Gender dysphoria and the trans movement.

[eastcoastjoe]

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help me @eastcoastjoe

You’re beyond help. I haven’t seen you say anything intelligent at all in this thread. You just troll here

 

[GenghisKush]

yes, intersex people exist.
there are even intersex children, who exist.

another thing that exists is gender-affirming surgery.

soldiers who get their junk mangled by shrapnel sometimes require gender affirming surgery.
also, boob jobs exist, are popular, and are gender affirming.

who are you to tell such people what they ought to do with their junk?

 

[Porky82]

You’re beyond help. I haven’t seen you say anything intelligent at all in this thread. You just troll here

So the same as you in multiple threads.
Fuck me you even came into my grow diary to have a go. What a joke that was.
You hypocrisy is on another level but your so stupid you don't even know it.

 

[pop_rocks]

You’re beyond help. I haven’t seen you say anything intelligent at all in this thread. You just troll here

then tell me all about gender and identity! but im here to learn and you seem to think you know it all
break it down for me, like you would tell an idiot!
/see what im doing here

 

[eastcoastjoe]

yes, intersex people exist.
there are even intersex children, who exist.

another thing that exists is gender-affirming surgery.

soldiers who get their junk mangled by shrapnel sometimes require gender affirming surgery.
also, boob jobs exist, are popular, and are gender affirming.

who are you to tell such people what they ought to do with their junk?

The examples you gave there are a far cry from letting healthy children remove their genitals. Go tell your doctor you identify as legless and tell him you want your legs amputated. What do you think he will say ?

 

[eastcoastjoe]

So the same as you in multiple threads.
Fuck me you even came into my grow diary to have a go. What a joke that was.
You hypocrisy is on another level but your so stupid you don't even know it.

What can i say porky ,I like you. Tell me how I’m wrong about the safety of hormone blockers for kids ?

 

[Porky82]

What can i say porky ,I like you. Tell me how I’m wrong about the safety of hormone blockers for kids ?

So do you consider the mental health of these children?
Some of these kids commit suicide because they are unable to transition.

So a dead kid is better than an adult who regrets a decision??

 

[eastcoastjoe]

then tell me all about gender and identity! but im here to learn and you seem to think you know it all
break it down for me, like you would tell an idiot!
/see what im doing here

I already gave you my explanation of gender. It’s simple, male and female. It’s binary. You guys disagree so let’s hear it. Don’t ask me to prove your point for you. I reject this concept that gender is non binary

 

[GenghisKush]

The examples you gave there are a far cry from letting healthy children remove their genitals. Go tell your doctor you identify as legless and tell him you want your legs amputated. What do you think he will say ?

i answered your question. answer mine: who are you to limit what free people agree to do?

 

[Porky82]

What can i say porky ,I like you. Tell me how I’m wrong about the safety of hormone blockers for kids ?

I updated it last night you should go and enlighten me more about you mastery of cannabis cultivation.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

So do you consider the mental health of these children?
Some of these kids commit suicide because they are unable to transition.

So a dead kid is better than an adult who regrets a decision??

Of course I do. Let’s see the stats that show these kids are less likely to commit suicide now since they have access to these treatments.
You ever blocked your estrogen porky ? Any idea what that does to a persons mental health ? Look it up

 

[eastcoastjoe]

i answered your question. answer mine: who are you to limit what free people agree to do?

Someone who cares about the youth of this world. These treatments are dangerous for minors. Do you care about the safety of our young people ?

 

[Porky82]

Of course I do. Let’s see the stats that show these kids are less likely to commit suicide now since they have access to these treatments.
You ever blocked your estrogen porky ? Any idea what that does to a persons mental health ? Look it up

Suicide-Related Outcomes Following Gender-Affirming Treatment: A Review - PMC

Gender-affirming treatment remains a topic of controversy; of particular concern is whether gender-affirming treatment reduces suicidality. A narrative review was undertaken evaluating suicide-related outcomes following gender-affirming surgery, ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

They do say transgender people have a higher suicide rate but there have been limited studies on it.

 

[Porky82]

Of course I do. Let’s see the stats that show these kids are less likely to commit suicide now since they have access to these treatments.
You ever blocked your estrogen porky ? Any idea what that does to a persons mental health ? Look it up

3rd paragraph.

Suicide Risk Reduces 73% in Transgender, Nonbinary Youths with Gender-Affirming Care

Transgender and nonbinary youths, a population with an exceptional risk of suicide and poor mental health outcomes, were found to have 60% lower odds of depression after receiving gender-affirming intervention.

www.hcplive.com

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Suicide-Related Outcomes Following Gender-Affirming Treatment: A Review - PMC

Gender-affirming treatment remains a topic of controversy; of particular concern is whether gender-affirming treatment reduces suicidality. A narrative review was undertaken evaluating suicide-related outcomes following gender-affirming surgery, ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

They do say transgender people have a higher suicide rate but there have been limited studies on it.

Exactly. No meaningful data at all proving suicide reduction. If these treatments were so effective, we would be seeing graphs with significant drops, but we don’t. The lack of data is also because this is the first time in history we have mutilated kids. We have never done this before.

Also, There are other sources reporting the opposite. Common sense tells us that our mental health and emotional well-being can be seriously impacted by hormonal changes.

World's Largest Pediatric Gender Clinic Shut Down Due To Poor Evidence, Risk of Harm and Operational Failures

The UK’s National Health Service will close the world’s largest pediatric gender clinic, the Gender Identity Development Service in London (GIDS) often known as the Tavistock, after the NHS Trust which houses it. An independent review condemned the clinic as “not a safe or viable long-term...

segm.org

 

[eastcoastjoe]

3rd paragraph.

Suicide Risk Reduces 73% in Transgender, Nonbinary Youths with Gender-Affirming Care

Transgender and nonbinary youths, a population with an exceptional risk of suicide and poor mental health outcomes, were found to have 60% lower odds of depression after receiving gender-affirming intervention.

www.hcplive.com

That’s is one doctors opinion of only 100
Patients. I would love to see a 10 year follow up of those patients and check bone density, cardiovascular health. Did all their organs develop properly. Mental health after years of hormone alterations.

 

[Porky82]

Exactly. No meaningful data at all proving suicide reduction. If these treatments were so effective, we would be seeing graphs with significant drops, but we don’t. The lack of data is also because this is the first time in history we have mutilated kids. We have never done this before.

Also, There are other sources reporting the opposite. Common sense tells us that our mental health and emotional well-being can be seriously impacted by hormonal changes.

World's Largest Pediatric Gender Clinic Shut Down Due To Poor Evidence, Risk of Harm and Operational Failures

The UK’s National Health Service will close the world’s largest pediatric gender clinic, the Gender Identity Development Service in London (GIDS) often known as the Tavistock, after the NHS Trust which houses it. An independent review condemned the clinic as “not a safe or viable long-term...

segm.org

That's according to that article the other one I linked seems fairly true.
So in a counter do you have anything to backup your claims that it's harmful to children who want to transition?

 

[eastcoastjoe]

That's according to that article the other one I linked seems fairly true.
So in a counter do you have anything to backup your claims that it's harmful to children who want to transition?

I just posted an article above. Also, let’s talk about the basics of hormones. I asked you a question and you ignored it. Are hormone blockers safe for kids ?

 

[GenghisKush]

Someone who cares about the youth of this world. These treatments are dangerous for minors. Do you care about the safety of our young people ?

I think you're full of shit.
I think you care about playing an agitating role in this moral panic.
I don't think you're sincere.
What urgency drives you? What is the scope of the problem, as you see it?
How many examples of the scenarios you imagine actually exist?

 

[Porky82]

That’s is one doctors opinion of only 100
Patients. I would love to see a 10 year follow up of those patients and check bone density, cardiovascular health. Did all their organs develop properly. Mental health after years of hormone alterations.

New Study Shows Transgender People Who Receive Gender-Affirming Surgery are Significantly Less Likely to Experience Psychological Distress or Suicidal Ideation - Fenway Health

BOSTON, April 28, 2021—A new study published today in JAMA Surgery found that gender-affirming surgery is associated with improved mental health outcomes

fenwayhealth.org

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2789423

The samples are small because it's a very small proportion of the population that actually wants to transition but all of them are saying the same thing.
Better mental health outcomes for kids who are transgender.