Competition GROW CONTEST WINNER: Noreason gardens

[noreason]

I was talking about organic and supersoil with a bunch of people in the last period and I got good advices from you all guys, so thanks to all and thanks to you explosiv for the many input you gave me pointing on the right way.


So I ended with an hybrid recipe basing the main nutrients supply to worm casting and a guano source, but not from birds or bats, it's from some sort of worms fed with cereals. Along many other organic and mineral products to create a (supposed) rich soil without the need to fertilize it again.



Let it to decompose a couple of months at room temp keeping it moist and then I used it to fill 70% of plant's pot.

I used 7liters pot for a total of 11 pots for a single 660W HPS (400V).
Now they are few days from the switch to bloom and I can only say they're fine. I can see a really healthy green and some sort of light reflection from the leaves, and I guess it's due to the bigger content of waxes covering the leaf. It means almost nothing at now and I don't know exactly what to expect, it's just a first experiment where most probably something will go wrong and need to be correct for the next time, but maybe there is a little chance everything will go as it should go and I can try the same clones grown hydro and supersoil and try to understand the differences.


Some pictures and at the next update!

...and an old mom waiting to be thrown away

 

[noreason]

Transplanting rooted cuttings, in this case couple of GreenPoison and couple of Sherbet x PlatinumCookies.

Vegging mix

Some mother plants

 

[noreason]

Karma's HeadStash at 46 days 12/12. It's not one of my favorite mainly because hermie issue and not so intense taste but it has a great amount of thick glands.

 

[noreason]

GG#4 at 46 days too. Like the smell and flower shape but overall also gg4 is not one of my favorites. On the hermie side I only saw rare male flowers on the upper part of the buds in the last phase (50+ days).

 

[noreason]

This is one of my favorite because its unique smell, mostly flowery, but it's a difficult plant to grow. It's a NewZealand Haze and it goes for 11 weeks (here at 46 days). No intersexual traits at all until now.

From the left: NZH - GG#4 - HS

 

[PaulieWaulie]

Nice update, always a nice treat when you post, especially when you do you realize how long its been since the last one, which I missed as well so almost the whole summer for me!
Nice to see you giving a shot to organic soil, how did those turn out? You did the GG4 justice! What is it you don't like about her?

 

[noreason]

Nice update, always a nice treat when you post, especially when you do you realize how long its been since the last one, which I missed as well so almost the whole summer for me!
Nice to see you giving a shot to organic soil, how did those turn out? You did the GG4 justice! What is it you don't like about her?

Yo Pauli always thanks for the kind words
Supersoil is going good, however I found some issue when watering (need to do it very slowly or from the bottom) to avoid water go directly down and exit from the bottom. Next time I'll add more coco to the mix.
On the other side, most of plants are showing a lack of N, yellowing leaves too early in the flowering, so I added some bio flores from canna and next time I'll increase the N value in the recipe.

For a first run it's not going bad, but I'm far away to get the same yield from hydro, so it's all about quality, and I'll see in some weeks if SS worth all the work. I'll post some pictures soon.


About the GG#4 it has nothing really bad, but the aroma and taste can't win on NZH or exodus or orange diesel or chocotonic at the end, just to say some, other than that it has some intersexual traits and it's not good for breeding. One example of it is a cross between GG#4 and another kush...full of hermie traits as many others nowdays. Just a loss of time if you search a stable hybrid.
BTW I'm not one of those taking care about potency and I know and also smoked the supersoil one at 33% thc, pretty impressive on that side but still not so much aroma as others plants.

 

[noreason]

Harvesed Karma's HeadStash at 60days 12\12. Yielded good with dense nuggets. Couple of lower buds were pollinated and full of healthy seeds due to its intersexual traits showing in the first phase of flowering, right at the internodes, main reason to not grow it anymore, I don't like to have to worry about male flowers!


Aroma is something kush but not so intense btw, not difficult to trim at all.

Used the Canna line and flushed like 10 days before harvest with only RO. Noticed a decent yellowing, basically the whole canopy was yellow, maybe I could have let'em flush a little more...

NewZealand Haze on the left, GG4 middle, HeadStash right

 

[noreason]

Took some pictures of GG4 at 60days too...best flowers of the batch probably. Overall is a good keeper to have, I only saw some male flowers at the end of flowering.

NewZealand haze tray is full of giant colas, this cut needs longer to ripe but smell like crazy of bubblegum,strawberry, fruitydunnowhat...I only have one more strain capable of a terp. battle and it's the ExodusCheese, just to give you an idea of how much smell it's carrying with it.
I'll harvest in some days at 10/11 week flowering, already flushing with RO. In the picture still with nutrients at 60days like the others.

 

[noreason]

GG#4

 

[Mengsk]

"I stand corrected" might be appropriate re: my preconceived notions about indica dominance or prevalence in indoor gardening. That is a sativa hybrid and looks fantastic, great job. In a hybrid I suppose you could have big plant kush buds, small plant fluffy buds, big plant sativa high, big plant indica high etc.

 

[noreason]

"I stand corrected" might be appropriate re: my preconceived notions about indica dominance or prevalence in indoor gardening. That is a sativa hybrid and looks fantastic, great job. In a hybrid I suppose you could have big plant kush buds, small plant fluffy buds, big plant sativa high, big plant indica high etc.

Yo buddy sorry I can't understand maybe. Do you mean how NZH being a sativa hybrid turn out looking more like an indica and not like a sativa? Mainly because of the temperature if this is the question. If the plant has no need to elongate cells to provide more transpiration surface the bud will be more dense.

 

[PaulieWaulie]

Yo buddy sorry I can't understand maybe. Do you mean how NZH being a sativa hybrid turn out looking more like an indica and not like a sativa? Mainly because of the temperature if this is the question. If the plant has no need to elongate cells to provide more transpiration surface the bud will be more dense.

So if a plant stretches if the environment is hot for the purposes of transpiration and cooling, isn't most of this stretch going into stems and increased node spacing? Plants don't transpire on stems, and do taller plants have more leaves?

P.S. Amazing fade on those. You did the GG4 proper justice

 

[noreason]

Thanks Paulie Could have let'em a couple of days more, but I'm still learning a lot on flushing and I want to try to let the NZH tray go for a longer flushing till leaves starts to turn brown/dried in good number. Will see.


About stretching, yes you're right on the stem. It's the more visible part of the plant doing this.

Try to picture a pure sativa plant, grown in its own hot and humid climate. Think about the buds. It has not a real bud, but just some amount of calixes here and there.
That flower shape give the plant the possibility to be in contact with more air, increasing transpiration. It's a must also for fungi attacks, a good airflow prevent spores germination and grow.

Coming back to shape of the flower, basically like the stem, also those tissue can elongate. It's called cellular elongation and it's the same mechanism we can see in the stems.

So basically temp. is the key and it can switch the plant having a more indica or a more sativa structure, and flower's shape.

That's the main reason I prefer to grow short bushy indicas in the summer if I can, and let the sativas for the winter. However a sativa live better in the summer...grow more, live for more months, that's good for the plant...but obviously it's not good for us, searching dense nuggets.

About the stretching itself for a single strain...well there are many factor contributing to have more or less stretch, but for sure temp is one of those. High temps let's say don't help to keep a plant bushy you know...


ps: I tried once a product named bio-control from a Dutch company. It prevent cellular elongation...and it does indeed. With such product we can modify the game, but let's say it's not my style.

 

[noreason]

For those who like NewZealand Haze...60days flowering...wondering what's the lineage, anybody knows?

Couple of gg4 shots too

 

[noreason]

More of GG4

 

[noreason]

Fabric pots works. Hydrotons and perlite work too. Roots are happy.

Some went on the tray...not many. In the pictures they're already dried.

Last...in these pictures you can see clay pebbels...they're from ATAMI and probably the cheapest ones. They're heavier compared to regular hydroton...but well...it works too. In any case, I'll not use it anymore.

 

[noreason]

NZH on the left finishing to flower, Orange Diesel in the corner and Sherbet x PlatinumCookies on the right. Being a perpetual 12/12 room I can't switch to 18/6 for some days so very very important to me is to have the correct size clones ready to flower and stretch to fill the space...meaning a decent veggie setup.

The room is powered by 3 dimmable Lumatek 400V. Used a lot of them and never a fail...rock solid stuff +++

OrangeDiesel just arrived in the room.

 

[noreason]

First hydro round for Sherbet x Platinum (pheno #4). Best thing of this cut is the aroma, intense for sure, a little fruity, a little kushy, sour...it's complicated but for sure it can be a long term keeper. I still keep another phenotype, really beautiful flowers but poor aroma...will see in the future if grow it again or not.



Clones are in both plastic pots (6,5lt.) and in fabric pots (7lt but they gain some liters when filling). I would guess in the winter is better to use plastic pot to avoid evaporation in the night, carry away the heat coming from the nutritive solution, but I'll see also this in a couple of months.



My real worry is about intersexual traits. It should be ok with that point, but others phenos showed this trait in the past, so eyes must be open especially from week 3 to week 6.


Overall plants are looking good with a good vigor ans a good structure.

 

[BRUNEZ]

Unreal.. congratz NOREASON it's all amazing