G13... Legends, Theories, and Facts

[Rgd]

Does anyone still have that old CW photo of Pacific's g13.. the braided one?

 

[numberguy]

You wont ever recrate the same power from a reproduction of a f1...especially not f1 from those day were the parents weren't just stacks of genetics layered on top of each other....in those days most of those genetics used were still fairly pure....there are tons of g13 repros now but I bet none of them can match wat was the original power coming out the f1....you would be more likely to find similar to the clone putting two f1 gentinics back together again....eg f1 g13nl x f1 g13sk....with both of those being f1 one generation removed from the clone the traits from the clone are still carried....doubling up the 2 f1 hybrids both having 1 parent each from the same clone a generation removed forces the genetics to push back in the same direction....somewhere in those resulting seeds you will something farley close to the original clone in event the original clone is lost and the f1s can no longer be remade....with the parents in those days being used being farely pure and not a jumble of genetics, when outcrosed to a different pure strain you get something called hybrid vigour....the results come out with bigger, stronger growing plants, with bigger leaves,more resitance to pests and viruses and more potency....just inbreding these f1 strains to themselves to further generations diminishes that....in as quickly as three to four generations of a reproduction/inbreeding you can end up with something coming out completely different to what you started with.....people aren't able to do the same nowdays wen making f1 as most of the parents used now have genetics stacked on either side that are related being inbred over and over inbred to each other....the way they are making some of these potent new strains now is when something is found usually in a bag seed the good plant most likely coming from a fairly good plant that has self polinated...so for example the trait of potency is doubled up....but cus of the way its been done eg by selfing that potency comes at the detriment to many other traits...eg lower yields, smaller leaves less resistance to pests and viruses ect...there is a key to producing strains and genetics that stand out in quality....and a key to producing seed were even growing small amounts of seed you will find keeper after keeper....its a dying art that very very few people know how to do or if thay know how they cant be bothered doing.....alot of strains have been reproduced over and over....haze, skunk, g13, g13hybrids nl, nl hybrids ect ect....there is little if any of the original clones left or any of the original f1 hybrids....people are working with plants and seeds many many generations removed and the results are no were near the same.....if your able to keep a pure landrace stand out plant hold the clone giving you those results...a back up is made in the event that parent is lost....and the back up it must be made in two ways...one in a way that re gives you the highest chance of finding the highest quality plants...2 in a way to maintain the healthy of that pure strain.....that way with the f1 hybrids the clone giving you those high quality restults isis also keept/held onto in clone form...but in the event of loss you still have the f1 seed....and the ability to find the pure high quality parents that made the f1 hybrid and reproduce the f1 seed and re find the f1 plant giving you those high quality results....this is how to retain the ability to make the best...and not go to the next best you can do or the nesxt best from that and ect...each time dropping quality just to maintain the genetics of the strain alive....just thought id throw that in there with some talk of how to keep things going made.....but then also keeping in sight that very high standard of how to keep and do the very best you can with the genetics and not slip downwards.

You can not recreate the original F1 but you can recreate the power ect, of the F1, if you are using parental material closely matching the original parents used. They must be inbred lines of exceptional original qualities, improved by each generation of inbreeding. Inbreeding while improving a variety is a must, if you cant do this you cant make an exceptional F1. Recreating original parents from an F1 generation is a bit easyer if you have separate F1 seed batches, F1s that are different crossings of the parent plants wanted, or split your F1 seeds into two lines and follow each parent separately instead of at the same time. You should also have an idea what the original F1s parents were like if wanting to recreate both. Nice to see someone who understands the intricacy of breeding.
Hybred inbred X Hybred inbred takes more carefull consideration of the parent lines. Are both parents true breeding? are they not related in the past? are they distinct from each other? and just what are you hoping to create? Certainly doable tho.

 

[William76]

Yea,u gotta take everything into account,76

 

[acespicoli]

But my main question for you guys is:
Whoever grew the original G13 cut, is it humidity resistant good for Mississipi?
Are there more strains no matter if indica or sativa coming from this area of Usa adapted to outdoor high humidity swamp cfa koppen climate?

Merry Xmas and Xmas eve everybody

Indoor crop at Ole Miss everything can be dialed in Temp Humidity...
Greenhouse or row tunnels sulfur is king used in burners for PM

Happy Holidays!

 

[CannaT]

G13hp "Haribo" pheno.

 

[acespicoli]

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[funkyhorse]

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Indoor crop at Ole Miss everything can be dialed in Temp Humidity...
Greenhouse or row tunnels sulfur is king used in burners for PM

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Master, thank you for taking your time to teach

So in the 80s Mississipi had temperature and humidity control technology?
I just got wettable sulphur from the local agro shop, it comes from India, I doubt this thing has expire date as long as you store it properly
What is the recommended dose for ganja? Because according to who you ask, for other crops the dosage varies between 2 grs per liter to 10 grams per liter of water

So sulphur is for pm but dont help with botrytis at all. The local agronomy engineer at the agroshop said it is more repelent than insecticide and it kills mites by asfixiation only
At the same shelf where the sulphur was, there was Bordeaux mixture together with stronger copper solutions, this is what is widely used in the local fields. Both sulphur and bordeaux mix get washed with rain or with the morning dew. Bordeaux mix cannot be used in flowering same as all the stronger copper solutions
What about sulphur? Do you spray it in flowering time? If you do, does it affect quality of buds? Does it affect taste?

What about botrytis? What did the University of Mississipi use, what solution they found in the 80s?
The local agro sells to the canadian canna corpos liquid trichoderma for botrytis but it is an expensive solution and it doesnt help at all with PM. They claim trichoderma is for botrytis

 

[Tynehead Tom]

as for spraying wettable sulphur..... no you do not spray it in flower.
Spray it every 3 weeks or so in veg and right before the flip.
I sprayed out my entire greenhouse, pots, and all around the outside of the greenhouse.
It kills powdery mildew though, there is no question.
Pulled a full harvest this fall with zero pm
can't give you any advice on the boytris though. It's best to seek out resistant strains to grow

 

[mexweed]

Bodhi's chem DX88g13hp, there was what might be considered chem smells on early stem rubs, but the smell in flower is definitely not chem, it's sour hash, and not the smooth oily kind of hash smell, it's a hotter more robust spicy kind of hash

Similar to the pics of Sensi's g13hp the leafs look kind of rough even though she's flowering just fine

 

[Rgd]

chem DX88g13hp

coincidentally I just made some of those from the parents.,.they could help each other I bet

 

[RoyalFlush]

I found this interesting G13 thread at MRN

https://mrnice.nl/forum/threads/the-original-g13-s1.18583/

 

[Tynehead Tom]

pulled out my "g13" themed seeds to have a look thru to see what I may want to try and aquire in 2024 to add to the hashplant collection.
I recently received SoCal G13HP which I know nothing about, from @barefrog and he just sent me some of his NDNGuy 88g13hp stock as well. Also have G13HP x peak seeds NL from a member on a different site. Itchin to get into all of these at the same time but not just yet. Also did Bodhi's grandmas hashplant x 88g13hp(barefrog/ndnguy) and the fat cherry hashplant x 88g13hp. Both of those females were made with 88g13hp (bodhi's male) so they are kind of a back cross but using different males. Lots of hashplant beans to hunt thru

 

[stonehead69]

88g13hp ... Source .. nDn.. 2023 IBL repo..

 

[need4weed]

@stonehead69 looks very different to any 88G13 that I've grown, yours is very open and large internodes. My personal experience is extremely compact plants, broad leaves. I only had 1 tall plant, quite jurassic looking which I felt it leaned towards northern lights #1

 

[dogzter]

8813hp was a name change done for marketing it was originally called either g13 x bsh or free leonard depending if you got it from swampy or ndnguy.
I nave been running it since 06 and made the f2 through f4 that Bob had.
Still running them and making beans today.

 

[stonehead69]

@stonehead69 looks very different to any 88G13 that I've grown, yours is very open and large internodes. My personal experience is extremely compact plants, broad leaves. I only had 1 tall plant, quite jurassic looking which I felt it leaned towards northern lights #1

I agree with you I think it was just the nutrients and the lighting because... The 2023 IBL offspring are short and compact.

 

[Rgd]

I recently received SoCal G13HP

dee we dalat gave them to me....decades ago...I repro’d them,and shared..

it is not without power

 

[Mad Shark Genetix]

This is true information Dr. Greenthumb has on his page. Does his cut look like to original to me? Nope.
But what he said about the Dutch Breeders is true.
The proof I found for this took some real digging.
There is a strain out there a very famous Dutch breeder who goes by Hash Bean made called the Klar.
Klar IBL4 is the correct term I believe, or maybe 5 by now.
But it came from Nevil . This guy Hash Bean has spent years inbreeding the strain and keeping the most G13 identical plants every time. He knew the original well. Klar is impossible to find, but I got lucky and found someone else who stumbled upon it here by chance from someone who didn't even know what they had. This guy also inbred the strain a few more times ... When he said what it was I was like bull crap ... Why hasn't everyone heard of this than???
So I dug deeper, and eventually found videos this man posts of his whole grow of every plant. They all look just like the Original G13 plant. So either the story is true, and this Dutch Breeder had S1 seeds, which would be my guess from the videos I seen, or he started with one of the crosses, and is one hell of a breeder. Either way I decided to buy these. You won't find information about this strain anywhere. It is super hard to track down here. But if you know someone that is Dutch they should be able to track this guy down. Once I get more information and know I have the 100% truth. I will definitely try to get this info out. I seem to recall it was bred to something else first for some reason, and then bred back to itself many times after. The only thing I can think of as to why you would do that is because:
Either A: it was long ago and this breeder didn't know how to S1 again, or didn't believe in it back than.
Or B: he was really smart and didn't want to completely bottleneck the strain, just in case he could find something better.
Or C: he promised not to S1 it when it was received.
Tales and legends of this strain aren't completely hidden. But you will have a very very hard time digging them up .... I love staying learning and keeping an open mind, but I'm not fooled easily ...
I also hold all those crosses.... I also have something I'm also a fanatic with "The White" strain....!!!! If anyone can tell me what that is I'd be very happy ..!!!! I have a bunch of great strains with that and even S1's to hunt. One I'm really excited about popping is my:
"The White" x G13 /88 HP
Mad Shark Genetix

 

[Mr Squizy]

This is true information Dr. Greenthumb has on his page. Does his cut look like to original to me? Nope.
But what he said about the Dutch Breeders is true.
The proof I found for this took some real digging.
There is a strain out there a very famous Dutch breeder who goes by Hash Bean made called the Klar.
Klar IBL4 is the correct term I believe, or maybe 5 by now.
But it came from Nevil . This guy Hash Bean has spent years inbreeding the strain and keeping the most G13 identical plants every time. He knew the original well. Klar is impossible to find, but I got lucky and found someone else who stumbled upon it here by chance from someone who didn't even know what they had. This guy also inbred the strain a few more times ... When he said what it was I was like bull crap ... Why hasn't everyone heard of this than???
So I dug deeper, and eventually found videos this man posts of his whole grow of every plant. They all look just like the Original G13 plant. So either the story is true, and this Dutch Breeder had S1 seeds, which would be my guess from the videos I seen, or he started with one of the crosses, and is one hell of a breeder. Either way I decided to buy these. You won't find information about this strain anywhere. It is super hard to track down here. But if you know someone that is Dutch they should be able to track this guy down. Once I get more information and know I have the 100% truth. I will definitely try to get this info out. I seem to recall it was bred to something else first for some reason, and then bred back to itself many times after. The only thing I can think of as to why you would do that is because:
Either A: it was long ago and this breeder didn't know how to S1 again, or didn't believe in it back than.
Or B: he was really smart and didn't want to completely bottleneck the strain, just in case he could find something better.
Or C: he promised not to S1 it when it was received.
Tales and legends of this strain aren't completely hidden. But you will have a very very hard time digging them up .... I love staying learning and keeping an open mind, but I'm not fooled easily ...
I also hold all those crosses.... I also have something I'm also a fanatic with "The White" strain....!!!! If anyone can tell me what that is I'd be very happy ..!!!! I have a bunch of great strains with that and even S1's to hunt. One I'm really excited about popping is my:
"The White" x G13 /88 HP
Mad Shark Genetix

Hashbean is from Denmark and he selected and backcrossed from the G13/HP seeds ndnguy reworked.

 

[dogzter]

G13 x bsh
I got the last 10 f1 seeds he had from ndn in 06 and made the f2 gen that went on to be what it is now.