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GCG and Boobs's 2012 NorCal Organic Outdoor: The Foothill Fetish
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GoldCountryGuy
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Beautiful pics Endur!!! Glad you could come out, we'll have to do it again soon.
hydro-phonics
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nice shots endur my friend and well done GCG AND THE BOOBS (great name dude) !!
endur - hope all is well brotha and hope your ladies are doin great !!
all three of you guys get the hydro-seal-of-approval !!
keep it frosty my friends
endur - hope all is well brotha and hope your ladies are doin great !!
all three of you guys get the hydro-seal-of-approval !!
keep it frosty my friends
While the plant is still alive, the last couple days before harvest, I remove all fan leaves from the plant.
Come chop time I take individual branches and hang them to dry for a few days. After they start becoming dry and have lost the majority of the water weight they were retaining I will buck them off the stems onto hanging dry racks. I break them down all the way so once they are trimmed they can immediately begin curing without another step removing final stems.
A close trim is done and then they can begin curing.
If you want me to get into more detail about a certain step, let me know.
I think this is where I fuck up.
Step 1: I try to take all the sun leaves off during the last week of grow also.
Step 2: hang dry for a couple days, till most of the water weight is gone.
Step 3: Break it down without trimming the buds??? for the drying rack.
Step 4: Trim buds then Jar for cure?
Starting at step 2 I trim all the buds 100% before any drying time. I find it easier to trim the buds when they are still wet, but I think this is the major mistake I am making.
Thanks for the info, looks like I will have to adjust my drying techniques this year.
those plants really don't suck
GoldCountryGuy
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Maybe a lot of growers like to do it that way because the moisture keeps the scissored lubed and it takes ten times as long for scissors to gum up and slow down/piss you off.
My answer to this is have lots of pairs of scissors, razorblades and iso alcohol handy. Scrape scissor hash and rotate scissors while the dirty ones soak.
This keeps everything flowing quickly and IMO makes for the best quality product.
My answer to this is have lots of pairs of scissors, razorblades and iso alcohol handy. Scrape scissor hash and rotate scissors while the dirty ones soak.
This keeps everything flowing quickly and IMO makes for the best quality product.
Ooooh my God. That's from one plant?!
Peace
ENDUR
Beautiful pictures, yo. I too like the picture with the flower popping up between the nugs.
warthog
Member
beautiful harvest GcG and boobs.. as well as endur!!
organic buds- why would you fuck up a CURE based upon timing of the trimming process? i like the way GCG operates but it the cure isnt based upon what time the trimming gets done.. it really depends how long you dry the buds for, and how often you are opening jars..
btw i find it easier to trim 100% when they are wet as well, but once i start growing again i will keep GcG process in mind.. there is a lot more detail and i like that since the cure is crucial.
organic buds- why would you fuck up a CURE based upon timing of the trimming process? i like the way GCG operates but it the cure isnt based upon what time the trimming gets done.. it really depends how long you dry the buds for, and how often you are opening jars..
btw i find it easier to trim 100% when they are wet as well, but once i start growing again i will keep GcG process in mind.. there is a lot more detail and i like that since the cure is crucial.
Are you saying it doesn't matter when you trim then? I was thinking it would dry slower with the leaves on the plant still, and that would cause a better cure. Also, people talk about getting plant goo from fresh trim and maybe that effects the smell? I notice that when trimmed wet it smells more like lawn clippings.
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bajangreen
I too am thinking about trimming when dry, i figure the leaves will allow the plant to transpire more quickly making the plant dry more evenly. if the current wisdom suggest that during the cure the buds will wick moisture from the stem then i believe the leaves will suck most the moisture from the stem before it even gets to the bud. What do you guys think?
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SeaMaiden
It does help slow down drying, and the slower the drying time (without mold) the better. If I may, I think I've managed to (accidentally) hit on what I think is the perfect method for managing drying, curing and trimming of more large plants than can be handled in a single sitting.
They get harvested whole. The leaves I worry about removing are mostly lowers, when I take my cuttings for next season's moms or for an indoor run. I have found that keeping fan leaves on makes for easier storage, given my methods.
They're hung upside down in my basement (that changes this year, Dave's built a home gym and that was my drying and curing space) where it's dark, cool(er, been pretty warm lately!) and usually never drops below 50% RH. This is where the season plays a role, because I often have to find a way to get the basement area drier, or am forced to move the plants into the house to dry because the basement will not go below 65% RH.
Drying needs to be done in a 50%-55% RH environment with good air circulation, hopefully not ventilation. Curing needs to be done in a 60%-65% RH environment. If you can keep the drying and curing environment at 65*F or below, then you're doing even better. If it's 55*F, you'll be very surprised with the results, I think.
Prior to trimming the plants are 'de-boned', that is to say broken down branch by branch, and put into food-grade bins for curing. It's just easier to store them this way and the bins don't have to be burped like jars. I've ended up with anywhere from 10-20 bins of loosely packed branches each year, depending on the size of the bin (I don't care for the 100gal bins, they're big enough to fit in, too big to easily handle, 20-30gals are good for me). The fan leaves are left on, as they provide protection and cushioning for the buds. I think the fact that I end up with no 'shake' type stuff at the end of my process speaks to this, outside what I make myself as I'm trimming.
Trimming involves bringing a bin upstairs to my trimming table where I have a good lamp, a box of nitrile gloves, a few paper towels and a jar of 91% isoporopyl where my grape scissors, *not* spring-handled Fiskars, sit--two pair so I can alternate just as GCG says he does. I take a few branches, break those down a little further so I have a nice pile to my left. Then I start pulling the big fans off by hand while I separate the buds off. That goes pretty quickly, and by then I have a pile of buds that only need some basic trimming.
I should note that I am REEAALLY slow at trimming, I hate it and will have others do it whenever I can. They get burned out pretty quickly, though, so that usually only lasts a couple of weeks and then I have to dig in, like I have to right now. <facepalm>
Anyway, for me the key to trimming dry is controlling the relative humidity and temperatures. I need what would essentially be a both a 'drying barn' and a humidor for cannabis. I do things this way because it's too much for me by myself every October. I've tried to get everything trimmed as quickly as possible and it's just insane.
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bajangreen
SeaMaiden, do you ever stir up the buds in the bins? are they covered?
thaicat
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I use to trim when wet. I also use to throw all branches in a trash bag in the field and carry for about an hour like that. That was until I read this thread by ''The Man'', at which point I tried his way...I got a much better end product doing it his way rather than mine.
From Tom Hill.
''Starting with harvest, through drying, and until packaged - fresh air is extremely important. I used to harvest with plastic contractor bags, and fresh herb might sit in those bags for a couple hours before it was trimmed. That is a no-no, for that's about all the time it takes to start to observe a kind of quasi-fermentation happening - under the magnifying glass we can already see spotted tissue darkening etc. Getting too much bud together like that before its time is probably the single greatest sin we can commit.
That thought needs to be carried right on through processing. The drying room needs to be well ventilated, and we need to be very careful about over stuffing it beyond what our climate control can handle. We never want to walk into a drying space and have our eyes burning from the fumes, we need to remove them constantly - that's key.
I wish I could tell you optimum temps, humidity, Oxygen levels etc but I can't yet. Suffice it to say that as long as we are heading in the right direction, then probably the slower drying the better. Drying too fast makes for a harsh smoke, and maybe locks in a chlorophyll taste too.
We all know the outside of buds are dry before the innards, and folks usually employ at least one evening-out stage, where we would get the buds together in a bag of sorts, and draw the moisture from the inside, out. We need to be extremely careful with this, many a crop are compromised by this tech being employed too early, and it can lock in a green kinda flavor/smell.
Ideally, I would want a processing room of ample size, so that no more than about 25% of the total volume was ever occupied by product. It should be environmentally controlled for temps, humidity, and airflow. This way, we could skip this evening out phase, bring bud slowly to dry, then maybe add a little moisture back via humidity control if needed. That would be nice, safe. If we are forced to deal with the evening out, I would caution to wait so that you only have to do it once, instead of back and forth between closed and open to the fresh air, constantly flirting with that dreaded bud ruining fermentation.
As to curing, I have mixed feelings about it, line dependent, as well as revolving around personal tastes. Somebody just brought this up that they felt most herb was better fairly fresh. Below were some of my thoughts in reply -
I tend to agree about curing, the majority of product is at its best about 3 weeks post harvest ime. But the key is that every herb is different as you say, as is every user. I believe what we are experiencing is that different terpenoids are oxidizing/dissipating at different rates - ie different terpenes have different levels of persistence. Most of us have experienced the sneezing that some fresh herb brings on, or the headaches, or unpleasantness in general that gives way after some aging. Take Thai or many other SE Asian varieties for example, fresh, many may have quite the citrus like experience. After this yields a bit through aging, other terpenes are no longer masked and take over, revealing a much more complex experience for the end user. So there are certainly exceptions, but for the most part I do agree with your take in that I also prefer most varieties fairly fresh. -Tom
I feel that in the future, when we start to understand more about all this, we could really start to dial it in. Like variety X for market Z- 2 weeks drying under a certain set of parameters, then 3 months curing under another, then Oxygen displaced by Nitrogen etc for longer term storage with minimal degradation.''
From Tom Hill.
''Starting with harvest, through drying, and until packaged - fresh air is extremely important. I used to harvest with plastic contractor bags, and fresh herb might sit in those bags for a couple hours before it was trimmed. That is a no-no, for that's about all the time it takes to start to observe a kind of quasi-fermentation happening - under the magnifying glass we can already see spotted tissue darkening etc. Getting too much bud together like that before its time is probably the single greatest sin we can commit.
That thought needs to be carried right on through processing. The drying room needs to be well ventilated, and we need to be very careful about over stuffing it beyond what our climate control can handle. We never want to walk into a drying space and have our eyes burning from the fumes, we need to remove them constantly - that's key.
I wish I could tell you optimum temps, humidity, Oxygen levels etc but I can't yet. Suffice it to say that as long as we are heading in the right direction, then probably the slower drying the better. Drying too fast makes for a harsh smoke, and maybe locks in a chlorophyll taste too.
We all know the outside of buds are dry before the innards, and folks usually employ at least one evening-out stage, where we would get the buds together in a bag of sorts, and draw the moisture from the inside, out. We need to be extremely careful with this, many a crop are compromised by this tech being employed too early, and it can lock in a green kinda flavor/smell.
Ideally, I would want a processing room of ample size, so that no more than about 25% of the total volume was ever occupied by product. It should be environmentally controlled for temps, humidity, and airflow. This way, we could skip this evening out phase, bring bud slowly to dry, then maybe add a little moisture back via humidity control if needed. That would be nice, safe. If we are forced to deal with the evening out, I would caution to wait so that you only have to do it once, instead of back and forth between closed and open to the fresh air, constantly flirting with that dreaded bud ruining fermentation.
As to curing, I have mixed feelings about it, line dependent, as well as revolving around personal tastes. Somebody just brought this up that they felt most herb was better fairly fresh. Below were some of my thoughts in reply -
I tend to agree about curing, the majority of product is at its best about 3 weeks post harvest ime. But the key is that every herb is different as you say, as is every user. I believe what we are experiencing is that different terpenoids are oxidizing/dissipating at different rates - ie different terpenes have different levels of persistence. Most of us have experienced the sneezing that some fresh herb brings on, or the headaches, or unpleasantness in general that gives way after some aging. Take Thai or many other SE Asian varieties for example, fresh, many may have quite the citrus like experience. After this yields a bit through aging, other terpenes are no longer masked and take over, revealing a much more complex experience for the end user. So there are certainly exceptions, but for the most part I do agree with your take in that I also prefer most varieties fairly fresh. -Tom
I feel that in the future, when we start to understand more about all this, we could really start to dial it in. Like variety X for market Z- 2 weeks drying under a certain set of parameters, then 3 months curing under another, then Oxygen displaced by Nitrogen etc for longer term storage with minimal degradation.''
SD looks killer guys. Bet it's gonna be tasty. Really nice job all around.
http://youtu.be/8CnhcGpmH9Y
Great year we're having. I've especially been enjoying the evenings lately, swaying back and forth on the hammock in a blanket of sour diesel smoke. So much so that I even moved an extra mattress outside so I can sleep with the stars for the rest of the season.
The clones we took of strains we want to keep around have rooted. I had fun going through the process for the first time, it was exciting to see those first roots pop out after checking everyday. Strains we're keeping are; Blueberry, Flo, Lavender, OG/Chem, Fire OG, Ghost OG, Bubba OG, Bubba Kush, Platinum, maybe the MLI, The White, Blue Dream, GSC, and Sour Diesel. Hoping to pick up some other stuff in between now and next season and narrow it down to 4-5 strains with staggered harvest times to focus on. We have tons of seeds to look through as well, no rest for the weary...
anyways, here's some pictures. Couldn't be much happier with the soil, haven't added anything but a compost tea here and there. earlier I mentioned a cumulative water count; it's around 3600gallons.
here's to hoping the rest of the year is as good as the beginning was.
Great year we're having. I've especially been enjoying the evenings lately, swaying back and forth on the hammock in a blanket of sour diesel smoke. So much so that I even moved an extra mattress outside so I can sleep with the stars for the rest of the season.
The clones we took of strains we want to keep around have rooted. I had fun going through the process for the first time, it was exciting to see those first roots pop out after checking everyday. Strains we're keeping are; Blueberry, Flo, Lavender, OG/Chem, Fire OG, Ghost OG, Bubba OG, Bubba Kush, Platinum, maybe the MLI, The White, Blue Dream, GSC, and Sour Diesel. Hoping to pick up some other stuff in between now and next season and narrow it down to 4-5 strains with staggered harvest times to focus on. We have tons of seeds to look through as well, no rest for the weary...
anyways, here's some pictures. Couldn't be much happier with the soil, haven't added anything but a compost tea here and there. earlier I mentioned a cumulative water count; it's around 3600gallons.
here's to hoping the rest of the year is as good as the beginning was.
green thumbs
Member
Plants are getting bigger and bigger. The Flo and lavender are awesome strains
Oregonism
Active member
Great to see somebody reppin organics in the outdoor thread. Seems to be working
I looked around for the parents, can't seem to find much about it....never heard of it....tell me more if you know, thanks!
WOW..amazingly beautiful site....(sigh)...I keep buying lottery tickets in the hope I could get a property like that.....terrific job you guys you are my inspiration to keep moving forward!
edit: Well you and Norcal Bob's place I love BOTH your threads! BOTH are inspirational!
Here is my omage' to you and Norcal bob's outdoor grow, albeit mine is so much more humbler...enjoy
And YES those are plants on my roof heheheh!
edit: Well you and Norcal Bob's place I love BOTH your threads! BOTH are inspirational!
Here is my omage' to you and Norcal bob's outdoor grow, albeit mine is so much more humbler...enjoy
And YES those are plants on my roof heheheh!
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