Golden Tiger

[farmerlion]

Great read, I will let my lone female go longer now. Providing I don't run out of space(height). Dubi thank you for how much your willing to share with your customers. I'm new to sativas myself and am loving the challenges they present. I don't have any GT that may have to change before spring. May bump summer grow up 10 plants.
Hell Dubi I've never met you and you may be a bad influence on me. hehehe
Thanks! I think?...

 

[LostTribe]

I envy all you guys growing these pure landrace sativa indoors so much I think its time to give a few a try in a tent by themselves with one of my extra lights I am not using....

 

[nukklehead]

I envy all you guys growing these pure landrace sativa indoors so much I think its time to give a few a try in a tent by themselves with one of my extra lights I am not using....

Go for it lost.. Im just being a whiny B***.. All mine are looking good they are just slow.. senascense (sp?) is setting in on mine and Im sure they are going to do fine... make sure time is on your side.. Im like 10 years old the night before xmas if you know what I mean.. lol..

 

[LostTribe]

Yes for sure you must be very patient with longer flowering strains as a week or 2 can truly affect potency and type of high a great deal.

If you have waited this long already what a few more days if you are trying for the best of the best? If you have to just pick one small bud and let it dry for a taste.

 

[justabluez]

Yes for sure you must be very patient with longer flowering strains as a week or 2 can truly affect potency and type of high a great deal.

If you have waited this long already what a few more days if you are trying for the best of the best? If you have to just pick one small bud and let it dry for a taste.

I agree!! Don't be IMPATIENT like me!!!! Next time I will let the GT go all the way!!

 

[Collembola]

can someone please explain the "overmaturation", increasing potency ?

letting them go 2 weeks extra, on what you would think ?

is it just that the harvest window is so large, and flowering long, that it is reccommended, to ensure trichomes have swelled ?

i don't get the "OVER"[mature] bit ?, sounds counter-intuitive ?

thankyou for any help

 

[Tangwena]

IMO the resins degrade and change as the plant ages, it is the combination of all the new. partialy and fully degraded resins and oils that give the wonderful effects we seek.
Just as when after harvest the curing also changes the above the longer it is aged.
I have found freshly dried/cured bud stoney, then after 6 months trippy.
The more complex a combination of oils and resins you have at the start the more complex the high at the end, you get this from late harvest in the first place.
These are just my observations no science to back it up just getting high and loving it.
Tangwena

 

[Collembola]

The more complex a combination of oils and resins you have at the start the more complex the high at the end, you get this from late harvest in the first place.

and CBN ? THC degradation etc ?

also if by "oils and resins" you mean terpenes ??

then they IMHE are more prevalent, in full flower, prior to peak, THC, harvest ?

 

[yesum]

The latest I have read is the trichs going amber is not thc degrading but terpenes and other stuff changing. I agree it is best to let the sativas go the extra bit and with indicas I take them a bit early.

With sativas it tends to take the edge off the high going longer and the indicas early makes them a bit less tiring.

 

[Tangwena]

and CBN ? THC degradation etc ?

also if by "oils and resins" you mean terpenes ??

then they IMHE are more prevalent, in full flower, prior to peak, THC, harvest ?

Yes that is what I meant, the interaction between all the different components is what seems to build the high, curing can IMO change the ballance of each which in turn effects the high.
This is only my opinion it works well for me and i like to get very high not stoned couch locked. If i let my sativas go as long as possible i find after a long curing the high is more intense and longer lasting, which is to my taste.
Lots of other people also let their sativas go long to good results.
Saying that not all sativas are equal and weak sats will still be weak but a little stronger if that makes sense. I have had a lot of majut sativas they are not all going to benefit, some cannot be helped no matter what you do.
Tangwena

 

[Collembola]

thankyou,

but i still don't understand,

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like fruit > underipe (OK), peak ripeness GOOD (as smell is taste), over ripe (smell and taste gone mushy) > worse then under ripe

and then,

why would plants attract insects with terpenes, build their compounds, cannabinoids POST fertility, pending death ???.

plants can not maintain their cells, trichomes degrade

???

i have completely "ruined" (melodrama...), some strains by letting them go just a little over ?, the flowers always seem inferior.

thanks

 

[ChaosCatalunya]

thankyou,

but i still don't understand,

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like fruit > underipe (OK), peak ripeness GOOD (as smell is taste), over ripe (smell and taste gone mushy) > worse then under ripe

and then,

why would plants attract insects with terpenes, build their compounds, cannabinoids POST fertility, pending death ???.

plants can not maintain their cells, trichomes degrade

???

i have completely "ruined" (melodrama...), some strains by letting them go just a little over ?, the flowers always seem inferior.

thanks

I think Tangwena is spot on, like him I have no scientific evidence, just a hunch based on some knowledge and a lot of observation.

Technically what happens I believe, is that THC degrades to CBN, but more THC matures,so the plant has a stronger, more narcotic effect, but all strains,gardens, harvests can differ

I really recommend some staged harvesting and thorough testing... Take photographs of clearly labeled samples and peruse at your leisure. Here we have some of our dearly missed friend Hazy Lady's C99xHaze (tom hill) taken 10 says apart

 

[Collembola]

you can't compare 2 different floral clusters, from different parts of the plant, you can't tell potency from pictures (although you can a propensity for trichome production, relative to genetics / or atleast the individual plants on display....)

THC doesn't "mature"

trichomes "swell", with thc, etc this is why the get bulbous, this is a slow process.

a trichome has a capacity, when it is "full" / "ripe" > max thc, it is DONE, next it will degrade > plants like humans can only maintain celluar structure for so long... marijuana is generally an annual...........................

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so WHY DOES GOLDEN TIGER allegedly benefit from degradation ?,

because i know if i spend, what 15 weeks caring for a plant whilst it flowers > that sounds a bit stupid to be honest ?, like ruining all the hard work and patience ?

thanks!

 

[MostlyMe]

If i let my sativas go as long as possible i find after a long curing the high is more intense and longer lasting, which is to my taste.

As I posted earlier in another thread, this is exactly the opposite of my experience. My freshly dried buds may not be the smoothest to smoke, but the experience is intense and immersive. As they cure, the intensity fades and the high mellows. I like both, but it bugs me the truly crazy sativa effect are only available to me for about a month after a harvest and subsequent drying.

I've been looking at vacuum storage actually, after seeing your thread on the Malawi style cure. Just storing in the freezer doesn't help

 

[Tangwena]

Hi Collembola your use of fruit is not valid as you do not smoke fruit or get high from it.
IMO it is not just the THC that gets you high. its a combo of all the terps and resins and their quantities and proportions present.
The older cultures have been curing their buds for thousands of years so I will always follow their lead. I dont need a rime or reason why an effect occurs I can tell by the taste and effect it has on me.
Everyone is different I go my way others go theirs, as long as you are happy with what you grow thats all that matters. Best growing.
Tangwena

 

[Collembola]

as far as i am aware (sorry if mistaken); i haven't said anything about the "high" just peak ripeness [of trichomes] ????, relative to golden tiger, relative to people suggesting, to let THC degrade ?

i haven't said anything about curing ???

THC is the main psychoactive cannabinoid, as far as i am aware (???)

> if you don't want / like peak, THC levels ?

then maybe you might like try smoking fruit instead ?????,

 

[yoss33]

I personally like the early harvest's fire and energy in the effect, both with sativas and indicas, though I'm a bit hesitant with the words "early" and "late". Maybe everyone has his own idea when the "moment" of "ripeness" is It is impossible to measure, at least without a lab. Even our common modern definitions that go like "when trichomes become cloudy" are too simple and, besides, free for personal interpretations, even with pictures. I guess everyone considers not only the trichome under lens but also smell, plant health and progress and perhaps many other things. I personally value smell more than trichome looks - if it smells strong and fresh, it's still developing. For me, the "perfect" early harvest is when I feel the the smell starts to progresses from fresh to more earthy. There is no point when a trichome "becomes" ripe because, yes, there's a peak in production, but degrading occurs right from the start - the moment there is something to degrade. So, it all comes down to how "pure" you want your cannabinoids Very early harvest for not many cannabinoids but no degraded ones at all, then the degraded ones accumulate but this accumulation is mostly compensated by the newly-produced cannabinoids up to when the plant loses pace in the production and from then on the ratio degraded/fresh increases steadily. Every cannabinoid has different rate of degradation, maybe of production also, so the ratio between precursors (maybe participating in psychoactivity), cannabinoids and degraded products changes with maturation and then continues to change with curing. It's a complex process like every process in reality, and we still don't know much But of course, it's important that each one of us finds what works best for him/herself Trying staged harvesting or harvesting a big plant (with buds at all stages of flowering) is what should be done.
I haven't tried Golden Tiger but I've tried several Zamaldelica phenos and for me the real trip with these Africans is with the early harvest - some phenos give me such an initial rush of energy it feels amazing.

 

[Dr.King]

As I posted earlier in another thread, this is exactly the opposite of my experience. My freshly dried buds may not be the smoothest to smoke, but the experience is intense and immersive. As they cure, the intensity fades and the high mellows. I like both, but it bugs me the truly crazy sativa effect are only available to me for about a month after a harvest and subsequent drying.

I've been looking at vacuum storage actually, after seeing your thread on the Malawi style cure. Just storing in the freezer doesn't help

We are on the same page no worries. I guess this also depends on the person, strain and other factors. Sorry I should have mentioned in my last post that the OTH pheno I got had the same effects the entire way through curing. The only thing that changed was the smell/taste which got more hazey and heavy spices. Might just be my perfect strain but all I know is it's my holy grail . I have noticed too the cure for other Sativas that make them more mellow. Dubi recommends to smoke them up before 6 months for the best effects. Probably due to the facts we are all pointing out.

 

[justabluez]

Golden Tiger grow/smoke report
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ok, here we go.

GT was an easy plant to grow. I veg'd for a little less than 1 month, and let her go to about 10 weeks 11/13. Based on what I got from reading the forums, I should have probably let her go another couple weeks. However, when I looked at the bud before I chopped, Mostly all of the trichs were MILKY/Cloudy white, and the Bud was about 80% swollen. It had a few white hairs and I could tell that she needed a bit more time to finish up. I believe I had the Short flowering Malawi phenol. So based on all that I've read about people being blown away by the potency in a non enjoyable way, I decided to pull a little early, just to see if it will make a difference....even though I have nothing to compare it to other than words.....

The GT bud is quite hairy. It looks like a weed. The smell is very LOUD and POTENT. Cant really describe the smell, but it sort of smells like strong chemicals. The smell alone will make you a little light headed. When I open the Jar, the entire house reeks of the smell. Pretty loud smell.

I broke some up, and put in the vaporizer....Now I'm about to fire that baby up... I figured I would do this report in real time also....However, I must admit that the smell has already given me a little buzz, and I have not even taken a toke yet....

Firing up the vaporizer on lowest setting....Dry toke has a fruity kind of taste. I can tell that the bud needs more time to cure. It still seems a little wet. Interesting smell...can't put my finger on it...

...one toke, two toke, three....
smooth....thick vapor....
....four toke, five toke,....six toke.....

ok, I can feel it creeping up. I can feel it in the eyes. I can feel the energy building up.

-- vaporizer off..

ok, so the GT also has that UP, clear, kind of high, but I can also feel a "chill" side. When I look at my hands as I type, they seem farther away a bit, like maybe my depth perception has changed. I can see how once this cures a bit, it will probably have a bit of a trippy edge. I feel like I'm typing at 100 mph or something. Yes, this one is a bit different than all the rest. It seems to do a bit more to your senses. I can hear everything, and see everything.....sort of introspective. Not Jitty or anxious or extra happy. Just chill minded, with some euphoria, and more laid back-ness. I don't feel like getting up and moving around......YET. All I want to do is just sit here and chill.....so maybe this one has more of a HEAVIER kind of high as opposed to the PANAMA that has a more energetic kind of high. Yep, this one seems to just make me calm. However, its only a few days old, and I pulled it a bit early......

Overall, I like the buzz. Definitely feels more like a STONE than a Sativa BUZZ.....I will do another sample in a week or so, and if the Buzz stays in this rhelm, then this will probably be a strain that I use in the evening. I can't call this one a "Daytime" strain. However, if you are the type of person that likes to have that "BEER" kind of buzz during the day, then this phenol would work perfectly.

I'm sure the more "Meao thai" leaning phenols have a more energetic/uplifting buzz. This one seems more Malawi Stoner weed, which is still good, but will probably be in my night-time stash...

--- oh, now it seems like the HI is increasing...Its possible that this one is just a creeper!!!!

In Conclusion:

I can say that I recommend exploring the possibilities of ACE Golden Tiger. Its one to add to the stash! Easy to grow, but may require patience to harvest correctly for optimal HI. Also may require a phenol hunt.

 

[Holeshot]

Golden Tiger

Here she is in all her glory. Flowered 1/10/15 . All milky and a lot of Amber . Smells awesome.