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harvesting questions
- Thread starter lookimrory
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Hi all 
Not a scientist and wouldn’t profess to be. Have however studied plant and soil science on several occasions.
In theory (practise is always different) it is NOT possible to fully flush soil substrates unless they are purely calcareous (descending from chalk/limestone). In which case a lot of nutrients can easily be leached.
The negatively charged surfaces of soil particles (clay soils and organic matter) hold positively charged plant foods, which are then made available to root nodes under optimum hydromorphic conditions (moist n wet soil).
Whilst nutrients can be leached by force with heavy water applications, the water does NOT dislodge ALL the positively charged food-stuffs from the soil particles. As we understand it.
*Wetting agents and/or chemicals applications aren't my thing,,, (lecturer was also ecolgically minded),,, so I can't comment on this
but I suspect this drops the charge on the foodstuff ?? anyone??
Most commercial/horti soils/compost have a 6month planted life.
Most pre-mixed cannabis soils/compost around 3months planted life.
After which available nutrients have been used.
ALL of the above gives reason why we PERSONALLY choose to monitor the amounts of ORGANIC nutrients under our plants before slowly leaching the soil during the final stages of bloom (2-3weeks) with normal water applications.
All the best
Peace n Bloom
DocLeaf
Not a scientist and wouldn’t profess to be. Have however studied plant and soil science on several occasions.
In theory (practise is always different) it is NOT possible to fully flush soil substrates unless they are purely calcareous (descending from chalk/limestone). In which case a lot of nutrients can easily be leached.
The negatively charged surfaces of soil particles (clay soils and organic matter) hold positively charged plant foods, which are then made available to root nodes under optimum hydromorphic conditions (moist n wet soil).
Whilst nutrients can be leached by force with heavy water applications, the water does NOT dislodge ALL the positively charged food-stuffs from the soil particles. As we understand it.
*Wetting agents and/or chemicals applications aren't my thing,,, (lecturer was also ecolgically minded),,, so I can't comment on this
but I suspect this drops the charge on the foodstuff ?? anyone??Most commercial/horti soils/compost have a 6month planted life.
Most pre-mixed cannabis soils/compost around 3months planted life.
After which available nutrients have been used.
ALL of the above gives reason why we PERSONALLY choose to monitor the amounts of ORGANIC nutrients under our plants before slowly leaching the soil during the final stages of bloom (2-3weeks) with normal water applications.
All the best
Peace n Bloom
DocLeaf
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organic
in a chemical environment, things are different.
in a chemical environment, things are different.
DocLeaf said:cool Cheeba
thank you very much...I n I did not want (or feel a need) to start quoting the pro's... it was more fun thinking I was an idiot "spreading false information" ... lol
peace n bloom to you
Doc(dizzle)Leaf ...hehe
you were spreading false information by forgetting to say that flushing 3 weeks before harvest only applies in organic medium.
like i said, if i was growing chemicals and i took your advice...
you've got problems! read DJ Shorts quote above... and PLEASE don't tell me he is spreading false info. also... hehe
Please remember this isn't OG. wipe ya feet (and ya mouth) at the door...
...stop it now my stomach hurts from giggling so much!
thanks for bringing a smile to my face
peace n bloom dL
Please remember this isn't OG. wipe ya feet (and ya mouth) at the door...
...stop it now my stomach hurts from giggling so much!
thanks for bringing a smile to my face
peace n bloom dL
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so.. if DJ Short is right, then why do so many people use bloom formulas for the last few days of flower i.e General Hydroponics Ripen..? why do companies who manufacture nutrients specifically for cannabis endorse them?
let's try to stick to the topic at hand instead of trying to get personal, etc.. it's getting a bit boring!!
thanks DL
let's try to stick to the topic at hand instead of trying to get personal, etc.. it's getting a bit boring!!
thanks DL
highonthechroni said:so.. if DJ Short is right, then why do so many people use bloom formulas for the last few days of flower i.e General Hydroponics Ripen..? why do companies who manufacture nutrients specifically for cannabis endorse them? thanks DL
because the pimps at the shop know that pollocos will buy the stuff!
they sell lots of things at the shop... with most of them the label cost more than the ingredients... which are freely available in good soil mixes anyhow...
The Ripen you rave about contains trace elements dude! try spitting in ya res. after a heavy meal... lol
The pimps have yo hydro-growers by the balls...
peace dLeaf
social disclaimer: nothing against the shop-pimps... most are good folk
logical disclaimer: I don't understand the "ins and outs" of hydro!
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..back to the whole organics thing. like i said for the tenth time, we're talking about chemical nutrients. no ''good soil mixes'', bugger off with that crap now please. you really think they don't work? i guess you say that cause you don't ever use them. i've used it several times now, including many of my friends (in real life).. the growth in the last 10 days is truely amazing. my buds have stretched up to 3cm, can up some pics if you don't believe me!
thank you GH for creating a truely awesome product for the last 10 days of flower. the results are great!!
thank you GH for creating a truely awesome product for the last 10 days of flower. the results are great!!
Posted by Cheeba 
DJ Short's book "Cultivating Exceptional Cannabis"
Quote:
"Perhaps the simplest but most important principle for feeding is knowing not to feed during the last two to three weeks of the bud cycle prior to harvest. This applies to hydroponics systems as well as organic gardens. During this time NO additives other than pure water should be given to the plant. This is when the bulk of the final "useable" part of the plant is produced. There are over 400 separate chemicals associated with cannabis, and these are produced during the final bud building stage. To purge unwated impurities from the plant, give them only water for the last two to three weeks."
^^^ Please Read Again.
YOU are wrong! Please let it drop! It's not constructive... and I'm not here to trade flames with ANYONE!
Thanks DL
DJ Short's book "Cultivating Exceptional Cannabis"
Quote:
"Perhaps the simplest but most important principle for feeding is knowing not to feed during the last two to three weeks of the bud cycle prior to harvest. This applies to hydroponics systems as well as organic gardens. During this time NO additives other than pure water should be given to the plant. This is when the bulk of the final "useable" part of the plant is produced. There are over 400 separate chemicals associated with cannabis, and these are produced during the final bud building stage. To purge unwated impurities from the plant, give them only water for the last two to three weeks."
^^^ Please Read Again.
YOU are wrong! Please let it drop! It's not constructive... and I'm not here to trade flames with ANYONE!
Thanks DL
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please stop putting words in my mouth because all your accusations are wrong and unfounded. i'm not trying to "bait" you or "flame" you bla bla fish paste.
like i said, please stick to the topic at hand instead of diverging into other little childish debates. stick to the topic at hand, and keep it constructive. i say again, please don't go off road again.
are you saying that nutrient manufacturers produce ripening/forcing solutions just to earn a quick buck?
like i said, please stick to the topic at hand instead of diverging into other little childish debates. stick to the topic at hand, and keep it constructive. i say again, please don't go off road again.
are you saying that nutrient manufacturers produce ripening/forcing solutions just to earn a quick buck?
i'll take that as a yes - you think that nutrient manufacturers such as General Hydroponics produce ripening products (i.e GH Ripen) to make a quick buck.. you think that nutrient manufacturers who design nutes specifically for cannabis are hoodwinking us with their late flowering products.. which in turn means that in your unfounded opinion, they hardly work.
wow, a lot of peeps are gonna be pissed that they wasted money!! lol *giggles*
enjoy your day, enjoy the way you think and enjoy your method of growing!!
P.S please do not spread false information that could possibly ruin someones crop, i.e please mention that people must start flushing 2 - 3 weeks before harvest only when using organic nutrients.
thanks, mate!!
wow, a lot of peeps are gonna be pissed that they wasted money!! lol *giggles*
enjoy your day, enjoy the way you think and enjoy your method of growing!!
P.S please do not spread false information that could possibly ruin someones crop, i.e please mention that people must start flushing 2 - 3 weeks before harvest only when using organic nutrients.
thanks, mate!!
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Einsteinguy
Member
highonthechroni - You are confused my friend...
Yes Nutrient manufacturers are scammers. I'm sure you can buy any and all ingredients from standard gardening supply like nursery or online.
People have been gardening forever. There is no super secret formula.
If you have to go to hydro store you should admit I want to pay 3 to 10 times more for something I could get at Nursery.
Flushing at the end is more important for chem. growers than for 100 % organic growers.
I found flushing in hydro is Mandatory... Some people continue to run light organic nutes. Some people run Plain water. Running chems to the end is a sure way to give you crap tasting smoke.
I personal flush and change res at least Once a month. I flush at end then apply light organic only nutes.
If you ever grew a tomatoes in the garden. Just try to find one in the supermarket with that taste.
Think of the chem fert manufacturers as working for Food for consumption or landscaping. Taste is not the main goal.
And one more thing no gardening book I have ever read says to put anything but plain water on plants last weeks of harvest.
Just some Food for thought.
Peace
Einstein
Yes Nutrient manufacturers are scammers. I'm sure you can buy any and all ingredients from standard gardening supply like nursery or online.
People have been gardening forever. There is no super secret formula.
If you have to go to hydro store you should admit I want to pay 3 to 10 times more for something I could get at Nursery.
Flushing at the end is more important for chem. growers than for 100 % organic growers.
I found flushing in hydro is Mandatory... Some people continue to run light organic nutes. Some people run Plain water. Running chems to the end is a sure way to give you crap tasting smoke.
I personal flush and change res at least Once a month. I flush at end then apply light organic only nutes.
If you ever grew a tomatoes in the garden. Just try to find one in the supermarket with that taste.
Think of the chem fert manufacturers as working for Food for consumption or landscaping. Taste is not the main goal.
And one more thing no gardening book I have ever read says to put anything but plain water on plants last weeks of harvest.
Just some Food for thought.
Peace
Einstein
lookimrory
Member
well you know what? this thread was started by me and it doesnt even matter because my plant was stolen 2 days after i heavy fertilized it...so the guys that busted my door in hopefully get a shitload of chemicals in them and cry themselves to sleep using their tears as lubricant to jerk off to the girlfriend they never had....
sorry im still pretty upset about it
sorry im still pretty upset about it
bad luck rory
lookimrory
Member
its okay i deserved it i broke growers rule #1
DON'T TELL ANYBODY
i learned my lesson...outdoor grows here we come!
DON'T TELL ANYBODY
i learned my lesson...outdoor grows here we come!
Lonewolfy
New member
I can't even imagine someone breaking into my place to jack my plants, it must be hard to think that you can't trust anyone but yourself.. but then again you told someone, so can you really trust yourself with the information you have?
What are you doing about finding out who took your plants and confronting them? I for one will not let some steal from me... especially my precious. Look at it this way you obviously can go back and growing now becuase of this person(atleast for now), so take down your grow equipment store it somewhere safe and go get that mother fucker back twice as hard for it hurting you to have something taken from you that was yours, and as bad as it hurts to know that you can't grow until you move becuase of this guy.
What are you doing about finding out who took your plants and confronting them? I for one will not let some steal from me... especially my precious. Look at it this way you obviously can go back and growing now becuase of this person(atleast for now), so take down your grow equipment store it somewhere safe and go get that mother fucker back twice as hard for it hurting you to have something taken from you that was yours, and as bad as it hurts to know that you can't grow until you move becuase of this guy.
