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Fungus gnats or WINGED ROOT APHIDS???
- Thread starter spleebale
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Immediately?
I have checked every day since, and nothing is living there, except springtails, which aren't affected by the imid.
By the way, to the people who keep posting disinformation about pyrethrins, they do nothing to root aphids.
They do NOT kill them.
Don't waste your time.
See, 2 treatments and I still have some crawling but I really really have to look for them but they are there.
Dunno what else to do. Plants aren't mfeeding or using their water.
Dunno what else to do. Plants aren't mfeeding or using their water.
smokesalot420
Member
Are you sure pyrethrins aren't effective?
http://www.entomology.umn.edu/cues/mnla/pyrethrum.pdf
http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/r280300111.html
The second link has the particular product that I use listed as a control (Pyrethrum TR). It was recommended by my local hydro shop (that is familiar with these little bugs all too well).
It also has BOTANIGARD listed and I may pick some of this up as something to try during flowering for these things but I couldn't find it locally....
http://www.entomology.umn.edu/cues/mnla/pyrethrum.pdf
http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/r280300111.html
The second link has the particular product that I use listed as a control (Pyrethrum TR). It was recommended by my local hydro shop (that is familiar with these little bugs all too well).
It also has BOTANIGARD listed and I may pick some of this up as something to try during flowering for these things but I couldn't find it locally....
smokesalot420
Member
Here's another link with a lot of possible treatments:
http://www.aces.edu/pubs/docs/A/ANR-0189/
This also lists imid, botanigard, pyrethrum, nicotine, insecticidal soap, acephate and your spectracide on there so looks like we're on the right track in this thread!
http://www.aces.edu/pubs/docs/A/ANR-0189/
This also lists imid, botanigard, pyrethrum, nicotine, insecticidal soap, acephate and your spectracide on there so looks like we're on the right track in this thread!
I no longer see any critters. Today I did a flush and fed the ladies 50% strength nutes. All the leaves are curling down. I am on the eve of week 6 and just want to get the ladies to harvest. For the sprectacide users : Did your leaves start to droop? If so when did they pick back up?
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stickey fingers
shareing is careing,you guys are amzeing! great thread SPLEEBALE. RIP DR JAY
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o.sparkles
I am still tripping out because I found out too fucking late o fucking kay?
Sorry...still sore about this.
Mine are looking done for. Even if they finished they are filled with insecticide and about 1 tenth the size and sticky smelly goodness they could be by now. They won't even make good hash. AHG.
What week are you in?
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o.sparkles
Almost week 6. I could go up to 10 on one strain and they will finish late anyway after all the fuss....
...it's just tough. I have forgotten about seeds that have amounted to more than these BABIES of mine ever will.
...it's just tough. I have forgotten about seeds that have amounted to more than these BABIES of mine ever will.
Update:
I run coco DTW in two and three gal pots, water once a day.
Noticed some fliers weeks ago and started to treat with Azamx every other day. Seemed to work ok, but tainted the taste of a crop a bit so I stopped dosing tables that were 2 weeks to harvest and the population exploded in those pots and ramped up in the others..
Started to notice ph and nutrient defciency signs, yellow/spotty leaves, slow growth in a group thats 4 weeks in.
Dosed everybody with Bayer Tree and Shrub at 5ml/gal and the next day flyer populations are way down. I'm going to continue to apply heavy doses of Gnatrol wdg as a preventative measure. Plants in veg will get the Tree and Shrub until they go to flower.
I'll keep ya posted.
Leonard NeemOil
Member
Maybe because some people have tried it and it DID NOT WORK FOR THEM. Maybe because some people are a few weeks from harvest and don't want to use a systemic. Maybe some people are really using it as medicine and don't want to inhale chlorinated nicotine. Maybe they are not dealing with phylloxera, but actual root aphids instead.
And one of the few university studies of root aphid control found Imidacloprid to be ineffective, since root aphids are notorious for developing resistance to pesticides.
I'm glad it has worked for some, but it is by no means a silver bullet.
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o.sparkles
It's not like the plants saw the blue Bayer bottle and just started growing again. They are completely stunted and frozen in time. All dry and droopy. They don't smell hardly at all and they look like garbage. 3 weeks ago I thought this was going to be my best grow ever. I thought, "no biggie, a couple lower leaves died". Then within a week, I saw two gnats and all my girls just about died in the following week.
At this rate, by the time they perk up it will be time for another dose. Fuck this.
At this rate, by the time they perk up it will be time for another dose. Fuck this.
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milehighmedical
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smokesalot420
Member
yeah I feel for ya.... I lost an entire veg and flower tent and had to restart from scratch last year because of these little terminators! Lost most of my genetics and had to restart (and I run a perpetual, ouch!).
Take this as a lesson learned and use the info in this thread to keep them from returning. Prevention is the key as with most problems! So take it as a painful lesson, but one that if you take to heart you shouldn't have to deal with again (I hope).
Take this as a lesson learned and use the info in this thread to keep them from returning. Prevention is the key as with most problems! So take it as a painful lesson, but one that if you take to heart you shouldn't have to deal with again (I hope).
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milehighmedical
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If by "Microherd" you mean the small ones that can't be seen with the naked eye:
I used the sprectacide with mathalion at the prescribed rate (but I ran it through the drip lines and poured 2 gallons over each plant) followed behind it with the ecosense by Ortho and I see no critters. The ladies leaves are drooping and some are drying out. I'm closely monitoring the health and status of the plants to self document how to battle these critters (with perspective to my actions and results). Now mind you I only found the micro's. No flyers or juvies. I will update this thread after harvest with my complete findings.
I used the sprectacide with mathalion at the prescribed rate (but I ran it through the drip lines and poured 2 gallons over each plant) followed behind it with the ecosense by Ortho and I see no critters. The ladies leaves are drooping and some are drying out. I'm closely monitoring the health and status of the plants to self document how to battle these critters (with perspective to my actions and results). Now mind you I only found the micro's. No flyers or juvies. I will update this thread after harvest with my complete findings.
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milehighmedical
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