Gender dysphoria and the trans movement.

[mean mr.mustard]

Not true. It affects the lives of every citizen when a small minority creates a social construct, then expects the rest of society to confirm and redefine who were are as a species.

How so?

So when you say it’s a social construct, you’re saying gender is an idea right ? It’s a choice. It’s a identification of whatever we want it to be ?

You said "social construct" and I would define gender as a personal identity. Choice is a more ambiguous term than identity.

It's probably a little strange to witness freedom in motion if you have a personal aversion to it.

I don’t lump them with anyone.

Why did you mention them?

I thought you knew this already but gay people were never affiliated with the trans movement at first. Hence the Q was later added on

Gay and trans people love participating in mutual marches, rallies, parties, and parades.

The "Q" stands for "queer"; the "T" stands for "trans".

 

[mean mr.mustard]

This is not a female. This is a male. No matter how much estrogen he takes to grow them boobies, he’s still a man.

I have no doubt that you would argue that with them without learning anything.

You don't want to understand, you want to argue.

 

[eastcoastjoe]

How so?

Because many people don’t agree with it. It may go against a persons religious beliefs. Those people should also have the freedom to live their lives the way they want without being made to accept an idea that they don’t believe in.
You speak of freedom but only one group of people. These ideas shouldn’t be taught in schools funded by taxpayers.

You said "social construct" and I would define gender as a personal identity. Choice is a more ambiguous term than identity.

It's probably a little strange to witness freedom in motion if you have a personal aversion to it.

Quite the opposite. I’m all for personal freedom. Perfect example. If I am a catholic that owns a bakery, I should be able to refuse service to a gay couple that wants me to bake them a wedding cake. You can’t have it one way.

Why did you mention them?

To point out that the gay community is even starting to reject this ideology and is dissociating

 

[eastcoastjoe]

I have no doubt that you would argue that with them without learning anything.

You don't want to understand, you want to argue.

If a man removes his penis and testicles. Then takes estrogen. He will still have a prostate yeah ?
Why do you think old men get enlarged prostates ? Is it because their testosterone is so high ? No, it’s actually the opposite. They become estrogen dominant.

 

[pop_rocks]

If a man removes his penis and testicles. Then takes estrogen. He will still have a prostate yeah ?
Why do you think old men get enlarged prostates ? Is it because their testosterone is so high ? No, it’s actually the opposite. They become estrogen dominant.

oh this is getting hawt!!

 

[eastcoastjoe]

I would define gender as a personal identity.

Ok perfect. So if we define gender as “personal identity” , that means that sex is different. So if a MINOR , decides their gender identity is different then their “sex at birth” then how is banning surgeries and hormone blockers for MINORS, violating any freedoms ?
A person can socially and legally transition without surgery. Why not let them become adults and make their own choice ?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Because many people don’t agree with it. It may go against a persons religious beliefs. Those people should also have the freedom to live their lives the way they want without being made to accept an idea that they don’t believe in.

You don't have to agree with freedom to accept it.

They're free to coexist with people without concerning themselves with their fellow citizens' liberty or personal lives.

You speak of freedom but only one group of people.

Not in the least. Freedom is for everyone.

Quite the opposite. I’m all for personal freedom.

Then you can allow it to exist.

Perfect example. If I am a catholic that owns a bakery, I should be able to refuse service to a gay couple that wants me to bake them a wedding cake. You can’t have it one way.

I believe that businesses are free to refuse service to anyone.

To point out that the gay community is even starting to reject this ideology and is dissociating

That's not true at large.

I still don't understand how that matters if you don't lump them together...

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Keep this in mind, there is a term called “contractual capacity” look it up. If minors lack the maturity and mental competence to enter in to any legal contract, why would any parent decide there child NEEDS surgery or drugs to change their bodies, when it’s customary to be at least 18 to make competent decisions? Any parent willing to do this is incompetent

 

[eastcoastjoe]

You don't have to agree with freedom to accept it.

They're free to coexist with people without concerning themselves with their fellow citizens' liberty or personal lives.

I do accept anyone to live how they choose. Minors having gender surgery, not so much. Sometimes, people have to protect others from themselves. Children are the most vulnerable and fit that group needing protection

 

[eastcoastjoe]

This is about trumps policy. It affects MINORS

 

[eastcoastjoe]

You don't have to agree with freedom to accept it.

They're free to coexist with people without concerning themselves with their fellow citizens' liberty or personal lives.



Not in the least. Freedom is for everyone.



Then you can allow it to exist.



I believe that businesses are free to refuse service to anyone.



That's not true at large.

I still don't understand how that matters if you don't lump them together...

What child do you know that has the freedom to do why ever they want to do ?

 

[mean mr.mustard]

What child has had this surgery?

 

[pop_rocks]

What child do you know that has the freedom to do why ever they want to do ?

minors have no right
its all up to the parents

 

[eastcoastjoe]

What child has had this surgery?

Your serious ?

 

[eastcoastjoe]

What child has had this surgery?

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Come on man

 

[eastcoastjoe]

What child has had this surgery?

How can you argue something so strongly and not know what’s going on in this country?

 

[pop_rocks]

What child has had this surgery?

Your serious ?

now im curious, and not just in a drunk and kinky way

 

[mean mr.mustard]

Which ones didn't have the permission from their parents?

 

[eastcoastjoe]

Which ones didn't have the permission from their parents?

Doesn’t matter. It’s negligence