Grandma's Spring 2020

[starke]

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Sugar leafs on the buds in the purple plant are deeead as fuck. They are all crispy and brown, I was thinking maybe cut the top buds off now (day 55) and let the rest of the plant and the other plants get to day 60-70. Any opinions on this?

Probably would not be a bad idea, though if the leaves are as dry as you say the chance of rot is probably past. Of course those buds are probably about as developed as they will get so I don't think chopping could hurt - and might actually help the rest of the plant.

 

[TheGrandmaGrows]

More than the mold, I was worried about crispy leaves getting all over the place when I hang them. I just chopped a couple of moldy buds from the right side so now I'm worried about rot again hahha The left side is dryer though so I think I'll give them a couple more days.


by the way @starke, I just saw some massssive buds on one of your active threads and you say something about a certain defoliation technique, what's that about?

 

[starke]

I am using a defol technique mentioned by IchabodCrane in his vertical LED grow. Based on my experience so far it works well for SCROG also.

He describes his technique with pics in this thread, at post #8.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=368036

Takes more time for sure but I have been happy with the results on two runs so far.

Without some controlled side by sides it probably comes down to just more bro science, but what the hell. I would not waste the extra time it takes had I not seen a difference.

 

[TheGrandmaGrows]

Thanks starke!


Interesting thread! Lots of possibilities with such a vertical setup...

Takes more time for sure but I have been happy with the results on two runs so far.

Without some controlled side by sides it probably comes down to just more bro science, but what the hell. I would not waste the extra time it takes had I not seen a difference.

Let me give you my pedantic interpretation of your 'bro science' in this case. Defoliating is a technique which can vary across several dimensions. You can take more or less foliage, take or leave stems, take or leave petioles, do it at a given time, or twice or thrice, or all the time in small amounts, defoliate more or less... Each dimension of variability defines an axis in a 'defoliation space'. Because of this multidimensionality, this space of possible defoliation techniques is huge. The BEST defoliation technique (which will depend on your exact setup) is a point in that space. You don't know that point, but also the bestest growing facility with a huge investment in research also doesn't know which point that is, and actually, even with all the scientific knowledge humanity is lacking on defoliation, the optimal solution would still be dependent on too many variables to be found by someone in our position. So, what you are doing is heuristically searching for near-optimal solutions in a space which doesn't offer you any other possibilities! I would say any scientist, brother or not, would approve your approach and have a rectal prolapse just from looking at your fat nugs.

 

[TheGrandmaGrows]

I sampled the buds I cut because of bud rot (only the rotless ones of course). Fresh grassy taste as expected when vaporizing something that fresh, but very interesting high! Probably because of being 'too' early, it was pretty racy and stimulant. I have actually been enjoying it a lot. Very functional and clear headed with just a bit of a pushy feeling that hasn't so far gotten to an uncomfortable point. I'm actually considering harvesting some a bit early to not get too far from this effect...

 

[techattack]

Becuz i have way more plants then i should im cutting the top buds and letting some of the lower branches fatting one or two week more, i think it works and help increase yeld a bit. Where i live mold is a Dick too and always try to mess with my outdoors so i am used to have to chop half a plant or so

 

[starke]

Thanks starke!


Interesting thread! Lots of possibilities with such a vertical setup...





Let me give you my pedantic interpretation of your 'bro science' in this case. Defoliating is a technique which can vary across several dimensions. You can take more or less foliage, take or leave stems, take or leave petioles, do it at a given time, or twice or thrice, or all the time in small amounts, defoliate more or less... Each dimension of variability defines an axis in a 'defoliation space'. Because of this multidimensionality, this space of possible defoliation techniques is huge. The BEST defoliation technique (which will depend on your exact setup) is a point in that space. You don't know that point, but also the bestest growing facility with a huge investment in research also doesn't know which point that is, and actually, even with all the scientific knowledge humanity is lacking on defoliation, the optimal solution would still be dependent on too many variables to be found by someone in our position. So, what you are doing is heuristically searching for near-optimal solutions in a space which doesn't offer you any other possibilities! I would say any scientist, brother or not, would approve your approach and have a rectal prolapse just from looking at your fat nugs.

Thank you.

 

[TheGrandmaGrows]

Right side:

 

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More right side:

 

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Left side:

 

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More left side:

 

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Harvest of the missing plant:

 

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More harvest:

 

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More harvest:

 

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At the beginning I thought I was being gifted the ability to upload 10 photos at a time becausee of my wholesomeness, but then I remembered about icmag not working yesterday because of change of servers and Bayes quietly whispered in my ear maybe I'm not that wholesome. Anyway, I don't think I have self-control necessary to responsibly use such power!


The purplish girl went down the 31st. I prepared a small 8cm computer fan + diy carbon filter combo that I hooked to a cardboard box to serve as my drying building. It's been drying for these 4 days at ~50% RH, and after testing with a few small buds to see how much humidity raised in a closed jar (following the 'a perfect cure every time' instructions), today I trimmed her and jarred her with another small hygrometer.



The day I cut her I trimmed all the crispy leaves so that they wouldn't go everywhere, and today I trimmed her properly. This grow I allowed the plants to grow a lot, because I wanted to get tall shoots, but that way I also allowed maaany shoots to grow, which I then proceeded to leave there. Of course this meant more buds, and thus smaller buds, which in my hash-oriented mind doesn't really mean anything. I'm actually able to vaporize all the time now, and have no reason to make concentrates other than make use of things that are too weak to be vaporized. With this new mindset, I realized that many smaller buds do have a price: trimming! It's been a lot of work for a few tiny buds. But it's ok, they are sexy anyway and I accept them as they are.



Weight after trimming was 26.23g of properly trimmed sexy buds, and 9.03g of smaller buds that I decided weren't worth my time trimming. Actually, the distinction was pretty arbitrary, I just stopped trimming at some point. I also froze two jars full of fresh buds to make some concentrates. Not bad. Definitely a looooooot of room for improvement, but I don't actually need it. I planned the setup to have a bit more than I need so that I don't need to be stressing over optimizing everything. Anyway, I added the second light at about half the flowering period, so I guess since [65+65+0.5*135=197.5W], 1g/W would be about 33g/plant. Counting on the fact that this one was smallish I would say I'm about in that area.

 

[TheGrandmaGrows]

@techattack


Yesss fucking mold, I had never had to deal with it before and what a pain in the ass. Growing in the 'desert' was so cool, but drying has been better here I have to say, with the help of my dehumidifier and some hygrometers I get to control the process pretty accurately, which is nice. Anyway, I want to reveg this babies and also they are maturing at totally different times, so I'm also spreading the harvest throughout a certain period, although differently I guess.


@starke


I'm very bad at distinguishing written sarcasm so I'm gonna assume you were truly thankful for my pedantism and say: my pleasure! always willing to give explanations no-one asked me for

 

[TheGrandmaGrows]

oh I forgot, found one small budlet rotting in the plant I cut, plus a few others in two of the plants in the right cabinet, which happen to be ready so... I'm gonna go cut em right now! I guess it's actually a good thing to have small buds with this humidity... should I strive to keep it this way or is there any way to fight rot in fat buds? I think I know the answer...

 

[kritios]

following the 'a perfect cure every time' instructions

Those are good instructions: have served me well.



Congratulations on the grow & harvest. Looks like a job well done!

 

[starke]

@techattack


@starke


I'm very bad at distinguishing written sarcasm so I'm gonna assume you were truly thankful for my pedantism and say: my pleasure! always willing to give explanations no-one asked me for

Not sarcasm, heart felt thanks. Lovely harvest. Congrats.

 

[TheGrandmaGrows]

Thanks people!


I cut down two of the girls in the right side:

They are EXACTLY as much bud as I can fit in my little drying box, so the rest stay in the cabinet waiting for a bit of room, which given that the other plant took 4 days to dry, I'm assuming will be available Monday.

I managed to take out the screens and took the second smartpot out of their bottoms, and kept them with a single pot to wait for their reveg