Genetics of new G13haze and Amnesia Haze in Holland after 2000's.

[AstroTHC]

Ok here pictures of Original Amnesia 96 from Hy_pro...not today SSH Amnesia.
Closest i smoke to it was Soma seeds selction by Belgo 14 weeks flower time he selcted on 100 seeds from Soma in 07 i think it was 46 fems. plants.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=155339&page=2 link on Belgo cut it is close to original Amnesia 96 hy_pro.

 

[ojd]

I will confirm there was a different clone of Amnesia when it first turned up in Amsterdam many years ago . But when I returned 1 time it was gone and a different Amnesia was being offered at the same shops with the same name.

Also the Amnesia Core cut was mislabled and passed out to many people and before you know it was to late to correct the mistake as it had been passed all around the world.

Soma's G13 Haze male was not a Reeferman X from my understanding .I also used that Male to make many X's and I believe it to be G13 x Haze C Male made by Neville many years ago( 20 years plus) and Neville either gave the seeds to Soma himself or they ended up in his hands and Soma popped them and found this exceptional male( I would swap anything I have for this Male cut again so get in touch if you have it) and Soma made many X's with it and shared it with many breeders.
I believe alot of the early Amnesia were actually Soma's Amneisa Haze x G13 Haze which was only offered for a short time.

The Original Amnesia was much more Sativa and if I didn't know better I would think it was the Amnesia Haze x Soma's G13 Haze Male as that Male was basically all C Haze dominant crazy electric High all Lemon Lime Pine Church.

Long live the Haze and trust me 2020 is going to see something real special from many breeders all dedicated to Neville the don of Haze Schoenmakers ( RIP)


peace

 

[TheDarkStorm]

What hypro sell today is the current version wich is the Afghan x Neville's haze thats a fact...then thers a convenient story theyve come out with to back wat is ther curent seed line...but originaly amnesia wasnt a clone that was bred by them..it was a clone from one seed that they found....rather than believing stories why wud you not believe the people involved at the time moppel is still around on the boards as are others who wer ther at the time....it makes no sense hypro promoting super silver haze now as it isnt ther seed line...an makes perfect sense they wud want to hide the original clones genetics and promote ther curent seed line the afghan x Neville's haze....people love to hide the truth, like mango haze and super silver haze have haze-a in it, wen neither of them do an never have.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

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Thanks for clearing up some of the misinformation ojd...Its no wonder people have no clue wat there looking for or growing with all the misinformation...

 

[TheDarkStorm]

An those pictures above is the same clone we hav around us...but nevils original selections would murder that evryday of the week. Are those pictures even from 96 or 98 or what ever it was ?

 

[AstroTHC]

I will confirm there was a different clone of Amnesia when it first turned up in Amsterdam many years ago . But when I returned 1 time it was gone and a different Amnesia was being offered at the same shops with the same name.

Also the Amnesia Core cut was mislabled and passed out to many people and before you know it was to late to correct the mistake as it had been passed all around the world.

Soma's G13 Haze male was not a Reeferman X from my understanding .I also used that Male to make many X's and I believe it to be G13 x Haze C Male made by Neville many years ago( 20 years plus) and Neville either gave the seeds to Soma himself or they ended up in his hands and Soma popped them and found this exceptional male( I would swap anything I have for this Male cut again so get in touch if you have it) and Soma made many X's with it and shared it with many breeders.
I believe alot of the early Amnesia were actually Soma's Amneisa Haze x G13 Haze which was only offered for a short time.

The Original Amnesia was much more Sativa and if I didn't know better I would think it was the Amnesia Haze x Soma's G13 Haze Male as that Male was basically all C Haze dominant crazy electric High all Lemon Lime Pine Church.

Long live the Haze and trust me 2020 is going to see something real special from many breeders all dedicated to Neville the don of Haze Schoenmakers ( RIP)


peace

It's Amnesia Haze (1998 / 14 wk.) x G13 airborn indica(Reeferman) = Amnesia g13 from Dampkring Amnesia x g13

1) Amnesia H x G13 airborn male = G13-Amnesia F1

2) Amnesia H x F1 sativa male 12 wk. = G13-Am. Haze
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F1 sativa male = 12 wk pheno founded in Amnesia x g13 referman

3) G13-Am. H. x G13 sativa male(Soma) in this step is used Somas and your G13haze = Soma Seeds Amnesia Haze



Just to clarify this referman g13 indica without haze was used before Somas G13haze C male which you breed also with.

Im waiting 20'.

 

[AstroTHC]

What hypro sell today is the current version wich is the Afghan x Neville's haze thats a fact...then thers a convenient story theyve come out with to back wat is ther curent seed line...but originaly amnesia wasnt a clone that was bred by them..it was a clone from one seed that they found....rather than believing stories why wud you not believe the people involved at the time moppel is still around on the boards as are others who wer ther at the time....it makes no sense hypro promoting super silver haze now as it isnt ther seed line...an makes perfect sense they wud want to hide the original clones genetics and promote ther curent seed line the afghan x Neville's haze....people love to hide the truth, like mango haze and super silver haze have haze-a in it, wen neither of them do an never have.

the real deal amnees is a clone only, famous seedlines from hy-pro

and soma are made with this clone-lady to different male-selections.

(no one has real amnesia seeds, all of them are just 50% at best )


.... shared the pure clone with only one of his personal friends, afaik



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USC made a great IBL from hypro's selection (core cut aka. moppel cut).

a true gem in anyones seedstash, i bet they also make fantastic parents.



but it is not the same as the clone .... holds, imo.

1st in your knowing about Amnesia you tell that Karma has good one in this story Karma is Bad one it sister to Core cut bubblegum not aint really Amnesia.

2nd you gave 2 muddy pictures and say i have that cut.

If you have it you are Lucky guy,you gave bad arguments so i think you fake.

Also if Neville Males was c haze dominant x afghan it could be smell like Super Silver Haze .

Peace to All.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Thats ok...im just trying to help you find wat you wanted...so wat ever clones I named wer sugestions...all of which you said wernt wat your looking for...but now youve gone back to hypros afghan x Neville's haze... I hav no horses in this race..nothing to gain or lose...the aim is trying to find wat you consider the best thats all....
When I asked you to comfirm your account of first smoking the cut you desire post 2004 its only so we might be able to help you locate the clone or find out the genetics to recreate this if lost.

 

[AFGHANICA79]

NL5 x Haze A (A5) x 88g13 haze male= Amnesia. Could that explain any bubblegum from it as i recall nevil seemed to think that nl5 or nl5x was or related to bubblegum. Saying that you would burst a bubble if you x nl5 or something, Amnesia to me was always cat piss haze with some being lemony and soaring cerebral almost heart racey high where it took you a long time to finish a joint but amnesia going around has more lemon than cat piss and you could smoke 2 joints in a row with not much cerebral effects.

 

[loyral]

The amnesia core cut is really bland in taste..but extreeeeem easy to grow..it just frost up and stinks of jack pine bubblegum...like varpotek bubblegum imo..i have her around but makes no sense to run her...effect is like smoking ziggs.. its a growers plant, not a smokers friend..



Had a way better amnesia lemon from bf back in 09..
def not breed with acc..seems it was the (soma 10?week ah)sandelwood bho bubblegum foxtail pheno, calyx big like grapes..this al had a heavy cinnamon bho bubblegum flavour like bigred's...


The high was soooo extreem wow id say easy 27%real deal thc..the only thing ever that got me thc swett and a pale face, after 2years it was just too good...


we were all fucked lol, paranoid and i startet feeling the sativa becoming real trippy, slight hallozigen stuff..no joke...


i killed her off....
an insane healthy mother with easy 100 cuts...
i was verry stupid, thought the acc will be the real deal...

..
also had the skunk1 pheno(back than it was listed as: ah x sk1 not ah x Ls like now!)...this skunk1 or cheese was also extreeem spectacular it was ultra fast small yield, with the most intense blue labello vanilla butter lips after taste..


it really did really numb your lips, like full of grease... insane skunk...
by that time i found an artikel, where bf owner said it was ben donkers personel skunk1 pheno and the favorite smoke of his wife...





And friends dont try the bf al..i just bought a seed every other year and its not amnesia haze anymore...its smth like a 8week jh bulk.bunk....

 

[wassupmane]

yeah core cut commercial growers choice .. and allow to go directly in 12/12 schedule with no veg time . straight from the dome in the flower room
2 room in flip flop with 25 plants per 600 watter .. good way to yield a kilo uner each 600 each time

for people who dont have access to elite i woul be a st graal but im with you on that .. the effect is too racy/stress for me, but i stay a very good strain imo ..
i prefer the cheese but way less interesting in commercial aspect

 

[THC123]

Strange, I have had the core cut for many years and here it smells a lot like lemon with sandalwood and spices and something sweet but the lemon smell is dominant. But no bubblegum...

Also I don't think that she is weak at all!!! The thing is that you build up tolerance to her real quick. So she is not for everyday. If I smoke or vape it for one week I don't feel anything. But if I don't use her for a few weeks she really fucks me up in a happy euphoric way.

I get the intense lemon smell especially when I grow her outdoors or in a greenhouse. Indoors the lemon smell is not so strong.

 

[loyral]

Thats cool if you enjoy her do so...
I cant stand that, yes lemon punch smell..


But she is def bubblegummy imo..
i mean thats her only positive thing lol..and the lil sandelwood...


But the ah pheno from the barneys al was in a different galaxy...full of cinnamon sandelwood hazebubblegum from far away...
Thick mildew sensible pistils, that Fell off while hanging and left open honeycomb resin taco calyxes lol...

 

[loyral]

I Think bf Used the hypro cut as their ah soma lol...


Hypro cut looks like where its at..pretty on point, it has that ah foxtail look..
And i think the bubblegum cures away to sandlewood sour pine..



So when moppel found the amnesia was it the core cut or the hypro cut?


If it was the hypro foxtail pheno than what is the acc..



B)And if it was acc they found then the hypro foxtail ergo the ah is a hybrid...


lol is that right?


The question in scenario B. would be why is hypro not growing the acc ?



Answer: they breed the acc x nevilles haze
Thats amnesia hypro cut


And soma than took this cut not the acc and crossed it via g13haze ha!..lol



Just a thought...

 

[HolyGrailP]

Ok here pictures of Original Amnesia 96 from Hy_pro...not today SSH Amnesia.
Closest i smoke to it was Soma seeds selction by Belgo 14 weeks flower time he selcted on 100 seeds from Soma in 07 i think it was 46 fems. plants.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=155339&page=2 link on Belgo cut it is close to original Amnesia 96 hy_pro.

I remember esko and santero mention Core doesn't go over the end of wk8 flowering though. More of Skunk type with sativa expression. Not the full hazey experience.

The core cut I had was short flowering.
But lately, I got another amnesia cut which flowers about 9-10 weeks and clearly smells of lack of hazey punch (sort of sharpy back end) than the shorter flowering one. Also, the one grows more like Sativa. I can say it for sure, I liked the shorter flowering one way more.

There's always a mix of strains and stuff. But I always heard the amnesia core is not the long-flowering one. The repro out of the core cut, which often crosses to other haze lines as a male, tends to show longer flowering. That's how I understood it the whole time.

And I thought HyPro lost quite a credibility in claiming the lineage of Amnesia cause they changed multiple times.

 

[ojd]

What a great bump and read again .


I have some selected cuts I'd like to share into the icmag community, is there any well known icmag.com members who are Haze lovers, those who are willing to accept them and pass them on ( that's the agreement for you to recieve them) I send to you , you veg up and send a cut to 2 other well known members , and everyone who recieves a cut must pass it on to 2 other WELL KNOWN members again and again , if you don't pass it on you won't be included in the next clone drop.

Several phenos of the Outback Haze x NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness, incredible Haze's, showing best traits of the A and C Haze in Taste/High, really special and I don't want these to be wasted.
These are as good as the legendary C5 and A5 dare I say better.

If your a well known icmag.com member and want to help share these Haze treasures get in touch ( ideally would be someone from UK but my mate will send any county ) but we will only share a few cuts and the rest is up to the icmag.com family .

If you ever shared a cut with me and want a cut reach out , il have my mate root and send you a cut

 

[santero]

I remember esko and santero mention Core doesn't go over the end of wk8 flowering though. More of Skunk type with sativa expression. Not the full hazey experience.

that's not entirely correct.
the amnesia haze clone that esko shared to me is the strongest hazesmell and taste
i ever grew so far ... not a5, not c5 compete ... i am not a haze-fan, tho (yeah, i know.)

so, i don't grow her very often. she takes 9 -10 max, very strong effect, paranoia for
most smokers. esko had her from soma's camp before they lost her themselves. he
told me it is the first cupwinner-clone that was used by soma & hypro to make seeds
after the cup, their very first releases. hypro used nevils haze and who knows what soma
did, lol ... in have no horse in this game and actually don't really care about the clone
or the drama around it too much.

if anyone would like to grow some ah x trufflez i made recently = be my guest
most crosses bring out nice phenos, as she often inherits nice traits of herself into her
offspring.

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@ojd
mate, this is such a generous move !
thank you for this. i bet this will make people really, really happy.
i bet they are absolute fire with these amazing genetics combined.

 

[mexcurandero420]

 

[mr.brunch]

Smaller calyxes than I remember

 

[Herbal-Essence]

NL#5 ?? Where did that come from now ? That's the first time I hear there is supposedly NL#5 in there ???
The Core/Moppel Cut we had def. showed beautiful foxtails in a hydro setup, while it didn't show them grown in organic soil, it looses some of its sweet taste the longer it flowers, I like her taste more than say Super Lemon Haze for example

edit: but the picture kinda looks like the ACC I've grown on organic soil...