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Gorilla Glue #4 - Part II
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Most of the GG#4 I grew never had color(purple/reds) Fading to yellow was common. I got some tips/leaves change from cold temps. IMO that's what we are seeing here. Most pic Ive seen don't have color just a yellow fade. If any can get those colors in summer I will agree there's more to it than temps. I cant get gg#4 to color in summer.
finally got some fresh GG#4 extracted and been dabbin' it up ...so nice to get that brain crushing wave of potency back when i want it ... been a while
I haven’t had one in forever too. Supposedly this is the cause...
https://cannabisnow.com/dark-heart-nursery-identifies-major-virus-behind-dud-cannabis-plants/
It was pretty obvious it was a virus, imo
Water only. Organic. She gets color. Even when temps don't drop below 68 degrees. When she fades, when fully ripe, upon having truly entered senescence, she will give of some purples/magenta/reds. I think most strains I've ran tend to do that. It almost seems more common than strains that just go flat yellow. Maybe it's the just because I tend to grow a lot of blueberry or purple hybrids.
Pictures from Phillthy to make the point. She has it in her.
dank.Frank
CrushnYuba
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That seems about right. That purpling is mostly in the leaf that's dying. I'm sure i have seen it do that. Not really much that makes It through trimming.
I have mostly ran glue full term outdoor. I'm thinking about running a bit in my light depp this year, but she doesn't seem to do well with excessive heat. Mother nature can be unpredictable.
I have mostly ran glue full term outdoor. I'm thinking about running a bit in my light depp this year, but she doesn't seem to do well with excessive heat. Mother nature can be unpredictable.
I get color on her in the winter.
Its def not a genetic trait. Most of the indoor runs of gg#4 Ive seen and ran had no color. Just a standard yellow fade.. Any that had some color was from cooler temps.
I've done allot of testing on how much N plants like. I've found plants that had higher supply's of N faded from dark green, Purple, magenta.. Plants that had adequate N supply faded from Green to yellow. Ea strain requires multiple runs to get it right. Once you do all runs leaves will fade to Red/Magenta. I def had allot of failures figuring it out. I tried using the powder when up potting doing that seriously locked out all plants I did that on. I'm assuming it screwed up my PH using it like that. Since that mistake I mix in RO before using its worked great. All the plants I get that darker green glossy look on will fade to magenta.
I've done allot of testing on how much N plants like. I've found plants that had higher supply's of N faded from dark green, Purple, magenta.. Plants that had adequate N supply faded from Green to yellow. Ea strain requires multiple runs to get it right. Once you do all runs leaves will fade to Red/Magenta. I def had allot of failures figuring it out. I tried using the powder when up potting doing that seriously locked out all plants I did that on. I'm assuming it screwed up my PH using it like that. Since that mistake I mix in RO before using its worked great. All the plants I get that darker green glossy look on will fade to magenta.
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shishkaboy
>>>>Beanie Man<<<<
I've been using some N fixers myself recently and was wondering do I still need to add nitrogen?
Wondering if I will overdo it if the microbes have it under control?
Or if the microbes can even over do it all by themselves?
Like N fixers during flowering...how would we get a good fade if the n fixers are still going strong?
Here's some old pics that should add to the discussion...
I dont know if one causes the other, but this run was deffo over fed and prolly in what could be considered a "warm room"
Wondering if I will overdo it if the microbes have it under control?
Or if the microbes can even over do it all by themselves?
Like N fixers during flowering...how would we get a good fade if the n fixers are still going strong?
Here's some old pics that should add to the discussion...
I dont know if one causes the other, but this run was deffo over fed and prolly in what could be considered a "warm room"
No N needed in flower. Once you get the plants in veg right there's no need to add anymore. You can def lockout your plants if you use to much. Start slow your in no hurry.
CrushnYuba
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Not to get off topic, what is this bacteria called? It fixes N from the atmosphere? It's non-symbiotic?
shishkaboy
>>>>Beanie Man<<<<
Azospirills?
Product called azos by extreme gardening is the one I'm trying out.
Product called azos by extreme gardening is the one I'm trying out.
If there are no root nodules, then there is no fixation, is my understanding. I've never seen the proper nodules on cannabis roots that I've seen on the roots of field crops such various legumes, so I phased out any such expenditure.
My understanding, is cannabis and rhizobium are NOT symbiotic.
Not to mention, azospirillum brasilense, is a microaerobic diazotroph, meaning it thrives and fixates nitrogen in areas where there exist lower levels of oxygen - which is not the ideal environment for cannabis roots to exist in. In fact, they are poisoned by O2 higher than atmospheric levels and thrive under a CO2 rich environment.
If anything at all, this might help prevent some nitrogen lockout in the event of consistent over watering or a heavy rainy season, but given there is not symbiosis with the root system, you have to wonder what is keeping these bacteria alive in a high oxygen environment, aside from the repeated applications, which I'm sure are recommended by the manufacturer.
I'm saying I don't buy it in the grand scheme. Prove me wrong by showing me pictures of your plants roots with nitrogen fixation nodules intact.
dank.Frank
My understanding, is cannabis and rhizobium are NOT symbiotic.
Not to mention, azospirillum brasilense, is a microaerobic diazotroph, meaning it thrives and fixates nitrogen in areas where there exist lower levels of oxygen - which is not the ideal environment for cannabis roots to exist in. In fact, they are poisoned by O2 higher than atmospheric levels and thrive under a CO2 rich environment.
If anything at all, this might help prevent some nitrogen lockout in the event of consistent over watering or a heavy rainy season, but given there is not symbiosis with the root system, you have to wonder what is keeping these bacteria alive in a high oxygen environment, aside from the repeated applications, which I'm sure are recommended by the manufacturer.
I'm saying I don't buy it in the grand scheme. Prove me wrong by showing me pictures of your plants roots with nitrogen fixation nodules intact.
dank.Frank
I don't use any product that I don't see results with.. N fixing bacteria works 100%. All my plants are much greener using it. I've killed plants using it(ph issues). I wont grow without using it anymore. Love the results. It took awhile to see how important N is. From what I understand Azos uses only Nitrogen-fixing bacteria. I don't use much 1-2 feedings in veg is all I use. You would need to use other beneficial microbes like Og bio war.
Nitrogen fixing bacteria are an important part of the nitrogen cycle. They have the unique ability to take atmospheric nitrogen (N2) and convert it into ammonia (NH3). Ammonia is a form of nitrogen that can be utilized by plants. While nitrogen fixation doesn’t sound like much, in fact it is extremely important. Plants cannot use N2, so without nitrogen fixing bacteria, plants would quickly deplete the nitrogen in the soil. Since nitrogen is one of the most expensive inputs for the farmer, the use of nitrogen fixing bacteria has come into standard use.
Paenibacillus polymyxa is a nitrogen fixing bacteria and is considered a plant growth promoting bacteria (PGPB). Living in the rhizosphere (root zone), this beneficial soil bacteria forms a symbiotic relationship with the plant. Paenibacillus polymyxa provides several benefits to the plants.
Helps supply nitrogen to the plant,
Produce plant growth hormones such as cytokinins, auxins, and gibberellins,
Is a biofertilizer,
Helps plants grow stronger, healthier root systems.
Nitrogen fixing bacteria are an important part of the nitrogen cycle. They have the unique ability to take atmospheric nitrogen (N2) and convert it into ammonia (NH3). Ammonia is a form of nitrogen that can be utilized by plants. While nitrogen fixation doesn’t sound like much, in fact it is extremely important. Plants cannot use N2, so without nitrogen fixing bacteria, plants would quickly deplete the nitrogen in the soil. Since nitrogen is one of the most expensive inputs for the farmer, the use of nitrogen fixing bacteria has come into standard use.
Paenibacillus polymyxa is a nitrogen fixing bacteria and is considered a plant growth promoting bacteria (PGPB). Living in the rhizosphere (root zone), this beneficial soil bacteria forms a symbiotic relationship with the plant. Paenibacillus polymyxa provides several benefits to the plants.
Helps supply nitrogen to the plant,
Produce plant growth hormones such as cytokinins, auxins, and gibberellins,
Is a biofertilizer,
Helps plants grow stronger, healthier root systems.
- Highly-efficient conversion of nitrogen
- Drives clorophyll production
- Helps keep plants green and efficient
- Highly-efficient conversion of nitrogen
- Acts as growth stimulant
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NEED 4 SEED
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I'm using Azos. You can use any that use N fixing bacteria. I would recommend anyone starting to use these start slow. Do not use the powder when doing a up pot.
Why don’t you use any during an up pot?
I sprinkle Azos and Myco Jordan on the roots/rootball during every up pot. I don’t go crazy with them tho. Just a really light dusting.
