Have You Been Vaccinated?

[Amynamous]

Real life shows that it is evil like this real story.The medical establishment is in denial.What most people at the moment get is Pfizer.

Christianne's father (77) died shortly after his second vaccination: 'He was in excruciating pain'


A 77-year-old man from Arnhem has died hours after receiving a second covid vaccination. A connection has not yet been established. However, his daughter hopes that potentially severe side effects of the injections will be taken more seriously and that patients will not be left to their own devices.

By: Henri van Veen

Christianne Melgert tells about her father Chris who died in the early morning of May 19. The day before, he received his second shot with the BioNTech/Pfizer vaccine at the Papendal sports center near Arnhem. The side effects turned out to be severe, Melgert died.

A connection between the vaccination and the death of Chris Melgert from Arnhem has not been established. His children are waiting for the results of the autopsy on their father's body.


On April 13, the resident of Arnhem received his first vaccination. According to data from the RIVM, about 2.5 million people had had at least one shot with that vaccine. By the day of his second shot, some 5 million people had had at least one Pfizer shot.

Fewer deaths after second vaccination, Lareb reports

According to side effects center Lareb, 280 deaths have been reported so far following a vaccination with the vaccine Christianne's father received. The number of deaths after the second injection is considerably lower. 205 deaths were reported after the first vaccination with BioNtech/Pfizer and 75 after the second shot with that vaccine.
Lareb reports that in a large proportion of deaths, 'health problems are the most obvious explanation for the death'.
Christianne Melgert finds it difficult to swallow this explanation. "My father was a man who was healthy for his age (he was 77, ed.). He did have neck and back problems. He was known to have a neck hernia. I know that after a Pfizer shot you can get muscle pain and that fatigue is also a common complaint. You won't die from that."
'He's not a beeper'

Pretty soon after his second shot with the vaccine, on May 18, the Arnhemmer complained of unbearable pain. He did not want to bother his children with it and sought medical help himself in the evenings. At that time, Melgert couldn't get his doctor on the phone, because the general practitioner (HAP) is on duty in the evening, night and at weekends.After Melgert called 112, an ambulance showed up. The ambulance brother gave the man from Arnhem 5 milligrams of morphine and 2 paracetamol for the pain.
Christianne Melgert and her sister spoke to the paramedic, which was around 10:45 PM.Christianne: "He indicated that if the pain had not subsided within an hour, daddy should call the HAP. We also spoke to daddy on the phone and agreed that we would call him in an hour to see how things were going. necessary, because it is not a beeper."

My father started the discussion​

The pain did not subside.Melgert's daughter: "He couldn't take it anymore. The morphine didn't work and then he called the GP."
The HAP operator told Melgert that someone had to come and get him a prescription. "My father started the discussion," says Christianne Melgert. "He wanted a doctor or an ambulance and didn't want to call his daughters because that wouldn't be the solution."
Christianne Melgert, who lives in Emmerich, has requested the conversation that her father had with the HAP. It states that 'the patient moans a lot on the phone, but does not appear painful during the discussion. Feeling theatrical behavior'.
The conversation between Chris Melgert and the 911 operator, the first time he needed help, lasted almost 14 minutes and was at 9:45 pm. The ambulance was with him at about 10:15 p.m. Almost an hour and a half later, Melgert still called the GP post. That conversation lasted 20 minutes.
After that phone call, 77-year-old Melgert called Christianne's sister in Slijk-Ewijk in a panic. He said they (the doctor of the HAP, ed.) did not want to come." Christianne's sister later found their father lifeless on the couch. "They resuscitated my father for twenty minutes, but it was no longer useful."

Traumatic last moments

Those final moments were traumatic for Chris Melgert's children. Christianne: "During the conversation with 112 that my sister had, the operator asked her to check daddy's heartbeat. My sister had walked out because she couldn't handle it. Then the operator said if she couldn't reach the neighbors But it was already a quarter to one in the morning. Then don't ring the bell, then help has to come."
She says: "My sister has nightmares about finding my father on the couch and I can't get the images of the CPR out of my head."
Why is she ringing the bell? "Of course I don't know if my father would have been alive if they had admitted him. I won't get my father back with it, but I want more attention for possible serious side effects after the second vaccination with Pfizer. He had a blood pressure of 170 /110. Then you just take someone with you, right?!"

Director Roland Ekkelenkamp of the GPpost in Arnhem says that his organization would like to talk to Melgert's daughter."We cannot comment on this matter because of privacy," he says. "But we take this complaint very seriously and we have launched an investigation."

Dutch news

Everyone is different.
A few people are bound to have a bad reaction to some of these vaccines.
I am not aware of any medication, vaccine, treatment, etc that is 100% safe or totally free from adverse effects.
Children have dies from taking aspirin.
Adults have died from taking acetaminophen.
While I have no idea how many people have actually died from receiving the vaccine, i do know how many people have died from not receiving the vaccine. It’s well over three million worldwide.

 

[mexcurandero420]

Everyone is different.
A few people are bound to have a bad reaction to some of these vaccines.
I am not aware of any medication, vaccine, treatment, etc that is 100% safe or totally free from adverse effects.
Children have dies from taking aspirin.
Adults have died from taking acetaminophen.
While I have no idea how many people have actually died from receiving the vaccine, i do know how many people have died from not receiving the vaccine. It’s well over three million worldwide.

Side effects of aspirin & acetaminophen are known since they are on the market for a quite some time.These jabs are just released since a few months.Short trails of 2 months and then the total roll out to jab everyone is just evil and at the same time rejecting safe alternatives like Ivermectin or HCQ.

Sure every medicine and even food can have side effects, but that is not the point.Last year when somebody died, it was covid and not even looked to the perhaps underlying conditions the person might have.Nowadays when someone has side effects just after the jab or even dies, then oversudden they say its not the jab, while the jab was only examined in clinical trails for 2 months with a small amount of people.

Since phase III trail is still going on, we have to wait what the total death will be from the jabs.

If 3 million is accurate, is the question, but the Spanish flu was estimated of 50 million deaths, so we have a long way to go.

 

[Gry]

Real life shows that it is evil like this real story.The medical establishment is in denial.

Any death is a tragedy, no one is in denial, not a soul out there has ever said anything was perfect,
and everyone understands that under ideal conditions, things could have been better.
You do not lend yourself a great deal of credibility by posting the content of every kook out there.

 

[Chi13]

Wise Words By Dr Dolores Cahill, Professor In Immunology And Vaccines

Do you bother to check into who makes these claims before posting? Dolores Cahill has not much credibility.

Irish Professor Makes Unfounded Claims About Long-Term Effects of mRNA Vaccines
By Angelo Fichera
Posted on April 21, 2021

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The COVID-19 mRNA vaccines authorized for use were found to be safe and effective in clinical trials and real-world conditions. A professor in Ireland baselessly claims in a video circulating on social media that they are not, and that those who get the vaccines will die as a result within several years.

How were safe and effective vaccines developed so rapidly?

How do we know vaccines are safe?

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Full Story
The mRNA vaccines against COVID-19 represent a new vaccine platform, but their development rests on years’ worth of research, including clinical trials. And while the vaccines were developed quickly in response to the pandemic, they have been proven to be safe and effective not only in standard clinical trials but in real-world conditions.

The vaccines in question use modified messenger RNA to provide instructions for cells to make spike proteins that then trigger an immune response against the spike protein of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19. The cells quickly break down the mRNA.

But as the vaccines are deployed around the country, some have weaponized their novelty to spread misinformation and unfounded claims about their safety.

In one case, a video clip circulating online shows Dolores Cahill — a professor in Ireland who until recently was the chair of the right-wing Irish Freedom Party — baselessly claiming that COVID-19 mRNA vaccines will cause widespread deaths in the coming years.

Cahill specifically alleges that “anyone who’s over 70 who gets one of these mRNA vaccines will probably be — sadly die within about two to three years.”

“And I would say anyone who gets the mRNA injection, no matter what age you are, your life expectancy will be reduced to you know die, if you’re in your 30s, within five to 10 years,” continues Cahill, a professor at the medical school at the University College Dublin who has previously come under criticism for spreading misinformation about COVID-19.

There is no medical evidence for such claims.

In phase 3 trials, the two mRNA vaccines authorized in the U.S. — from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna — had an efficacy of 94% or higher, which means your approximate risk of getting sick is cut by 94% or more if you are fully vaccinated. A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study released in March found that, in real-world conditions, the two vaccines were 90% effective in preventing infections. (For more, see our SciCheck stories “A Guide to Pfizer/BioNTech’s COVID-19 Vaccine” and “A Guide to Moderna’s COVID-19 Vaccine.”)

The video clip of Cahill has been repeatedly posted and viewed by tens of thousands on platforms such as Instagram, Twitter and Telegram and is branded as coming from a group called the “World Freedom Alliance,” which Cahill helped found in November. In a video announcing the group’s formation, one member referred to COVID-19 as a “hoax”; Cahill said the group would “expose the truth of what’s going on” in order to protect freedoms.

The clip now spreading online is taken from a speaking event in Belfast in March. The full video shows Cahill making a host of other erroneous claims, including that the vaccines “contain nanoparticles and you can be tracked.” The nanoparticles (a unit of size) referenced are actually lipid nanoparticles, material that helps to protect and transport the mRNA to the cell; they are not part of a technology that can track people.

We’ll address some of Cahill’s unsubstantiated claims in the viral clip here.
Unfounded Claim of Future Deaths

It’s unclear what exactly is behind Cahill’s wild and baseless claim that the vaccines will cause all recipients to die within a matter of years. Our inquiries to Cahill went unanswered.

Meanwhile, Grant McFadden, director of the Biodesign Center for Immunotherapy, Vaccines, and Virotherapy at Arizona State University, told us in an email that “the safety record for the mRNA vaccines is excellent.”

McFadden said that while “we do not yet have long-term data in humans,” there “are no scientific reasons to predict complications in these new vaccines in the coming years.” He added that “common health practices mandate that this will be monitored carefully for years to come.”

In a different video uploaded earlier this year, Cahill also predicts widespread deaths specifically from the mRNA vaccines by misrepresenting old studies unrelated to the mRNA technology.

In one case, she cites a 2012 study dealing with vaccine candidates for SARS-CoV (the coronavirus behind the SARS outbreak of 2003).

“What happened in this study is that the animal models after [they] have been challenged got very sick and that some of them died,” Cahill says.

As we noted in a previous story, those vaccine candidates for SARS-CoV were not mRNA vaccines, as Cahill implies. And while the study found that the vaccine candidates being tested caused mice to develop eosinophilia — a high count of a type of white blood cells — when exposed to the live virus, the animals didn’t die, as our fact-checking colleagues at Reuters have explained.

Moreover, that phenomenon, in which a vaccine can lead to worse disease when confronted with a live virus, was not observed in the animal or human trials for the COVID-19 vaccines that received emergency use authorizations.

Cahill in the earlier video similarly references another vaccine trial against respiratory syncytial virus, or RSV. That trial, from the 1960s, also did not involve an mRNA vaccine, as she suggests.

“Most of the children who were given this RSV vaccine, which had the same issue, most of the children experienced severe disease with infection that led to a high frequency of hospitalizations — and two children out of 35 died,” she says. “And the conclusion from this was that the disease was enhanced by the prior vaccination.”

“What people need to know is that with these RNA vaccines is that after you’re vaccinated, for the rest of your life, you will have much higher death as the children did with this study because you were vaccinated,” she adds.

That case actually involved a formalin-inactivated vaccine candidate. Researchers did find that the design of the vaccine candidate resulted in poorly developed antibodies and that the immunized children who still caught RSV suffered worse symptoms than usual. Two children who were part of the trial died as a result of the enhanced disease; the trial stopped and no RSV vaccine has been approved.

But again, this type of phenomenon has not been seen with the COVID-19 vaccines granted emergency use authorization in the U.S.

“Neither COVID-19 disease nor the new COVID-19 vaccines have shown evidence of causing [antibody-dependent enhancement],” the Vaccine Education Center at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia reports. “People infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, have not been likely to develop ADE upon repeat exposure.”

Some scientists who noted the possibility of this issue occurring, as COVID-19 vaccine development was underway, have since said subsequent data helped to quell those concerns.

Dr. Peter Hotez, the dean of Baylor College of Medicine’s National School of Tropical Medicine, said in an email to us that he was among the scientists who flagged the need for researchers “to be on the lookout for immune enhancement” — including in testimony before the House in March 2020 — “based on our work on SARS 1 in rodent models last decade.”

“But as we and others started doing non human primate vaccine trials for SARS 2 it never materialized,” Hotez, also co-director of the Texas Children’s Hospital Center for Vaccine Development, said. “That’s why we do the science.”
Other Baseless Risk Claims

Many vaccine recipients experience pain at the site of injection, fatigue, muscle pain or headache, as we’ve explained. Data from the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna trials also show the side effects included joint pain, chills or fever.

A small number of people in the U.S. have had serious allergic reactions following receipt of the shots. That’s why the CDC advises that anyone who has previously experienced anaphylaxis or had any kind of immediate allergic reaction to any vaccine or injection be monitored for a half hour after getting the shot. (The FDA also recommends against vaccination for those who have had a serious allergic reaction to a previous dose of either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine or one of the ingredients of any of the authorized vaccines.)

In the video clip circulating online, though, Cahill suggests without evidence that recipients will go on to “probably have allergy, neuro-cognitive issues, and inflammation, and of course infertility is the major one.”

We’ve previously addressed the lack of evidence for the claim that the COVID-19 vaccines cause infertility. While clinical trials did not probe the issue, loss of fertility has not been reported among thousands of trial participants and it has not been confirmed as an adverse event among the millions who have been vaccinated.

And as for the other supposed long-term effects, Hotez said “there is zero evidence to support such claims.”

“Also there is not even a plausible mechanism, it’s just antivax gobbledygook,” he said.

While Cahill’s claims about supposed long-term effects of the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines aren’t rooted in evidence, there is support for the fact that COVID-19 itself can result in long-term health effects.

Hotez pointed out that some who contract COVID-19 suffer from what’s known as long-haul COVID and continue to report health issues well after being infected. Among such issues, researchers have found that some such patients continue to experience neurological or psychiatric conditions in the months following infection.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/s...ims-about-long-term-effects-of-mrna-vaccines/

 

[mexcurandero420]

Do you bother to check into who makes these claims before posting? Dolores Cahill has not much credibility.

Irish Professor Makes Unfounded Claims About Long-Term Effects of mRNA Vaccines
By Angelo Fichera
Posted on April 21, 2021

---

The COVID-19 mRNA vaccines authorized for use were found to be safe and effective in clinical trials and real-world conditions. A professor in Ireland baselessly claims in a video circulating on social media that they are not, and that those who get the vaccines will die as a result within several years.

How were safe and effective vaccines developed so rapidly?

How do we know vaccines are safe?

---

Full Story
The mRNA vaccines against COVID-19 represent a new vaccine platform, but their development rests on years’ worth of research, including clinical trials. And while the vaccines were developed quickly in response to the pandemic, they have been proven to be safe and effective not only in standard clinical trials but in real-world conditions.

The vaccines in question use modified messenger RNA to provide instructions for cells to make spike proteins that then trigger an immune response against the spike protein of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19. The cells quickly break down the mRNA.

But as the vaccines are deployed around the country, some have weaponized their novelty to spread misinformation and unfounded claims about their safety.

In one case, a video clip circulating online shows Dolores Cahill — a professor in Ireland who until recently was the chair of the right-wing Irish Freedom Party — baselessly claiming that COVID-19 mRNA vaccines will cause widespread deaths in the coming years.

Cahill specifically alleges that “anyone who’s over 70 who gets one of these mRNA vaccines will probably be — sadly die within about two to three years.”

“And I would say anyone who gets the mRNA injection, no matter what age you are, your life expectancy will be reduced to you know die, if you’re in your 30s, within five to 10 years,” continues Cahill, a professor at the medical school at the University College Dublin who has previously come under criticism for spreading misinformation about COVID-19.

There is no medical evidence for such claims.

In phase 3 trials, the two mRNA vaccines authorized in the U.S. — from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna — had an efficacy of 94% or higher, which means your approximate risk of getting sick is cut by 94% or more if you are fully vaccinated. A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study released in March found that, in real-world conditions, the two vaccines were 90% effective in preventing infections. (For more, see our SciCheck stories “A Guide to Pfizer/BioNTech’s COVID-19 Vaccine” and “A Guide to Moderna’s COVID-19 Vaccine.”)

The video clip of Cahill has been repeatedly posted and viewed by tens of thousands on platforms such as Instagram, Twitter and Telegram and is branded as coming from a group called the “World Freedom Alliance,” which Cahill helped found in November. In a video announcing the group’s formation, one member referred to COVID-19 as a “hoax”; Cahill said the group would “expose the truth of what’s going on” in order to protect freedoms.

The clip now spreading online is taken from a speaking event in Belfast in March. The full video shows Cahill making a host of other erroneous claims, including that the vaccines “contain nanoparticles and you can be tracked.” The nanoparticles (a unit of size) referenced are actually lipid nanoparticles, material that helps to protect and transport the mRNA to the cell; they are not part of a technology that can track people.

We’ll address some of Cahill’s unsubstantiated claims in the viral clip here.
Unfounded Claim of Future Deaths

It’s unclear what exactly is behind Cahill’s wild and baseless claim that the vaccines will cause all recipients to die within a matter of years. Our inquiries to Cahill went unanswered.

Meanwhile, Grant McFadden, director of the Biodesign Center for Immunotherapy, Vaccines, and Virotherapy at Arizona State University, told us in an email that “the safety record for the mRNA vaccines is excellent.”

McFadden said that while “we do not yet have long-term data in humans,” there “are no scientific reasons to predict complications in these new vaccines in the coming years.” He added that “common health practices mandate that this will be monitored carefully for years to come.”

In a different video uploaded earlier this year, Cahill also predicts widespread deaths specifically from the mRNA vaccines by misrepresenting old studies unrelated to the mRNA technology.

In one case, she cites a 2012 study dealing with vaccine candidates for SARS-CoV (the coronavirus behind the SARS outbreak of 2003).

“What happened in this study is that the animal models after [they] have been challenged got very sick and that some of them died,” Cahill says.

As we noted in a previous story, those vaccine candidates for SARS-CoV were not mRNA vaccines, as Cahill implies. And while the study found that the vaccine candidates being tested caused mice to develop eosinophilia — a high count of a type of white blood cells — when exposed to the live virus, the animals didn’t die, as our fact-checking colleagues at Reuters have explained.

Moreover, that phenomenon, in which a vaccine can lead to worse disease when confronted with a live virus, was not observed in the animal or human trials for the COVID-19 vaccines that received emergency use authorizations.

Cahill in the earlier video similarly references another vaccine trial against respiratory syncytial virus, or RSV. That trial, from the 1960s, also did not involve an mRNA vaccine, as she suggests.

“Most of the children who were given this RSV vaccine, which had the same issue, most of the children experienced severe disease with infection that led to a high frequency of hospitalizations — and two children out of 35 died,” she says. “And the conclusion from this was that the disease was enhanced by the prior vaccination.”

“What people need to know is that with these RNA vaccines is that after you’re vaccinated, for the rest of your life, you will have much higher death as the children did with this study because you were vaccinated,” she adds.

That case actually involved a formalin-inactivated vaccine candidate. Researchers did find that the design of the vaccine candidate resulted in poorly developed antibodies and that the immunized children who still caught RSV suffered worse symptoms than usual. Two children who were part of the trial died as a result of the enhanced disease; the trial stopped and no RSV vaccine has been approved.

But again, this type of phenomenon has not been seen with the COVID-19 vaccines granted emergency use authorization in the U.S.

“Neither COVID-19 disease nor the new COVID-19 vaccines have shown evidence of causing [antibody-dependent enhancement],” the Vaccine Education Center at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia reports. “People infected with SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, have not been likely to develop ADE upon repeat exposure.”

Some scientists who noted the possibility of this issue occurring, as COVID-19 vaccine development was underway, have since said subsequent data helped to quell those concerns.

Dr. Peter Hotez, the dean of Baylor College of Medicine’s National School of Tropical Medicine, said in an email to us that he was among the scientists who flagged the need for researchers “to be on the lookout for immune enhancement” — including in testimony before the House in March 2020 — “based on our work on SARS 1 in rodent models last decade.”

“But as we and others started doing non human primate vaccine trials for SARS 2 it never materialized,” Hotez, also co-director of the Texas Children’s Hospital Center for Vaccine Development, said. “That’s why we do the science.”
Other Baseless Risk Claims

Many vaccine recipients experience pain at the site of injection, fatigue, muscle pain or headache, as we’ve explained. Data from the Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna trials also show the side effects included joint pain, chills or fever.

A small number of people in the U.S. have had serious allergic reactions following receipt of the shots. That’s why the CDC advises that anyone who has previously experienced anaphylaxis or had any kind of immediate allergic reaction to any vaccine or injection be monitored for a half hour after getting the shot. (The FDA also recommends against vaccination for those who have had a serious allergic reaction to a previous dose of either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine or one of the ingredients of any of the authorized vaccines.)

In the video clip circulating online, though, Cahill suggests without evidence that recipients will go on to “probably have allergy, neuro-cognitive issues, and inflammation, and of course infertility is the major one.”

We’ve previously addressed the lack of evidence for the claim that the COVID-19 vaccines cause infertility. While clinical trials did not probe the issue, loss of fertility has not been reported among thousands of trial participants and it has not been confirmed as an adverse event among the millions who have been vaccinated.

And as for the other supposed long-term effects, Hotez said “there is zero evidence to support such claims.”

“Also there is not even a plausible mechanism, it’s just antivax gobbledygook,” he said.

While Cahill’s claims about supposed long-term effects of the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines aren’t rooted in evidence, there is support for the fact that COVID-19 itself can result in long-term health effects.

Hotez pointed out that some who contract COVID-19 suffer from what’s known as long-haul COVID and continue to report health issues well after being infected. Among such issues, researchers have found that some such patients continue to experience neurological or psychiatric conditions in the months following infection.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/04/s...ims-about-long-term-effects-of-mrna-vaccines/

You have to watch the interview of the Canadian professor Byram Bridle who was shocked after the new research from Japan showed that the spike protein is traveling and it is a toxin.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/v...mistake-says-spike-protein-is-dangerous-toxin

The clinical trials from last year for the short term safety didnt show any blood cloths problem or rare heart disease among young adolescents with those mRNA vaccines, that came after.What else we might expect is still underinvestigation, because still a lot of it is not known.According to the cdc the jabs loose the efficacy after 6 months, so by then you will need another jab.Natural infection which is better to catch in the summer than winter because of low vitamin D levels in the winter, will protect for a much longer period than the jabs.

 

[mowood3479]

The claim that either of the mRNA vaccines actually “changes your DNA” have been disproved.
Also, the mortality rate of Covid19 is closer to 2% than 0.03%. For comparison purposes, influenza has a mortality rate of 0.2%.
When people spout obvious known bullshit, they have zero credibility.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5935243/

The overall mortality rate went from 726 per 100,000 (in 2019) to 815 per 100,000 (in 2020) per the cdc
so about 90 more people per 100k died this year vs 2019..
The vast majority of those deaths were people over 75 years old

To speak about covid mortality rate without discussing age stratification is imo very misleading...

ages 0-40 years old in the USA had 26,951 deaths... (and the vast majority of these aged folks had one or more serious co morbidity issues.)

this is why you don’t want ur government making risk assessments for you personally or even collectively

if ur older than 75 and have underlying health issues then ur risk of dying via covid is much higher than 2%..
but if ur under 40 (or even 50) and in good health u have a better chance of being killed in a car crash or of a heart attack...

under 18 and in good health . u have nearly the same odds as u would of dying via lightening strike...
like you said in the other thread,, this is a complex issue and I think it’s beneficial if we are going to talk mortality risk to do a real assessment....
lumping a healthy 18 year old in with a 85 year old with cancer and copd does a disservice to both....

Imo telling a healthy teenager they need a vaccine to protect their own health is a weak argument... especially when the long term effects of these vaccines is completely UNKNOWN as the first human test was less than 8 months ago! (And one of the first test subjects has already died via stroke (and clotting issues and heart lining inflammation seems to be a known side effect in a very small percentage of people

And if The vaccine is 100% safe and effective one could take the shot in a year or two.. (considering my own risk for example) the risk of death if I catch Covid is somewhere in the 0.17% range or less ...what exactly is the rush?
99.93% of the time someone of my age recovers from covid...
For a younger person in good health the mortality risk is significantly less than that...

if the argument is for young people to get a covid vaccine for the sake of the elderly and infirm (health of others) than that should be the argument.
does a healthy 18 year old have a duty to take a vaccine with unknown long term effects in order to reduce the already minimal chance that older vaccinated persons may catch covid from them?
imo no they have zero obligations to do so..(but I think one could fairly argue otherwise....)
but to make the argument that it’s needed for their own health doesn’t hold up to basic scrutiny.
I haven’t heard many media people make the argument for taking vaccines not for their own health but for the greater good...
this is the only argument that holds any sway for me... but even that seems to have some logical flaws in it
thus im still waiting on long term data..
My guinea pigging days for the pharma industry are over..

 

[Amynamous]

The overall mortality rate went from 726 per 100,000 (in 2019) to 815 per 100,000 (in 2020) per the cdc
so about 90 more people per 100k died this year vs 2019..
The vast majority of those deaths were people over 75 years old

To speak about covid mortality rate without discussing age stratification is imo very misleading...

ages 0-40 years old in the USA had 26,951 deaths... (and the vast majority of these aged folks had one or more serious co morbidity issues.)

this is why you don’t want ur government making risk assessments for you personally or even collectively

if ur older than 75 and have underlying health issues then ur risk of dying via covid is much higher than 2%..
but if ur under 40 (or even 50) and in good health u have a better chance of being killed in a car crash or of a heart attack...

under 18 and in good health . u have nearly the same odds as u would of dying via lightening strike...
like you said in the other thread,, this is a complex issue and I think it’s beneficial if we are going to talk mortality risk to do a real assessment....
lumping a healthy 18 year old in with a 85 year old with cancer and copd does a disservice to both....

Imo telling a healthy teenager they need a vaccine to protect their own health is a weak argument... especially when the long term effects of these vaccines is completely UNKNOWN as the first human test was less than 8 months ago! (And one of the first test subjects has already died via stroke (and clotting issues and heart lining inflammation seems to be a known side effect in a very small percentage of people

And if The vaccine is 100% safe and effective I could just take the shot in a year or two.. considering my risk of death if I catch Covid is somewhere in the 0.17% range or less ...what exactly is the rush?
99.93% of the time someone of my age recovers from covid...
For a younger person in good health the mortality risk is significantly less than that...

if the argument is for young people to get a covid vaccine for the sake of the elderly and infirm (health of others) than that should be the argument.
does a healthy 18 year old have a duty to take a vaccine with unknown long term effects in order to reduce the already minimal chance that older vaccinated persons may catch covid from them?
imo no they have zero obligations to do so..but I think one could fairly argue otherwise....
but to make the argument that it’s needed for their own health doesn’t hold up to basic scrutiny.

Thank you for your thoughtful and rational response.
I have always understood that the purpose of vaccinations is to keep the public safe. Vaccines tend to protect the people around you as much or more than they protect the individual receiving them. When we do the annual flu vaccinations at work, it’s the public health effect that we strive for. The efficacy of flu vaccines is much lower than the efficacy of the covid vaccines and yet the public health protection from flu vaccinations has been demonstrated.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/effectiveness-studies.htm


Here’s a link for weekly covid numbers in the US.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

The seven day moving average for new infections is 21,000
The seven day moving average for hospitalizations is 3100
The seven day moving average for covid deaths is over 400.
While the numbers have fallen dramatically from the peak, these current numbers indicate the virus is still raging through half the country....the unvaccinated half.
Some people focus only on the mortality rate, and ignore the serious health issues that can accompany an infection.
While I haven’t seen any specific tracking on how these long term effects vs age/comorbidities, stack up, I have read enough anecdotal stories that lots of people in their 30’, 40’s and 50’s seem to be having long term problems after “surviving” an infection.
I suppose every individual must make the decision for themself as to whether or not to get vaccinated.
For me, the decision was an easy one. The risks accompanying vaccination are minuscule compared to the risks of infection.

 

[mexcurandero420]

Are anti-vaxxers right? Epidemiologist Bijl 'wait a while with that jab'

The Netherlands is being vaccinated at a rapid pace, just wait a little while and then everyone who wants it will have at least one shot of vaccine injected into their bloodstream. Anyone who for whatever reason does not want that is immediately dismissed as a wappie, but is that justified?


Dick Bijl, former editor-in-chief of the Medicines Bulletin and now specialized as an epidemiologist, does not think so. He says on the PowNed podcast UP UP! with Rick van Velthuysen and Marianne Zwagerman that he cannot decide for you, but that he himself "definitely wait a while" before getting vaccinated until the long-term effects are clearer.
But why? Everyone sees that hospital admissions are falling now that everyone is having their injections? That is certainly true, he says, but you should not forget that this can also be due to the natural course of the virus. And those stories about effectiveness are actually misleading: "A more important measure: how many people do you have to vaccinate to prevent 1 disease? That number is at least 100 people. That is a completely different story than the director of Pfizer tells."

Long-term effects unclear
The vaccines currently on the market have actually been insufficiently tested for serious side effects. In particular, the long-term effects are unclear. "People who are just healthy are in fact hardly at risk if they are younger than 60-70 years and there are unpleasant sides to those vaccines. The government must make clear how great the risk of serious side effects is, but insufficient research has been done. "
Do we have to wait a little longer with that shot? "I am not going to decide for the whole of the Netherlands, but personally I will wait. I also have the idea that the virus is leaving the country, but that remains to be seen."

 

[Amynamous]

You have to watch the interview of the Canadian professor Byram Bridle who was shocked after the new research from Japan showed that the spike protein is traveling and it is a toxin.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/v...mistake-says-spike-protein-is-dangerous-toxin

The clinical trials from last year for the short term safety didnt show any blood cloths problem or rare heart disease among young adolescents with those mRNA vaccines, that came after.What else we might expect is still underinvestigation, because still a lot of it is not known.According to the cdc the jabs loose the efficacy after 6 months, so by then you will need another jab.Natural infection which is better to catch in the summer than winter because of low vitamin D levels in the winter, will protect for a much longer period than the jabs.

FYI, a person with a symptomatic infection is producing those spike proteins in mass quantities that pour out of cells like a raging river after days of heavy rain.
The spike proteins that are derived from mRNA flow out like a minor drip from a leaky faucet.
No one knows how long the mRNA vaccines are good for. Any official estimates regarding the length of efficacy are hedged with qualifiers, because this is completely new ground. The same could be said of “natural” infection. If there is any immunity from a “natural” infection, no one knows how long it would provide protection. But the point of the vaccine is to protect from a “natural” infection.
But if you believe in the power of “natural” infection immunity, i would suggest you go down to your local hospital and hang out in their covid ICU.
Your dreams of natural immunity could become true!

 

[mexcurandero420]

Lies, Lie and more lies about vaccine faux news......
Shoot,(no pun intended) you can sign up for a lottery giving away rifles and shotguns in WV if you get vaccinated. You can have a beer with Biden, er Budweiser will foot the beer tab for you. I think many states are gift cards for food. WIN/WIN and NO it doesn't' alter DNA. Geeze. Spoken true by Amynamous, The claim that either of the mRNA vaccines actually “changes your DNA” have been disproved time and time again!

Yep has dsapproved by scientists funded by the Bill & divorced Melinda Gates Foundation.Wow debunked..Like the Dutch epidemiologist said we don't even know what the long term effects are at the moment and yet most blind people think it's safe,.because the scientists on the TV saying it.

 

[flylowgethigh]

Foochie is going down and being kicked to the curb by his Bilderberg WEF handlers, because his funding of the chicoms to develop WuFlu is out in emails. gates too. Notice they have both fallen out of favor?

Meanwhile, the recipe for this "vaccine" sounds like something the hag would have made for her "spirit cooking" activities. Here it is:

https://odysee.com/@EJOK:c/WIN_20210603_13_35_57_Pro:7

 

[Amynamous]

Foochie is going down and being kicked to the curb by his Bilderberg WEF handlers, because his funding of the chicoms to develop WuFlu is out in emails. gates too. Notice they have both fallen out of favor?

Meanwhile, the recipe for this "vaccine" sounds like something the hag would have made for her "spirit cooking" activities. Here it is:

https://odysee.com/@EJOK:c/WIN_20210603_13_35_57_Pro:7

Sounds like LOSER45 was responsible for funding covid19’s development.
Let’s talk about that too!
As long as we’re slinging shit, lets sling it everywhere.

 

[CosmicGiggle]

..........

Meanwhile, the recipe for this "vaccine" sounds like something the hag would have made for her "spirit cooking" activities. Here it is:

...........

lol, couldn't help but notice that, among other things, the ingredients included human 'Tears'.

..... how kind of them

 

[flylowgethigh]

Free joints for jabs at a PH pot store.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...sary-offering-free-joint-edible-vaccine-shot/

 

[nepalnt21]

neglecting to get the vaccine in a pandemic because of the extremely low likelihood of extreme bad effects... is like declining a bullet proof vest in a war zone because the plastic in it is an endocrine disruptor.

 

[Doctor M]

 

[mowood3479]

neglecting to get the vaccine in a pandemic because of the extremely low likelihood of extreme bad effects... is like declining a bullet proof vest in a war zone because the plastic in it is an endocrine disruptor.

No I don’t think it’s like that at all...

bullet proof vests are made of Kevlar and or ceramic plates
and for a healthy young person there risk of death via Covid is less than there risk of dying via lightening strike...
so imo it’s kinda like refusing a bulletproof vest to take a walk in Santa Monica

(I’m gonna workshop a better one from ur perspective though)

how about this, neglecting to get the vaccine in a pandemic is like refusing to put ur family in the local bomb shelter during air strikes on ur city because ur afraid of enclosed spaces (claustrophobic).

that way it highlights the individuals (misplaced) fear and also who bears the brunt of the risk (older family)...


but from my perspective idk that there is any good way to tell whether vaccine fears are misplaced or properly placed....

 

[Amynamous]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html


The seven day moving average rate for new US hospital admissions for covid19 is over 3000 per day.
The seven day moving average rate for US covid deaths is between 300-400 per day.
In the past couple of months, there has been a big increase in covid hospital/ICU admissions among teenagers.
They all had one thing in common....they were not fully vaccinated.

The pandemic is still going strong in the US, and it’s circulating within certain groups of unvaccinated people who socialize together without taking precautions.

 

[Doctor M]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...iew/index.html


The seven day moving average rate for new US hospital admissions for covid19 is over 3000 per day.
The seven day moving average rate for US covid deaths is between 300-400 per day.
In the past couple of months, there has been a big increase in covid hospital/ICU admissions among teenagers.
They all had one thing in common....they were not fully vaccinated.

The pandemic is still going strong in the US, and it’s circulating within certain groups of unvaccinated people who socialize together without taking precautions.

Heavily invested in the lies I see. The CDC reporting does not distinguish between "breakthrough" infections and false positive PCR tests.

​​​​​​Nine members of MLB’s Yankees who are vaccinated have tested positive for Covid with “breakthrough” infections.

​​​​​​https://www.nbcnews.com/news/sports/...covid-n1267552

The CDC is a vaccine company https://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h2362.full

The FDA was publicly funded prior to 1992, by fiscal year 2017, three-fourths (75%) of the FDA’s annual budget increase came from user fees, with the pharmaceu­tical industry in essence paying FDA regulators’ salaries.

 

[Doctor M]