noknees
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if you are indeed as stated, you are easily my new favorite here. i'm nothing if not a skeptic, but i want to believe
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if you are indeed as stated, you are easily my new favorite here. i'm nothing if not a skeptic, but i want to believe
growing your own organic medicine...kudos
gorilla ganja
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I'm not really a micro grower. There are certain problems that come up when growing in a small cabinet that are unique. I wish I could help more. Maybe check out some of the micro grows on here. It always amazes me how stealthy some of these grows are. there are some really talented micro growers here that may be more knowledgeable in this area.
Loving the grow, choice of self made genetics and cabinet set up
I can relate to not wanting too much noise coming from your grow. My little set up is in a wardrobe right next to my bed. I’ve gone about it a bit differently though. I went on eBay and bought a very cheap grow tent that only just fits in the space. The tent is the cheapest you can imagine but I spent a lot more on the extraction set up. I bought a very good 4 inch carbon filter and an rvk fan that I hooked up to a proper fan controller. The fan is then located inside the tent for better noise insulation. At night I can turn down the fan and can hardly hear it.. All my ducting is Phonic Trap duct as well, also reducing noise.
I was going to do the same as you and use desktop fans but they aren’t powerful enough to have the constant airflow needed. As others have suggested, a more powerful fan that you can regulate that sits inside the cabinet, pulling the air out, will give proper circulation. You can also house the fan in a cardboard box with layers of paper inside (or insulating foam as that’s less flammable) which will insulate more sound.
One of my big worries was too much noise but my set up works fine and I can’t really hear a thing.
I’m not sure how clear I’ve been but I hope that helps. It definitely looks like you have room to innovate and create a better environment
Best of luck.
I can relate to not wanting too much noise coming from your grow. My little set up is in a wardrobe right next to my bed. I’ve gone about it a bit differently though. I went on eBay and bought a very cheap grow tent that only just fits in the space. The tent is the cheapest you can imagine but I spent a lot more on the extraction set up. I bought a very good 4 inch carbon filter and an rvk fan that I hooked up to a proper fan controller. The fan is then located inside the tent for better noise insulation. At night I can turn down the fan and can hardly hear it.. All my ducting is Phonic Trap duct as well, also reducing noise.
I was going to do the same as you and use desktop fans but they aren’t powerful enough to have the constant airflow needed. As others have suggested, a more powerful fan that you can regulate that sits inside the cabinet, pulling the air out, will give proper circulation. You can also house the fan in a cardboard box with layers of paper inside (or insulating foam as that’s less flammable) which will insulate more sound.
One of my big worries was too much noise but my set up works fine and I can’t really hear a thing.
I’m not sure how clear I’ve been but I hope that helps. It definitely looks like you have room to innovate and create a better environment
Best of luck.
TheGrandmaGrows
Member
if you are indeed as stated, you are easily my new favorite here. i'm nothing if not a skeptic, but i want to believe
growing your own organic medicine...kudos
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
Distilling in an apartment is tricky. But I've done it. I recommend you try distilling water before anything else to learn the process.
Distilling ethanol is fairly easy and wise so you can reclaim the ethanol for reuse. I was actually distilling in my bathroom by using
my entire bathtub filled with cold water and a pump to chill my condenser. The key is to distill very slow with only enough heat to
get a distillate coming over dropwise. Fast distillation can be dangerous. Remember no smoking near any solvent distillation.
Setting a worm bin is fairly easy.
I have distilled water in the past by placing a bowl in a big pot with the lid inverted and filled with ice. It worked fine but I don't think it would work for making a good distillate haha I remember GrayWolf telling me at some point that it's not worth it to make a still if you don't have a fractioning still as well because the ethanol grabs water every time you distill, so by your third time it will have too much water to extract without getting tons of water solubles in the mix. At the time my interest in distillation was mainly for recovering the ethanol, so that kind of made me abandon the idea and stick to butane extraction for the most part. Now I have easier access to ethanol and I'm actually more interested in producing a distillate that's adequate for an ecig type vape, so I'm not too worried about loosing the ethanol. How did you chill your condenser with your pump? Do you have any pictures of the setup? Is it similar to the one described in Skuk Pharm's site or is it more like a lab style setup? I don't know which way to go.
Thanks a lot for the tips! I will look into worm bins at some point when I have the time.
Thanks for the honesty GG! I was unsure as to whether I should post here or in micro grows. I ended up posting here because it seemed to me like there was not a very clear distinction and I figured it would be more visible here. Do you think I should move it?
Loving the grow, choice of self made genetics and cabinet set up
I can relate to not wanting too much noise coming from your grow. My little set up is in a wardrobe right next to my bed. I’ve gone about it a bit differently though. I went on eBay and bought a very cheap grow tent that only just fits in the space. The tent is the cheapest you can imagine but I spent a lot more on the extraction set up. I bought a very good 4 inch carbon filter and an rvk fan that I hooked up to a proper fan controller. The fan is then located inside the tent for better noise insulation. At night I can turn down the fan and can hardly hear it.. All my ducting is Phonic Trap duct as well, also reducing noise.
I was going to do the same as you and use desktop fans but they aren’t powerful enough to have the constant airflow needed. As others have suggested, a more powerful fan that you can regulate that sits inside the cabinet, pulling the air out, will give proper circulation. You can also house the fan in a cardboard box with layers of paper inside (or insulating foam as that’s less flammable) which will insulate more sound.
One of my big worries was too much noise but my set up works fine and I can’t really hear a thing.
I’m not sure how clear I’ve been but I hope that helps. It definitely looks like you have room to innovate and create a better environment
Best of luck.
Hey Kalbhairav!
It sounds like a great idea for the cabinet.
I regret a bit having built the whole thing with the heavy ass shitty wood I used. It has wheels, which is very cool, I can move it around the house which has proven super useful in some instances, and it's pretty sturdy (otherwise it would fall apart when moving it). However, I'm renting, so if I have to move, which will probably happen sooner or later, I'll have to unmount the whole thing, and move the half ton of material down several floors of stairs...
Anyway, I think you did a smart thing there with the ventilation. Part of my problem is that my cabinet is divided in two isolated compartments, so in order to have the ventilation inside and pulling through the filter I would need to have two filters and two fans, which I think is overkill for a 2x4. At the beginning I had computer fans extracting air through one duct from each side, blowing it into a plastic box which contained the filter, which had 100cfm fan pulling air through it, and blowing it out the cabinet. This way the filter was probably causing less loss in pressure because the fan was pulling through it, but the air was also making a ton of noise by going out to the environment almost directly from the 100cfm fan, and also the whole idea of the plastic box never really convinced me, I was worried about it being a potential place for air leaks. I ended up inverting it to what it is now, and it's great because I get 100cfm for each 2x2, which I think is pretty ok, and the filter acts as a silencer, and the whole thing is really, really silent. I have been defoliating more than I would've liked to because I was worried about humidity raising too much. I'll see how it goes this run. If I don't have any mold problems or the like, and if I get a satisfactory harvest even though I defoliated a bit too much, I think I'll leave it as it is. Otherwise, I'll probably end up having something like what you're describing.
Luckily, I opened the windows today and to my surprise ambient RH has decreased like a 20% in a day, so maybe it will be easier from now on!
TheGrandmaGrows
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Anyway, plants have been doing great lately. As I mentioned, I had to cut a few more leaves than I would have liked, but the plants didn't seem to mind too much. I'm loving the smells, the faster, slightly purple pheno has more of an earthy smell, while others have some pungent/citrusy smells going on. Very different growth patterns, as expected in an F1 from different varieties I guess.
Only innovation is I happened to come across a 135W qb288 rspec kit lately, and now the cabinet is looking somehow brighter. I have that on the right side and the two HLG65 4000K on the left side. I don't know about g/watt on this grow, but I can say it's frosting up really nicely, I hope I had a flash to make those headies justice. I'll just post a bunch of recent pictures now. Cheers!
Only innovation is I happened to come across a 135W qb288 rspec kit lately, and now the cabinet is looking somehow brighter. I have that on the right side and the two HLG65 4000K on the left side. I don't know about g/watt on this grow, but I can say it's frosting up really nicely, I hope I had a flash to make those headies justice. I'll just post a bunch of recent pictures now. Cheers!
I like the sound of the kit swap. I recently just swapped out a 130w 3000k QB for two Migro 100w 3500k cob units to cover my 60 x 90cm space.
Are you thinking of loosing the HLG65 4000K at some point? I only ask because 4K spectrum is usually just for veg. They’ll work fine I guess..
Are you thinking of loosing the HLG65 4000K at some point? I only ask because 4K spectrum is usually just for veg. They’ll work fine I guess..
TheGrandmaGrows
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Left side with the two HLG65s
Closer. The test defoliation I did during the stretch on the plant in the front definitely had a detrimental effect, as expected. She's shorter but also more stacky, let's see how she ends up.
Closer. The test defoliation I did during the stretch on the plant in the front definitely had a detrimental effect, as expected. She's shorter but also more stacky, let's see how she ends up.
TheGrandmaGrows
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Right side with the 135W kit.
Trying to give an idea of the length of the colas in this side.
Probably can't tell from the photos, but last time I defoliated I had to reach some places lower in the canopy in the back and I kind of bruised a bit of the front colas. Nothing important, just some stigmas have since turned orange in the uppermost flowers.
Trying to give an idea of the length of the colas in this side.
Probably can't tell from the photos, but last time I defoliated I had to reach some places lower in the canopy in the back and I kind of bruised a bit of the front colas. Nothing important, just some stigmas have since turned orange in the uppermost flowers.
TheGrandmaGrows
Member
Some bud porn from the left side. First three are from the girl in the back left, the fastest sexiest of the bunch so far, for my taste.
TheGrandmaGrows
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A bit of bud porn from the right side.
I divided the plants before the switch to 12/12, putting in this side the ones that had grown bigger during veg. They are also looking more sativa like in their leaves, I wonder if I'll find some strains that allows me to work and be productive. It would be lovely. I was thinking on getting some pure sativas from ACE, but if the sativa pheno from the Skunk #1 makes any of these babies a bit productivity friendly I might skip that and stay focused on this cross and try to stabilize it a bit. These seeds were the first ones I ever made, so any breeding advise is greatly appreciated
I divided the plants before the switch to 12/12, putting in this side the ones that had grown bigger during veg. They are also looking more sativa like in their leaves, I wonder if I'll find some strains that allows me to work and be productive. It would be lovely. I was thinking on getting some pure sativas from ACE, but if the sativa pheno from the Skunk #1 makes any of these babies a bit productivity friendly I might skip that and stay focused on this cross and try to stabilize it a bit. These seeds were the first ones I ever made, so any breeding advise is greatly appreciated
TheGrandmaGrows
Member
I don't think I'll loose them. I'm not sure. My original idea was to get two qb288s and divide each side of the cabinet in two height-wise, to have one light in each of the four compartments. I think that would be the most efficient use of this space, but also more time-consuming, and I foresee a busy future. For now I'll see how it goes with this configuration and I may adjust in the future
Those migros look nice!
gorilla ganja
Well-known member
I think you should just keep the thread here. Maybe put micro in the name if you can change it to get more help from those guys and gals.
As far as breeding. See what this hybrid brings you. If it close to your taste, I say keep working this cross. It sounds like a winner to me, but the proof is in the pudding or Bud in this case.
Peace GG
As far as breeding. See what this hybrid brings you. If it close to your taste, I say keep working this cross. It sounds like a winner to me, but the proof is in the pudding or Bud in this case.
Peace GG
TheGrandmaGrows
Member
Thanks for the input gg!
I was discussing this with my partner and I'm thinking I may take a relaxed approach to breeding. I'm thinking I actually have space for a bit more nug that I need in the closet, which means I don't need to optimize it's productivity that much. I'm thinking I may introduce some new genetics and breed all casually just so I have seeds to plant, embracing the unpredictability of this approach and without trying too hard to get a stable line. In the end of the day, variability is always nice!
These days the plants have started to put out some niiiiiiiiice smells. The plant in the front of the right side had a crazy orange smell that very strongly reminded me of a particular sweet in my country. There is a very nice mix of earthy, sweet relaxed smells with some super pungent/citrus/face wrinkling smells in there. I'm putting my nose in the buds so often the plants are starting to complain! This reminds me why I went through all the trouble of growing again. It's the best feeling! I could spend entire days looking at the plants and enjoying their smells
I was discussing this with my partner and I'm thinking I may take a relaxed approach to breeding. I'm thinking I actually have space for a bit more nug that I need in the closet, which means I don't need to optimize it's productivity that much. I'm thinking I may introduce some new genetics and breed all casually just so I have seeds to plant, embracing the unpredictability of this approach and without trying too hard to get a stable line. In the end of the day, variability is always nice!
These days the plants have started to put out some niiiiiiiiice smells. The plant in the front of the right side had a crazy orange smell that very strongly reminded me of a particular sweet in my country. There is a very nice mix of earthy, sweet relaxed smells with some super pungent/citrus/face wrinkling smells in there. I'm putting my nose in the buds so often the plants are starting to complain! This reminds me why I went through all the trouble of growing again. It's the best feeling! I could spend entire days looking at the plants and enjoying their smells
TheGrandmaGrows
Member
Unfortunately, yesterday I had to take a tough decision. The humidity in the cabinets has been increasing during the past couple of weeks due to the increase in leaf surface.
I have increased the time I have the dehumidifier on, but still the plants were oscillating between 60 and 80 % RH, which I guess is way too much. I think having an organic soil should help them deal with this kind of stresses, but still 80% in late flower is calling for problems.
There were plenty of leafs touching and generating small pools of condensation in the interfaces. I even saw some droplets get to a nug. Also, I saw several leafs with bit-like holes in them, and even though they weren't many, they were enough to make me worry that there may be some critters hidding in there, and also that these bites may be a good entry door for hyphae of botrytis or other problematic fungi that may have an interest in me plants.
With this in mind, I decided to take off all leaves that were potentially touching, all leaves that were damaged, and all leaves that were covering a cola. This means almost all leaves.
My plan was to defoliate on days 21 and 42, as I've seen most people do, but humidity is a constraint here so that wasn't a possibility. I defoliated around day 15, partially interrupting the stretch, and now I defoliated around day 35, probably interrupting a bit the fatten-up week, let's see what comes out.
Also, I trained them a bit to open up space, specially in the back of the right cabinet, were plants were particularly crammed up. I broke off a branch almost completely. The whole thing was kind of hanging, I estimate there was like a 10-20% of tissue connecting the branch to the tree. Yet, I just tied it a bit to keep it in place, and the branch seemed to not even notice! Huge opportunity for infection I guess, but the plant really didn't skip a beat.
I have increased the time I have the dehumidifier on, but still the plants were oscillating between 60 and 80 % RH, which I guess is way too much. I think having an organic soil should help them deal with this kind of stresses, but still 80% in late flower is calling for problems.
There were plenty of leafs touching and generating small pools of condensation in the interfaces. I even saw some droplets get to a nug. Also, I saw several leafs with bit-like holes in them, and even though they weren't many, they were enough to make me worry that there may be some critters hidding in there, and also that these bites may be a good entry door for hyphae of botrytis or other problematic fungi that may have an interest in me plants.
With this in mind, I decided to take off all leaves that were potentially touching, all leaves that were damaged, and all leaves that were covering a cola. This means almost all leaves.
My plan was to defoliate on days 21 and 42, as I've seen most people do, but humidity is a constraint here so that wasn't a possibility. I defoliated around day 15, partially interrupting the stretch, and now I defoliated around day 35, probably interrupting a bit the fatten-up week, let's see what comes out.
Also, I trained them a bit to open up space, specially in the back of the right cabinet, were plants were particularly crammed up. I broke off a branch almost completely. The whole thing was kind of hanging, I estimate there was like a 10-20% of tissue connecting the branch to the tree. Yet, I just tied it a bit to keep it in place, and the branch seemed to not even notice! Huge opportunity for infection I guess, but the plant really didn't skip a beat.
TheGrandmaGrows
Member
Left side before defoliation:
Left side after defoliation:
Right side before defoliation:
Right side after defoliation:
Left side after defoliation:
Right side before defoliation:
Right side after defoliation:
TheGrandmaGrows
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This is the amount of leafs I took from the left side (right side was about the same):
I took a lot of super frosty sexy leafs unfortunately.
This are some of the ugly looking leafs that got me worried initially. As you can see, some seem to have been eaten, while others have kind of dark, wrinkled, mushy tips. It seems to me like the latter may just be normal senescence of a few random leaves, but I was interested in knowing other people's opinion as well.
I took a lot of super frosty sexy leafs unfortunately.
This are some of the ugly looking leafs that got me worried initially. As you can see, some seem to have been eaten, while others have kind of dark, wrinkled, mushy tips. It seems to me like the latter may just be normal senescence of a few random leaves, but I was interested in knowing other people's opinion as well.
TheGrandmaGrows
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Some right side shots:
This plant is starting to show some red pigmentation in its leafs, even though temperatures are stable and I haven't modified the nutrition since flowering started. Should I lower nitrogen levels now?
This plant is starting to show some red pigmentation in its leafs, even though temperatures are stable and I haven't modified the nutrition since flowering started. Should I lower nitrogen levels now?
TheGrandmaGrows
Member
Some left side shots:
noknees
Member
i looked for what you're doing feed-wise and found nothing...assumed you were water-only.
whatcha got cookin?
Yes to this ^
Also, if you’re adding more powerful LEDs then expect the plants to need more Mg. Your plants look as if they need more Mg in their lives.
Edit - I should of been more specific. The right side looks as if it’s lacking Mg. the left side looks ok.
The new light is 3500k? I can’t remember. Anyway, if the plant went from a 4k to LEDs in the 3k range then they’ll be need more Mg, especially during transition to flower.
I’m no expert, just what it looks like to me.
