Gettin the Hands Dirty: Mother Search 2021

[DunHav`nFun]

Hey bro.......Headed to the lake house for the 4th and gotta stop and get fireworks cuz #1 son asked , so he shall receive.......I plan on doin some night fishin for my favorite species , landlocked saltwater stripers........Got my pontoon boat rigged out with stainless rod holders , big ass round bait tank to hold huge threadfin and gizzard shad (their main diet), brand new Garmin Livescope electronics that actually shows exact pictures underneath and 360 degrees around the boat with a touch screen.....fish show up as fish and not blips on the screen to be interpreted , and all structure exactly as it is.....way cool....so...gonna be outta pocket due to no internet at my place which does`nt bother me at all btw....why ?.....cuz I`ll be fishin , smokin meat , and blowin shit up.....fireworks that is.....LOL......anyways......

All I ever used was cheapass rootone powder and made my cuts on the angle with sterilized Xacto knives.......As stated above , put your finger over your drain holes and fill em up .....let the perlite get good and soaked then drain em out......I used a lil 1/4" wood dowel to punch the holes ( anything will work) , then gently squeezed the perlite around the cuts so as not knock the powder off , although it`s gonna happen just try to be careful......actually , I don`t see why gel wouldn`t be better if you already have it , it`s just I`m a tight ass and havin to root over 500 cuts for all 4 locations would get costly with that fancy gel shit so.....you catch the drift.....just make sure you keep the cuts above the rez hole or they` ll never root in a timely manner .......especially with perpetual rotations .....and that`s about it......

Can ` t start my project at the beach till Oct . , decided not to waste money on a RV cuz I`ve got 6 months to finish before spring break rolls around and they kick me outta my own damn house for renters....LOL....but.....I don`t mind the extra $2500 a week ya heard?......Most of it goes to outrageous hurricane insurance and property taxes , but the house and property `s been paid for over 20 yrs , so .......Nuff outta my old ass this day , time to load up and hit the road , so take care and ......

Peace.....DHF.............

 

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Hey bro.......Headed to the lake house for the 4th and gotta stop and get fireworks cuz #1 son asked , so he shall receive.......I plan on doin some night fishin for my favorite species , landlocked saltwater stripers........Got my pontoon boat rigged out with stainless rod holders , big ass round bait tank to hold huge threadfin and gizzard shad (their main diet), brand new Garmin Livescope electronics that actually shows exact pictures underneath and 360 degrees around the boat with a touch screen.....fish show up as fish and not blips on the screen to be interpreted , and all structure exactly as it is.....way cool....so...gonna be outta pocket due to no internet at my place which does`nt bother me at all btw....why ?.....cuz I`ll be fishin , smokin meat , and blowin shit up.....fireworks that is.....LOL......anyways......

All I ever used was cheapass rootone powder and made my cuts on the angle with sterilized Xacto knives.......As stated above , put your finger over your drain holes and fill em up .....let the perlite get good and soaked then drain em out......I used a lil 1/4" wood dowel to punch the holes ( anything will work) , then gently squeezed the perlite around the cuts so as not knock the powder off , although it`s gonna happen just try to be careful......actually , I don`t see why gel wouldn`t be better if you already have it , it`s just I`m a tight ass and havin to root over 500 cuts for all 4 locations would get costly with that fancy gel shit so.....you catch the drift.....just make sure you keep the cuts above the rez hole or they` ll never root in a timely manner .......especially with perpetual rotations .....and that`s about it......

Can ` t start my project at the beach till Oct . , decided not to waste money on a RV cuz I`ve got 6 months to finish before spring break rolls around and they kick me outta my own damn house for renters....LOL....but.....I don`t mind the extra $2500 a week ya heard?......Most of it goes to outrageous hurricane insurance and property taxes , but the house and property `s been paid for over 20 yrs , so .......Nuff outta my old ass this day , time to load up and hit the road , so take care and ......

Peace.....DHF.............

Hahaha.... the garmin is awesome. no more wondering if it is an old shoe or a fish....or a plant... good stuff. I actually don't have gel or powder.... I have dip and grow for right after the cut, and hormex if I want a liquid solution.... so if I use powder or gel, which sounds like powder, I'd have to buy it. I'll start by trying just dip and grow since it is super concentrated. each batch is good for every cloning session. If I go the hormex rout, it would just be added to my phed water/light nutes (which we still haven't discussed the ppm of. I assume 4-500 is fine)

Anyway, have a great holiday and hit me up when you get back... Thanks Freds!

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[DunHav`nFun]

Hey bro......Hadta come back home to get some rest....lol......#1 son`s an animal and kept me doin somethin constantly while I was tryin to stay on the water and catch some damn fish , but nooooo.....4 wheelin , seadoo`in , axe throwin , cornhole tournaments with all his warrior buddies , I mean fuuuuuck.......and then I hadta cook for their carniverous ass all weekend.....sent the `ol lady to the grocery store 3 times in 4 days.....sheesh......anyways.....Sorry I forgot the ppm question but I always just used 1/2 strength shit when I was rootin cuts , so maybe 300-ish? till they started growin legs , then I bumped it up to help em blast off.....aight....

Back at the farm and chillin with nobody here but me , the `ol lady and the dawgs......well.....plenty of cows and a few pigs and chickens runnin around.....Damn....the old man down the road sure knows howta grow a bad ass organic veggie garden , although with all the cowshit and compost layin around on these 52 acres , it ain`t hard to grow a good garden......aight.....gonna wait for it to cool off a lil bit and walk the dawgs down to the pond and catch some catfish for supper.....mmmm....... blackened catfish on the grill with all the fixins ....yum....Take care and....

Peace.....DHF.............

 

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I set up my 9 bulb t5 to initiate more rapid growth in one of my back units. It also has twin rooms that are perfect for flip rooms. We will get to that at the right time. Here is the setup as it stands:

 

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The state of the union, so to speak...

 

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So I have a few changes to report....

Since the clones waiting to root are taking so much room under my 9 bulb t5, I have decided to add my 9 bulb t8 to root clones under. This way I can root clones using 8oz perlite-only mini-hempies, then transplant them into 22 oz cups to stack some nodes under the t5. After that, I can utilize my verticle rack setup that we were developing last time to flower. We are shooting for an average of 1oz per plant, or over. It will be a process to try and find the right size and shape to put into flower in order to reach my goal of 1+ oz/plant average. Not only that, but which strains are going to be those yielders. I think 12-14" Christmas trees is the shape, going into flower...

However, the first couple runs will be smaller while moms mature and grow. The clones in the rapid rooters will be planted in soil for a couple reasons. First, since I am keeping the moms in soil, I already have the soil. Secondly, and most importantly, I am sourcing the best coco in my new area. So I will transplant all rapid rooter plugs to soil 22 oz cups today, then all perlite clones will go into coco.

This first picture is of the mothers right after I took clones last night and defoliated a bit to expose lower nodes to more light so they can be clones too. Now that they are pretty bare, I will let them recuperate and bush out for two weeks so that the transplanted clones can stack nodes and prepare to flower. Then behind that group will be the rapid rooters that I am transplanting today. They all look healthy after two weeks, so I am just going to plant them all and flower whatever is ready in two weeks. The ones rapid rooters that are not ready can continue to get ready as the perlite clones pictured above root and get transplanted.

Anyway, here are the mothers:

You can see that the sour diesels are lighter green. I believe that this is because they like a lower ph to make iron more available.

This next picture is the transplanted clones, the clones that will be transplanted today, and overflow cuttings taken yesterday.

There are 14 already transplanted rooted clones in the 22 oz cups here. They will be the first wave, along with two that are vegging vertically alongside my freebie autos, which are flowering under 24/7 cmh vertical bare bulb. That will give me 16 going into flower for the first wave. While I do not fully expect to hit my 1 oz + per plant on the first wave, I am still going to shoot for it. The second wave will be whichever of the 32 rapid rooter/jiffy pellets are ready. I expect that most of them will be ready since it will be 2 weeks while the first wave gets ready, then 2 more weeks while they stack nodes and get ready. And in the meanwhile, the first batch of perlite clones pictured in my last post (the left side of my clone factory pictured below) will be stacking nodes. They should be rooted in the next few days and go straight into coco.


Here is my clone factory. The original perlite clones are about a week into rooting already. They are on the left side of the canyon in the cuts. The ones on the right are the ones I took yesterday.

so that is 20 in the first wave and 64 on the right from yesterday, plus the overflow pictured above, which are another 14. I expect to divide the cuts from yesterday into two waves, though I will flower everything that is ready. If I take cuts every two weeks, it should be a good little clone factory. Also, as I find the yielders and quality I'm looking for, I will cull unworthy mothers.

 

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Back in post 45 you can see my two tallest clones were BB1 and OC2. Not long after I posted that, perhaps same day or next day, I moved those two into the room that I will be flowering in eventually (one of the flip rooms). I already had the autoflowers flowering on 24/7 and I wanted to see how much more vertical height I could add before they started bushing out everywhere. So, I am about 5 days into vegging them vertically and they look like this:

This made me feel good, so today I added a few more that will be for the first wave. Those are these 6:

And this little girl here:

I arranged them around in between the autos, which are budding up pretty nicely....that tall leafy AK started flowering well after the others...

I am going to veg them for two weeks this way and see what we are looking at as far as a good size to switch to vertical lighting and a good size to flower. I am trying to keep everything on a 2 week cycle right now...

 

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Okay, update time. I have been under the weather for a few days, so this will be a comprehensive update. The first few pictures will be of the flowering autos with the first wave of clones that are currently vegging vertically so that I could make room for the next couple of waves to veg horizontally and get some nodes stacked.

Here are some pictures from around the campfire, so to speak.

That leafy-ass sone of a gun is an AK. It was the last plant to begin flowering, so it still has well over a month to go.

Now here is the perlite hempy clone factory:

The next couple waves of rooted clones, which will stack for around a month if we have two weeks until the first wave that is vegging vertically goes into flower, then two weeks of verticle veg for the next wave...etc...

then the moms:

there we go... that is about it...

 

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Okay, big day today. My freebie autos are getting frosty and dense... I transplanted my clones that were vegging vert, and a couple horizontal veggers that will make up my first wave. Also, I got my vert racks set up and the first wave of clones in there... they are all different sizes, so they will give me a range of yields that will help determine how big to start them at. I dedicate this to you Freds...finally got the quad rack experiment under way.

I transplanted the clones to their final homes, removed the suckers, and opened them up a bit with some fan removal. I will let them veg for about a week now before flipping the rack...

That is the auto magnum freebie...it is on the plant I call the christmas tree, which is glistening from top to bottom with denseness....

Here is the first full rack...

Here is my overflow rack:

as the light warms up...

And here are the autos as their light warms up next door...

 

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I wanted to take a second and show how they are stretching into their new homes on the rack, as well as show the autos up close with about 3 weeks to go.

first, the bottom row

Next, the top row:

Now the second rack:

Now the Christmas tree top, then the dense bottom nuggage:

Now the double donkey dick:

I don't really have a clever nickname for this one:

And the big, leafy fucker. This one is a week or so behind the others... so perhaps a month or a bit more left:

 

[DunHav`nFun]

Hey Bro......Been busy at the farm with all the damn heat compounded with all the fuckin rain that turns everything to steam afterward , needless to say my little corner of Hell`s been quite miserable for the last couple months . My veggie garden that most of get`s donated to the local food bank for them what ain`t got much is pitiful to say the least . Maters , peppers ,beans and corn hate stayin wet and all the melons are rottin on the vine.....Okra`s doin aight but that don`t feed many so I`m pissed to say the least , but nuff of my bullshit...........Good to see you been busy watchin paint dry waiitin on babies to get big enough to flip , and hey......I like them lil auto bitches you got goin....too bad you can`t clone them fuckers once a good yielder`s found ya know ?.....anyways.....the racks......

As you stated above , there`s no tellin what kinda yields from each plant`s gonna pull at this point in the game , but they look kinda small to my old ass but whadda I know..........only 1 wayta find out and since you`ve already flipped em , now it`s just a wait and see kinda thingy.........time will tell , and looks like you got plenty of toys to play with in the pursuit of findin keepers to keep the ball rollin and increasin returns every run in the quest for dialage ya heard ?.....soooo......Keep us updated and hopefully all will fall into place down the road that twists and turns for a lotta folks , but those that follow the rules and keep shit simple get there ahead of the rest always.....guaranteed.....How` d your lil Hempy cloners turn out.....Did you keep the bottom rez`s flushed and swapped out to keep stagnant water from formin ?.....hopefully once they started growin legs and dryin out it wasn`t a problem.....aight......

Ol lady`s callin me to supper so I`ll check in on ya when shit starts gettin real , and as always......get back to work and keep strokin.............

Peace.....DHF...........

 

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Hey Bro......Been busy at the farm with all the damn heat compounded with all the fuckin rain that turns everything to steam afterward , needless to say my little corner of Hell`s been quite miserable for the last couple months . My veggie garden that most of get`s donated to the local food bank for them what ain`t got much is pitiful to say the least . Maters , peppers ,beans and corn hate stayin wet and all the melons are rottin on the vine.....Okra`s doin aight but that don`t feed many so I`m pissed to say the least , but nuff of my bullshit...........Good to see you been busy watchin paint dry waiitin on babies to get big enough to flip , and hey......I like them lil auto bitches you got goin....too bad you can`t clone them fuckers once a good yielder`s found ya know ?.....anyways.....the racks......

As you stated above , there`s no tellin what kinda yields from each plant`s gonna pull at this point in the game , but they look kinda small to my old ass but whadda I know..........only 1 wayta find out and since you`ve already flipped em , now it`s just a wait and see kinda thingy.........time will tell , and looks like you got plenty of toys to play with in the pursuit of findin keepers to keep the ball rollin and increasin returns every run in the quest for dialage ya heard ?.....soooo......Keep us updated and hopefully all will fall into place down the road that twists and turns for a lotta folks , but those that follow the rules and keep shit simple get there ahead of the rest always.....guaranteed.....How` d your lil Hempy cloners turn out.....Did you keep the bottom rez`s flushed and swapped out to keep stagnant water from formin ?.....hopefully once they started growin legs and dryin out it wasn`t a problem.....aight......

Ol lady`s callin me to supper so I`ll check in on ya when shit starts gettin real , and as always......get back to work and keep strokin.............

Peace.....DHF...........

He lives!! Haha sorry to hear about the veggie haul...it's been raining like a mofo here too, no break... luckily I don't have anything outside...but a greenhouse outside is a must here because it rains a lot during half the year...

I was surprised at the yield from the auto Magnum... they were just freebies in a seed order, but it is the one I call the Christmas tree and she's a yielder... below this post I'll post the pic of when I had just put the autos outside, before I set up the vertical light... You will see how small those fuckers were when they had already started shooting pistils inside for a week or so before I put them out... The biggest one (the leafy fckr) didn't even start to flower until it was in the vert room already.

As for the height... I was thinking anything over a foot tall would be a good size to flower in order to get my oz+ that I'm looking for per plant...so I had about 4 of those...the other six were just from the same batch and I figured I'd throw them into flower rather than veg them two more weeks... and just see what they do... minimum, it will give me an idea of which mothers will be keepers..I have too many right now... Even the smallest ones I put into flower are as big or bigger than a couple of the autos were when they started shooting pistils, so hopefully, after a 2-3x stretch, they will be over 2'. Time will tell.

As for the perlite hempy clones....it was a learning experience... I did a lot of things to f- it up, but I still managed about 34 keepers... This time I will mist more, keep the light much higher, and not let them dry out all the way...the light was so close that the water evaporated and was gone in 3 days...so I by the time I checked it....bone dry... I have proof it works though because some had great white root explosions... I just neglected them when I got sick. I'll be takin cuts tonight for round two of the perlite hempies.

I transplanted all the rooted cuts into 22oz clear cups with coco, so that part will be off the ground...and the next round is looking like it will be at least 20 plants... we will see how they look after about two weeks of veg time.

How tall were yours going into flower again, like 16"?

Thanks for stopping by Freds, it is always appreciated...

These three, I think, are about the size I'm looking for to flip at...around 14"

 

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​Here were the autos when they already had started flowering inside. When
I had just put them on the balcony... notice how small they were:
I think all the plants pictured match up pretty well with those, so we will see how close to a zip the autos put out... The first one down... looks like it will be well under a half a zip... we will see after another few days of drying... but they came in at just under 13g on day 4 of drying with some stem still on them....so maybe around 10-11g when fully dry and ready.

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Today was clone day....well, the last two days... I have the next two waves vegging....the final soil and the first coco wave I defoliated some to let the nodes develop a bit. the taller ones in saoil are starting their two-week veg until flower, which gives the cocos a month to veg... Then my lil hempy clones, I took 80... so they are going to root for two weeks before I take clones again. That will give the moms a chance to regroup and I'll up pot them...

The clones from this batch will have two weeks to root, then a month to veg before flower. I took bigger cuts this time so hopefully, I can get them good-sized in that time so that I can yield a zip per plant.... Time will tell....

Here's the proof....next couple of waves (waves 2 and 3) of vegging clones and then the fresh cuts for the 4th and 5th waves...

 

[DunHav`nFun]

Hey bro......Wayta stay ahead of the ball game by takin way more cuts than you need , as well as takin bigger cuts for stronger , healthier , faster growin lil bitchlets............now.....W hen I took cuts of my clone only Chem D , I always used 2' 40 watt florescent shop lights in my lil cabs I built and left the lights at least a couple ft above em with the leaves snipped to help promote growth beneath the surface instead of too much direct light that promotes foliage growth and confuses the lil fuckers ok ?.....Once they grew sufficient legs I`d put em down on the next level under the 4'-8 bulb T-5`s and drop the fixtures dead ass down almost touchin em to stop any stretch whatsoever and force em to stack lateral nodes and branches......then......after they had sufficient growth underneath , I`d raise the lights little by little to get more top leads that did well to develop my lil Xmas trees for the flip......Once they got 18-20" tall after couple weeks or so I`d put em in the racks with the 3 stacked bare bulbs and they`d fuckin explode with lateral as well as vertical growth toward the light stimuli....and since they had 50 watts per square ft blastin at em , they generally never stretched more than a ft-16" and ended up right around 32-36" tall by end of stretch ......and hey.....never more than 42-44 grams dry and ready to sack up , so I`d say you`ve got some experimentin to do to find which ones act right and yield accordingly to start your end of the line rotations where you can pull harvey`s perpetually every 4-5 weeks depending on how many different rooms you set up..anyways....that`s about it cuz this site`s fucked up my post and I have no clue if I can go back and fix it format wise with a quick edit.....Take care and keep up the good work....believe me it pays off in the end so....

Peace.....DHF...........

Oh this is bullshit.....everythings startin out on the right side and I can`t space out paragraphs or start a sentence on the left side as in normal format.....anyways....sorry for everything jumbled together , but you get the drift......later bro......

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Hey bro......Wayta stay ahead of the ball game by takin way more cuts than you need , as well as takin bigger cuts for stronger , healthier , faster growin lil bitchlets............now.....W hen I took cuts of my clone only Chem D , I always used 2' 40 watt florescent shop lights in my lil cabs I built and left the lights at least a couple ft above em with the leaves snipped to help promote growth beneath the surface instead of too much direct light that promotes foliage growth and confuses the lil fuckers ok ?.....Once they grew sufficient legs I`d put em down on the next level under the 4'-8 bulb T-5`s and drop the fixtures dead ass down almost touchin em to stop any stretch whatsoever and force em to stack lateral nodes and branches......then......after they had sufficient growth underneath , I`d raise the lights little by little to get more top leads that did well to develop my lil Xmas trees for the flip......Once they got 18-20" tall after couple weeks or so I`d put em in the racks with the 3 stacked bare bulbs and they`d fuckin explode with lateral as well as vertical growth toward the light stimuli....and since they had 50 watts per square ft blastin at em , they generally never stretched more than a ft-16" and ended up right around 32-36" tall by end of stretch ......and hey.....never more than 42-44 grams dry and ready to sack up , so I`d say you`ve got some experimentin to do to find which ones act right and yield accordingly to start your end of the line rotations where you can pull harvey`s perpetually every 4-5 weeks depending on how many different rooms you set up..anyways....that`s about it cuz this site`s fucked up my post and I have no clue if I can go back and fix it format wise with a quick edit.....Take care and keep up the good work....believe me it pays off in the end so....

Peace.....DHF...........

Oh this is bullshit.....everythings startin out on the right side and I can`t space out paragraphs or start a sentence on the left side as in normal format.....anyways....sorry for everything jumbled together , but you get the drift......later bro......​

Well, the formatting be damned. The information is all I care about, and it's full of it. I raised by 9 bulb t8 up around 2', but perhaps I should raise it higher... Yeah...I figured take as many clones as I can and start vegging everything that roots... then as they get to the height I need, put them into flower regardless of how long it takes. Shit. you put them in way taller than I thought 18-20"....no wonder mine looked so small to you lol. My memory must have gotten fucked up, which happens regularly. I had in my head that they were a ft. to 16" tall when you put them in, but they stretched 12-16" more after you put them in... that must be where I got it crossed up... I will let these bitches get taller before I put them in regardless of my schedule. I was trying to keep it at about 2 week cycles. the way I have the set up for the quads, that is 32 plants per quad with just one light bulb I can add two more stories if I want to stack the bulbs.

I was planning on 28g/plant, but I would much rather have 40 lol. I figured 32 plants @ a zip each would be 2lbs per harvey, so 5 quads would easily make that 2 lbs every two weeks... If I bumped it up to around a zip and a half, then that would give me more like 3lbs ber harvey... I like the sound of that, but hey, that is the dialage part. I want to keep just a couple strains that yield big, dense, frosties, then dial in that setup for max yield and efficiency. Since I am going with less is more nutes, 550-700ppm, then I should be able to run a couple similar strains without any problems. I've already got 2 waves vegging and 2 more rooting... so I should be hoonin before too long....a few months... Thanks as usual for stopping by and dropping that wisdom brother...

 

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Just figured I'd throw a little update about the how the racks are filling in with another week left of stretch to go... I harvested all the autos now... so here they go:

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Hey Freds,

When you made your flip rooms, did you just have a ballast on 24/7 and have the lamp cords on a 12 hour timed relay, or what? How easy is it to do, and is there a good thread that you know of that can show it simple, or should I just use a sticky from the lighting forum?

 

[DunHav`nFun]

Hey Freds,

When you made your flip rooms, did you just have a ballast on 24/7 and have the lamp cords on a 12 hour timed relay, or what? How easy is it to do, and is there a good thread that you know of that can show it simple, or should I just use a sticky from the lighting forum?

Heath made an excellent thread/tutorial on how to make a flip box controller to save cash on ballasts and timers , but if you can find it is a totally different story , so I suppose the stickies in lighting forum are a good place to start......me ?......My old ass is/was old school and used a separate ballast and intermatic timer for each flip room........Those auto`s look good bro.....hope the taste and kick are similar......now.....

We talked about this early on about you gettin some reflectix curtains around those racks to not let any light get past the plants without reflecting back on em.....Seems like I remember you got some on rollers but where they at now my buddy.............anyways..... thanks for the update and grow them lil bitches taller and and more filled out next run for increased bottom line return on investment.....Take care and.......

Peace.....DHF...........

 

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Heath made an excellent thread/tutorial on how to make a flip box controller to save cash on ballasts and timers , but if you can find it is a totally different story , so I suppose the stickies in lighting forum are a good place to start......me ?......My old ass is/was old school and used a separate ballast and intermatic timer for each flip room........Those auto`s look good bro.....hope the taste and kick are similar......now.....

We talked about this early on about you gettin some reflectix curtains around those racks to not let any light get past the plants without reflecting back on em.....Seems like I remember you got some on rollers but where they at now my buddy.............anyways..... thanks for the update and grow them lil bitches taller and and more filled out next run for increased bottom line return on investment.....Take care and.......

Peace.....DHF...........

Haha...still in the box... about 10 feet from the racks. I am considering putting 18" x 24" plywood on each shelf that is not against the wall. That way I can have two plants back to backing each shelf
I am also looking at adjustable steel prefab 5 tier racks...

I have the ballasts to run the flip rooms with their own ballasts, but I was thinking that 4 lights per room... instead of running 8 ballasts, I could use 4 and use the other 4 somewhere else. I just ordered 10 more cmh... and I already have 3. I also have 4 600w hps and a kw hps lying around... but this is really the only spot on the property that I can run legit flip rooms

well... in the main house, I could do it upstairs. It has 4 bedrooms up there...pretty much all the same size...


Another question... How far apart were your vert bulbs? I'm toying with the idea of about 16-18 inches so I can keep it near the top of the top shelf, and a bit over the top of the bottom shelf... that is running 4 shelves about 16-18" apart...

The AK is fierce on the autos.... the magnum has a kick to it, but it isn't as strong...still good though.

I used about 1/2 oz of mostly AK to give my guy as samples to give 3 of the big dawgs in the big city... They have seen pictures already and are excited, so that is good....I've just got to figure out the right size going in, that will yield me that golden zip...

I put together a vertical pre-flower donut, mostly to give my next couple waves room under the t5 while they get tall enough.... I hung the light well higher than usual to try and promote mover vertical growth, so we will see how that goes. It did good for the first wave... the biggest ones going in are now bushy as hell, but still not really encroaching on their neighbors... 5 days will mark the end of week three and hence, stretching... so at that point I will start removing the fans over the 4th week....then it is all bud growth for 4-5 weeks... so we will see...

this is the 22 oz cups in the preflower donut:

And here are those plants that looked a bit small and scraggly going into flower, but have bushed out fiercely in the first 2 weeks of flower...

And this was them going in for comparison:

they were the first I started with a week of vertical preflower before I flipped them...