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Have You Been Vaccinated?

Have You Been Vaccinated?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 63 31.3%
  • No!

    Votes: 43 21.4%
  • Soon!

    Votes: 15 7.5%
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    Votes: 66 32.8%
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    Votes: 14 7.0%

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    201

Microbeman

The Logical Gardener
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thanks, i appreciate it.

Just so you know I am not trying to suggest people get themselves infected to obtain immunity, nor am I anti-vaccine in typical fashion. I am examining data which provides information which assists me and others who have recovered from C19 infection to make informed decisions. For myself, I would likely limit myself to a single jab if anything at all. Everything I've read and heard from my physicians suggest a vaccine would not contribute to greater immunity nor further protect people I am in contact with.

GREATER SEVERITY OF NEGATIVE REACTIONS TO VACCINE BY PREVIOUSLY INFECTED INDIVIDUALS;

https://www.icmag.com/forum/talk-ab...and-the-vaccine-resistance/page2#post17930117

More evidence that recovery from covid may present a better immune response than vaccine?

A letter to the editor published in The New England Journal of Medicine argues that a single shot of one of the first two COVID-19 vaccines granted emergency use authorization (EUA) might be sufficient to provide immunity to individuals who have previously been infected by the virus. Mount Sinai Hospital–led authors say this could help stretch vaccine supplies if they remain limited. The first two COVID-19 vaccines—mRNA vaccines from Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna—received EUAs from the FDA in December 2020 and are recommended for two doses. A third product, an adenovirus vector vaccine, Janssen (Johnson & Johnson), got an EUA in February after this study was completed and requires only a single dose.

The study was previously published as a preprint on mdRxiv.

By not having to get the second dose of the mRNA vaccines, researchers point out that recovered COVID-19 patients also would be spared unnecessary side effects, which appear significantly more severe in people with some level of pre-existing immunity.

“We showed that the antibody response to the first vaccine dose in people with pre-existing immunity is equal to or even exceeds the response in uninfected people after the second dose,” explained coauthor Viviana Simon, MD, PhD, professor in the Departments of Microbiology and Medicine (Infectious Diseases) in the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. “For that reason, we believe that a single dose of vaccine is sufficient for people who have already been infected by SARS-CoV-2 to reach immunity.”

In their study of 109 individuals with and without previous SARS-CoV-2 immunity, researchers determined that the first group developed antibodies within days of the first dose of vaccine at a rate 10 to 20 times higher than those who were uninfected, and at a more than tenfold rate after the second dose.

“These findings suggest that a single dose of vaccine elicits a very rapid immune response in individuals who have tested positive for COVID-19,” pointed out coauthor Florian Krammer, PhD, of Mount Sinai. “In fact, that first dose immunologically resembles the booster (second) dose in people who have not been infected.”

Systemic reactions were tested after the first dose of vaccine in a second group of 231 individuals, 83 of whom had tested positive for COVID-19, and 148 who had not.

Researchers found that, while the vaccines were generally well tolerated, injection-site symptoms—including pain, swelling, and reddening of the skin—were identified in both sub-groups. For recipients with pre-existing immunity, however, side effects occurred with a significantly higher frequency, including fatigue, headache, chills, fever, and muscle or joint pain.


In fact, the authors suggest that the intensity of the response to the first dose in people previously infected looks quite similar to the response from those not previously infected after the second dose. Researchers post that the reason for the stronger response in both groups is because immune cells have learned how to recognize the spike protein of the virus—the antigen that forms the basis for vaccination. Response is more vigorous and leads to stronger reactions to the vaccine.

In fact, Dr. Simon suggests using a serological assay to detect antibodies that might exist to the spike protein. “If the screening process determines the presence of antibodies due to previous infection, then a second shot of the coronavirus vaccine may not be necessary for the individual,” she concludes. “And if that approach were to translate into public health policy, it could not only expand limited vaccine supplies, but control the more frequent and pronounced reactions to those vaccines experienced by COVID-19 survivors.”

https://www.uspharmacist.com/article...a-vaccine-dose

AND
https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...well-protected

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.29.21250653v1.full.pdf

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-96129-6

IMMUNITY LEVELS IN PREVIOUSLY INFECTED VS VACCINATED

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full

Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.

Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v3.full-text

Conclusions Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before.


Virus-specific B cells increased over time. People had more memory B cells six months after symptom onset than at one month afterwards. Although the number of these cells appeared to reach a plateau after a few months, levels didn’t decline over the period studied.


https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Levels of T cells for the virus also remained high after infection. Six months after symptom onset, 92% of participants had CD4+ T cells that recognized the virus. These cells help coordinate the immune response. About half the participants had CD8+ T cells, which kill cells that are infected by the virus.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z

Next, we showed that patients (n = 23) who recovered from SARS (the disease associated with SARS-CoV infection) possess long-lasting memory T cells that are reactive to the N protein of SARS-CoV 17 years after the outbreak of SARS in 2003; these T cells displayed robust cross-reactivity to the N protein of SARS-CoV-2.
 

Doctor M

Active member
Just so you know I am not trying to suggest people get themselves infected to obtain immunity, nor am I anti-vaccine in typical fashion. I am examining data which provides information which assists me and others who have recovered from C19 infection to make informed decisions. For myself, I would likely limit myself to a single jab if anything at all. Everything I've read and heard from my physicians suggest a vaccine would not contribute to greater immunity nor further protect people I am in contact with.

GREATER SEVERITY OF NEGATIVE REACTIONS TO VACCINE BY PREVIOUSLY INFECTED INDIVIDUALS;

https://www.icmag.com/forum/talk-ab...and-the-vaccine-resistance/page2#post17930117

More evidence that recovery from covid may present a better immune response than vaccine?

A letter to the editor published in The New England Journal of Medicine argues that a single shot of one of the first two COVID-19 vaccines granted emergency use authorization (EUA) might be sufficient to provide immunity to individuals who have previously been infected by the virus. Mount Sinai Hospital–led authors say this could help stretch vaccine supplies if they remain limited. The first two COVID-19 vaccines—mRNA vaccines from Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna—received EUAs from the FDA in December 2020 and are recommended for two doses. A third product, an adenovirus vector vaccine, Janssen (Johnson & Johnson), got an EUA in February after this study was completed and requires only a single dose.

The study was previously published as a preprint on mdRxiv.

By not having to get the second dose of the mRNA vaccines, researchers point out that recovered COVID-19 patients also would be spared unnecessary side effects, which appear significantly more severe in people with some level of pre-existing immunity.

“We showed that the antibody response to the first vaccine dose in people with pre-existing immunity is equal to or even exceeds the response in uninfected people after the second dose,” explained coauthor Viviana Simon, MD, PhD, professor in the Departments of Microbiology and Medicine (Infectious Diseases) in the Icahn School of Medicine at Mount Sinai. “For that reason, we believe that a single dose of vaccine is sufficient for people who have already been infected by SARS-CoV-2 to reach immunity.”

In their study of 109 individuals with and without previous SARS-CoV-2 immunity, researchers determined that the first group developed antibodies within days of the first dose of vaccine at a rate 10 to 20 times higher than those who were uninfected, and at a more than tenfold rate after the second dose.

“These findings suggest that a single dose of vaccine elicits a very rapid immune response in individuals who have tested positive for COVID-19,” pointed out coauthor Florian Krammer, PhD, of Mount Sinai. “In fact, that first dose immunologically resembles the booster (second) dose in people who have not been infected.”

Systemic reactions were tested after the first dose of vaccine in a second group of 231 individuals, 83 of whom had tested positive for COVID-19, and 148 who had not.

Researchers found that, while the vaccines were generally well tolerated, injection-site symptoms—including pain, swelling, and reddening of the skin—were identified in both sub-groups. For recipients with pre-existing immunity, however, side effects occurred with a significantly higher frequency, including fatigue, headache, chills, fever, and muscle or joint pain.


In fact, the authors suggest that the intensity of the response to the first dose in people previously infected looks quite similar to the response from those not previously infected after the second dose. Researchers post that the reason for the stronger response in both groups is because immune cells have learned how to recognize the spike protein of the virus—the antigen that forms the basis for vaccination. Response is more vigorous and leads to stronger reactions to the vaccine.

In fact, Dr. Simon suggests using a serological assay to detect antibodies that might exist to the spike protein. “If the screening process determines the presence of antibodies due to previous infection, then a second shot of the coronavirus vaccine may not be necessary for the individual,” she concludes. “And if that approach were to translate into public health policy, it could not only expand limited vaccine supplies, but control the more frequent and pronounced reactions to those vaccines experienced by COVID-19 survivors.”

https://www.uspharmacist.com/article...a-vaccine-dose

AND
https://www.healthline.com/health-ne...well-protected

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.01.29.21250653v1.full.pdf

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-96129-6

IMMUNITY LEVELS IN PREVIOUSLY INFECTED VS VACCINATED

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full

Results SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (P<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 naïve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-naïve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected.

Conclusions This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.01.21258176v3.full-text

Conclusions Individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from COVID-19 vaccination, and vaccines can be safely prioritized to those who have not been infected before.


Virus-specific B cells increased over time. People had more memory B cells six months after symptom onset than at one month afterwards. Although the number of these cells appeared to reach a plateau after a few months, levels didn’t decline over the period studied.


https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/lasting-immunity-found-after-recovery-covid-19

Levels of T cells for the virus also remained high after infection. Six months after symptom onset, 92% of participants had CD4+ T cells that recognized the virus. These cells help coordinate the immune response. About half the participants had CD8+ T cells, which kill cells that are infected by the virus.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z

Next, we showed that patients (n = 23) who recovered from SARS (the disease associated with SARS-CoV infection) possess long-lasting memory T cells that are reactive to the N protein of SARS-CoV 17 years after the outbreak of SARS in 2003; these T cells displayed robust cross-reactivity to the N protein of SARS-CoV-2.


I think you'll enjoy this my friend


​​​​​​https://twitter.com/i/status/1421551677526749188
 

Doctor M

Active member
Flu symptoms from the 3rd jab kicked in during the night, but not as bad as the 2nd jab, which had been pretty intense, and had lasted ~15-20 hours.

The symptoms from the 3rd jab include a sore arm, stuffy head-like flu symptoms, general feeling of malaise, and scratchy sensation in the eyes, which also feel slightly large for the eye-sockets, and possibly a very low-grade fever..

Still not as bad as the 2nd jab, as stated, but it was my understanding from friends in the Yukon Territory (who are several years older than I am) that the more intense reactions tend to be more brief in duration. They were (subjectively speaking) correct about that, the last time around. If it's born out as truth, then hypothetically, this go-round may last a bit longer.

In the mean-time, moringa tea and half of a sizable Texas pink grapefruit are what the Doctor (in this case, me) ordered. Don't ever let anyone tell you that Texas is a worthless place; they have the cultural hub of Austin going on, and they have decent grapefruit, depending on source.

White Pine needle tea
Vitamin D
Zinc
Quecertin
Sweet wormwood
 

Doctor M

Active member
FDA document admits “covid” PCR test was developed without isolated covid samples for test calibration, effectively admitting it’s testing something else


https://www.fda.gov/media/134922/do...



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“Herd Stupidity”: The Manufactured Covid Crisis, the Gene-based mRNA “Vaccine” and “The Pinnacles of Wealth and Power”
https://www.globalresearch.ca/deregu...crisis/5754648



Let's pump ozone in to classrooms....great fucking idea

​​​​​​https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-58382889.amp




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armedoldhippy

Well-known member
Veteran
interesting. looks good enough that someone should be trying to replicate their work, and do peer review of the study.
 

Doctor M

Active member
This racist old asshole needs to STFU

Noam Chomsky says the "right response" to The Unvaccinated is "to insist that they be isolated"

​​​​​​Chomsky is essentially calling for millions of black people to be segregated from the rest of society, since they're the ones most hesitant to take the vaccine.
 

Doctor M

Active member
Why are vaccine passports being introduced for large venues, while negative tests are being eliminated, when we're told vaccines don't fully stop the spread of the virus? No one has properly addressed this fundamentally stupid premise, yet government policy is based on it.



Pfizer Is Now Developing A Twice-Per-Day COVID Pill That Must Be Taken Alongside Vaccines

Pfizer is so confident the pill will be approved and likely mandated that it has started production before the end of clinical trials

The question is how much big Pharma poison are you willing to put in your body to stop a virus with a 99%+ survival rate?



​​​​​​Is this Science or a Cult? CDC Director Walensky Says “Hope” Is Behind Booster Shots, “Not Data”

​​​​​​“TODAY” show host Savannah Guthrie really laid into Walensky during a recent segment, calling on her to procure some kind of data to show that booster shots will help the current situation. As expected, Walensky could not come up with anything other than her own personal faith that more transhumanist chemicals are what people need to avoid testing “positive” for the so-called “delta variant.”

“So, there’s actually hope – we don’t have data yet,” Walensky openly admitted.

“We do know that the higher levels of protection certainly in the alpha variant resulted in less transmission and we have not yet seen the data, but we are hopeful that the booster will not only protect you, give you a higher level of protection, not just against the delta variant but against a broad range of variants. It might also decrease the level of virus that you have and make it less transmissible.”





​​​​​​BREAKING: Healthy Joe Rogan tested positive for Covid & is about to make authoritarians big mad with his quick recovery regimen....... Ivermectin




​​​​​​Interesting study here which finds that having had the virus means you're 13x as immune to Covid as if you're double jabbed, but haven't had it. You're less vulnerable; less dangerous, so why are antibody tests not valid? It's not science, it's political.

​​​​​​https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....24.21262415v1





TRIPLE VAXXED ISRAEL LARGEST COVID HOTSPOT ON EARTH

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Doctor M

Active member
interesting. looks good enough that someone should be trying to replicate their work, and do peer review of the study.

Bro do you have a shread of self awareness?

Funny how you and others here refer to Trump as Chump and his supporters as cult members. Then you run out and get Chump's rushed, untested, liability exempt, Covid shot and get all tribal/cultish about the whole issue.


So you have peer reviewed studies that were not funded by vaccine makers proving they work and are safe?

How about the REQUIRED long term studies showing they are safe? Oh that's right they are still ongoing. Thanks for taking part in the study with all the other lab rats who got jabbed.




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Chi13

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ICMag Donor
not sure whats up here, but 20 minutes has reported that only 1 in 10 health care workers are ready to take this vaccine, apparently the norm for flu vaccine is a third that take it. so im surprised at this low rate of acceptance, but maybe it will increase as the weeks pass. this data came from just as the 1st vaccine got certified for use here.
Is that in Switzerland gaius?
Not sure what the uptake here in Australia is but there was an article today that mentioned hundreds of paramedics in the State of Victoria were refusing to get vaccinated, but when you looked at the percentage it was "4.6 per cent of the total number of paramedics", meaning of course over 95 percent are getting it.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/austr...ine/ar-AAO2cKf

Btw, I am happily vaccinated now. Just had my second pfizer shot early this week. Apart from a sore arm for a few hours, not ill symptoms.
 

Chi13

Well-known member
ICMag Donor
White Pine needle tea
Vitamin D
Zinc
Quecertin
Sweet wormwood
It will just go away "like a miracle".

Not knocking general health advice like having adequate D, but this is a virus.

Are you sure you're a doctor, M? I have my doubts? :chin:
 

Doctor M

Active member
Don't forget "thoughts and prayers" :biggrin:

Don't forget to get your big pharma shot and all the required boosters and Pfizers new Covid pills in phase 2 of clinical trails which you'll need in addition to last months miracle vaccine. Take your Trump vaccine like a good little MSNBC educated American.
 

Chi13

Well-known member
ICMag Donor
Oh looky a strawman

Where?
It was just an observation of the irony of a username, Doctor M, giving out advice that isn't medical. We should all have adequate vitamin D, but the thread is about Coronavirus vaccination.
 
M

member 505892

Don't forget to get your big pharma shot and all the required boosters and Pfizers new Covid pills in phase 2 of clinical trails which you'll need in addition to last months miracle vaccine. Take your Trump vaccine like a good little MSNBC educated American.

I'm Australian.

Almost all of the respected, intelligent folks i see or hear from recommend a vaccine, even if there are some unknowns the benefits seem to far outweigh the risks.
I wasn't the first to sign up but i'm not going to pretend i know more than the brainiac's i look to for advice on such things.... so i'll likely be getting one or the other soon.

:wave:
 

entropical

Active member
Veteran
The symptoms from the 3rd jab include a sore arm, stuffy head-like flu symptoms, general feeling of malaise, and scratchy sensation in the eyes, which also feel slightly large for the eye-sockets, and possibly a very low-grade fever..

Still not as bad as the 2nd jab,
Sounds worse than bathsalts bro, like having the come down from a heroin binge without ever getting high.
 

moose eater

Well-known member
Sounds worse than bathsalts bro, like having the come down from a heroin binge without ever getting high.

Yeah, but the heroin binge sometimes ends with multiple days of feeling like shit, and it -still- won't minimize the symptoms of COVID-19. The symptoms from the vaccine usually only last between a half-day and 2-3 days.

Nor will the bath salts minimize symptoms of COVID, and there's probably at -least- as much uncertainty re. long-term effects of bath salts as there is about the mRNA vaccines.

I actually made myself get out and finish the porch stiles and railings on the shed after feeling a bit better for a while, but at the completion point of the job there was a very limited/subtle passing nausea again. Might've just needed some water at that point.
 

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