Gorilla Glue#4 my L.A. cup cut.

[StoneyK]

hey stoneyK - how would you presume the roots are on your GG?

We tend to focus too much on the visible parts of the plants when some times the problems lie beneath - just my 2 cents

I've been saying since the start of this I think it's stunted with too small a root system for the pot it's in.
I think it's been over watered an maybe be a Lil locked out.
I'm pretty far from calling it a dud. I think people jumped to conclusions an panicked a bit.
I my case at least. I cannot speculate on what others are experiencing I think we should all be careful trying to diagnose anything off a pic on the net there are just too many other factors involved.
Looking at pics that show symptoms may or may not be a fair representation of of the problem.
Even something as easy as seeing a Calmag defiencency doesn't always mean pour in more calmag, the whole situation needs to be addressed. Any defiencency can be symptomatic of more going on only a comprehensive full picture of the entire situation yields proper working theories.
I should have never given the dud theory the time of day knowing MY plant an how it has been grown.

 

[Storm Shadow]

Take more Pics... of your plant... 10000000% El DuD O'

This is a new phenomena... doesn't matter how long you have or haven't been in the game... what's important to know now.. is you have HIV in your garden... and you better contain it before it turns into AIDS

In it can live in the plant for years before showing herself... in your situation... slam dunk case.. those midget lime green leaves means your cut is infected..

Nothing to do with pot size and nutes..blah blah blah... this isn't your typical situation by any means.. adapt or perish time for a lot of people is around the corner

 

[localhero]

healthy plants make faster rooting, healthier clones. stressed plants, deficient plants, clones from them take ages to root. they will root, once it took me 2 months to root a shitty clone (aeroponic cloner- theres no way that could be done in rockwool or whatever non water directly to stem method). also unless its a bug or infestation of some kind, shitty micro-leaved stressed plants will recover during veg mode. just takes time and eventually new pliable green stems emerge with nice dark green big leaves. if it was a root issue, I do my best to remove the shitty rotted root and that definitely will speed recovery. once the new recovered foliage begins to dominate the plant, I go back and trim off all the crappy micro leaf stagnated growths.

all that work and time has to really be worth it, otherwise its better/smarter to cull and start over.

 

[OvergrowDaWorld]

Overgrow, im sorry but i 100% disagree. I respect you and your ideas but lower branches do not mean lower quality that is FALSE.

Thats not what I said!
I never said lower branches have low quality! Thats rediculous!
I said.......
Some branches just dont have the vigor, vigor,vigor, vigor,
NOT QUALITY, I never said that word, the branch on the opposite side has. Doesnt matter if its bottom or middle.
This can occur on seed plants and clones.
That little unvigorous branch gets tossed in the garbage and I use the nice branch for a clone mother.

How can people read something and spin it in a totally different direction! People need to sharpen up on there reading comprehension skillz so they dont go arguing over made up crap, and their lack of comprehension and the meaning of words.
You just argued over a made up point in your own head. Cluttered the page with an argument when I was trying to help someone. WTF?
Then you have the bandwagon of idiots that follow along and make rude posts, cluttering the page more, over your made up shit!
Peoples lack of reading comprehension skills, only start fires and bring nothing but stress to the entire community in the long run.
SHARPEN UP! Kids these days. Jeesh! If you truly respected me or this site, you would truly read a post before arguing and acting like you corrected me because you didnt want anyone else to get misinformation.

 

[mojave green]

(aeroponic cloner- theres no way that could be done in rockwool or whatever non water directly to stem method).

callin bullshit on that.

mg

 

[mojave green]

yeah crooked8, if you truly respected everything spewed forth on this site and the internet in general, you would clearly earn the respect of those spewing it.
GEEZ!

 

[Crooked8]

Overgrow you referenced lower branches with less vigor being responsible for dudding. Quality directly translates to dudding. Duds are low quality. "Duds all day" you said, which is not true. Lower branches do not cause duds. Sharpen up? Please, sharp as a tack over here, you tried to blame this dudding on something that was for sure falsehood. Sorry man but its true. Not trying to clutter up anything, just clear up whats right from wrong. You gave incorrect information. Taking a lower branch with less vigor and momming it and giving out cuts from said mom DOES NOT cause "duds all day". I dont meant to upset you, its just fact.

 

[Bill Bellamy]

Crooked has no idea what he's taking about. He's not saying lower branches are duds. Any part of the plant could start dudding and if you take those clones you will have duds. Middle/ bottom has much more of a chance to be a dud than tops generally. A well trained eye can spot a dud branch or dud plant from a mile away. You'll realize this one day crooked, until then listen up and take notes

 

[Bill Bellamy]

And being someone who has grown gg4 for some time now, it is a plant that is more susceptible to dudding than other strains. FYI

 

[Crooked8]

Haha take notes? Okay. Newbie, why dont you cruise through my threads and take notes. Been at this a long time, duds arent branches they are entire plants that are infected. My stables shit on most i see. I get 500-1000$ above average unit price per unit in my med state for my product bc it glows on the shelf. Show me what you know. Ive proven myself on here. Any tester thread ive applied for ive been chosen for. Theres a reason for that, i grow dank like its my religion, with proof.

 

[Crooked8]

Im the first person on here to show a gg dudd. When did you get one? Joesy himself hasnt even seen one and he created it! I think youre full of it. Go clog up another thread with garbage, i respect overgrow. I have no problems with him but random bandwagon liars deserve regulation. Dont talk about things like you know about them when you are far from knowledgable.

 

[tleaf jr.]

took me a long time before I started chiming in on subjects like this (6years) no offense to you Bill, but you've gotta know who's who before issuing notes lol .....

 

[Bill Bellamy]

I don't need to prove anything man, I lay low on custy forums like this one. I don't need to show you how big my dick is, but listen up junior. Duds can come in whole plants, half plants or just a few branches. You must run only a few plants but you'll see one day and look back at this thread and realized you are wrong.

Bottom line is only a few certain knowledgeable people know about duds, how they are caused, how to avoid, and how to spot. I could look through 1000 vegging plants and pick out any dud plants or dud branches within seconds. ( usually very few, like 1 in 300-500 or so to give you an example)

Go grab a small branch on the dud half of your gg4 and I bet it will break off with very little resistance, then grab one from your non dud half and I bet it will have much more resistance.

Again I'm not here to argue with someone who simply doesn't know what they are taking about. Good luck with your little bitch ass 10 lighter or whatever you are running.

 

[IGROWMYOWN]

^^^^ he does have a point on how easy dud branches break off

 

[mojave green]

Bottom line is only a few certain knowledgeable people know about duds, how they are caused, how to avoid, and how to spot. I could look through 1000 vegging plants and pick out any dud plants or dud branches within seconds. ( usually very few, like 1 in 300-500 or so to give you an example)

looking forward to a thread on the subject please?

 

[Snauseberry]

What exactly is BM? Or "duds"?

Ive had a couple plants that will produce sticky/frosty buds on most of the plant, and one or two branches will be completely different. I was thinking it was from salt build up, but i really have no clue at this point. I lost a really good pre 98 bubba because of this

 

[LyryC]

That little unvigorous branch gets tossed in the garbage and I use the nice branch for a clone mother.

This doesn't happen enough - I only use tops for clones.

@ Snauseberry - BM = Broad Mites

I've grown a dud from seed - and then i grew its clones completely opposite plant. the Vintage 2006 in my albums some where - shit was fire too on the second round and i wish she revegged for me

I really hope no one has duds and these are just issues like StoneyK states with the root zone or something else.

I have a PHD that is the ugliest weakest lowest yeilding plant and I bet if I revegged her and got the cloens going great - it would be a different plant.

but can it go the other way around? from a nice strong plant to a weak limping along plant?

 

[Grizz]

I don't need to prove anything man, I lay low on custy forums like this one. I don't need to show you how big my dick is, but listen up junior. Duds can come in whole plants, half plants or just a few branches. You must run only a few plants but you'll see one day and look back at this thread and realized you are wrong.

Bottom line is only a few certain knowledgeable people know about duds, how they are caused, how to avoid, and how to spot. I could look through 1000 vegging plants and pick out any dud plants or dud branches within seconds. ( usually very few, like 1 in 300-500 or so to give you an example)

Go grab a small branch on the dud half of your gg4 and I bet it will break off with very little resistance, then grab one from your non dud half and I bet it will have much more resistance.

Again I'm not here to argue with someone who simply doesn't know what they are taking about. Good luck with your little bitch ass 10 lighter or whatever you are running.

I don't know Bill but he is dead on the duds, I have only had one plant dud on me over the years, sour dub, storm shadow swears its effects from BM but I have to disagree, now that the gg4 is doing the same thing I have to think its got to be something in the sour dub that causes this because gg4 came from seeds. I have had sour dub plants with a couple dud branches to full whole plant duds, what is real confusing is some growers have never had a problem with sour dub and others do, they all came from the same original mom so why doesent all of them do it? something has to trigger it imo.

a question for Bill? look at stoneys plants he just flipped, do you see duds in those pic's? they look perfectly healthy to me.

 

[Storm Shadow]

I already know what it is Josey...

SmokeTrees aka Jeff Spicoli was one of the first dudes online I knew had DUD syndrome... it was on an OG Kush that he posted only black and white photos of.. reason why? because that shit went El DuD O... this was way before the Sour Dub came out... OG Kushes are prone to this shit and so are Chems... that line is super tainted when it comes to this disease...

 

[Storm Shadow]

Once the plant is infected it can be spread without the assistance of any vectors...

Cannabis Ebola in a sense... it genes are altered and yes it can be passed on through seeds