From start of cloning to harvest 13 week scrog

[Ichabod Crane]

And finally are some bud pics. First is a Deathstar bud.



Next is the Deathstar cola I have been showing in my weekly updates.




And last is a group shot of some Bruce Banner #3 buds.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

I forgot to post this earlier. Today I mixed another 1/2 teaspoon of MKP in 2.5 gallons of nutes. I also added molasses to the feed. I will not be adding any more MKP from here on out. I will most likely add molasses one more time in the next week.

Next Monday will be the first day of flush. It will be just water for the week following Monday. Then it will be ti e to start drying.

 

[gorilla ganja]

Great job. Everything is looking stellar.
Cheers GG

 

[LakeEffect]

i got serious bud envy. Nice work

 

[420ish]

do you think it is easier managing this then your normal vert?

 

[Ichabod Crane]

i got serious bud envy. Nice work

It is the strains more than anything I did..

Great job. Everything is looking stellar.
Cheers GG

Thanks

do you think it is easier managing this then your normal vert?

I dont know. I think both are fairly easy to do.

If this was off the floor more it would be easier to do. And if I could get all the way around it. I had a hard time in the back corner pruning. I was just lucky that it was thin from the start.

Maybe after I ran this style for four years it would be easier than vert. I have never run this way so I have not tweeked it yet.

 

[mowood3479]

Hey ich, lookin nice
When ur doin vert how do u do it? Doughnuts? Double stacked bulbs?
I just chopped my 2nd vert harvest and its seeming like some of the nuggage furthest from the bulb is a little Larfy.
Im thinking I need to strip everything but main branches.. All the lateral growth turned out kinda weak unless it was right in front of a bulb.
Anyway it just got me thinking that optimal pruning is mayb a bit different between a vert and flat grow..
It looks like for this grow u pruned anything that didn't make it up to the screen and left the rest.. Right? Noticing any differences in bud density and or size from ur vert grows? Just curious.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Hey ich, lookin nice
When ur doin vert how do u do it? Doughnuts? Double stacked bulbs?
I just chopped my 2nd vert harvest and its seeming like some of the nuggage furthest from the bulb is a little Larfy.
Im thinking I need to strip everything but main branches.. All the lateral growth turned out kinda weak unless it was right in front of a bulb.
Anyway it just got me thinking that optimal pruning is mayb a bit different between a vert and flat grow..
It looks like for this grow u pruned anything that didn't make it up to the screen and left the rest.. Right? Noticing any differences in bud density and or size from ur vert grows? Just curious.

When I do vert I use two lights. This allows the light to get back to the shaded areas because of overlapping light patterns. Once you do vert you will know what to trim and what to keep. I prune the hell out of my vert. I just want the branch tips. So I kind of do the lollipop style of trimming. But then I pull the tops back in to fill in where I trimmed.

I grow in vert doughnuts with double stacked 1k bulbs. I dont worry about gpw so much as quality and quantity. It is hard to explain how to trim to get that and kind of is a learn as you go thing.

So if it is not gpw what am I looking for? Well thats a great question. I grow vert because I am limited on square footage. The room this grow is in is what I do vert in. But with vert I get on average 4 pounds per run. I will not come close to that with this run flat. But this flat grow is with a single 600 watt bulb.

So here is a picture of my vert grow.



You can clearly see the difference when you realize these are the same size rooms.

Now in order to get that overlapping light patterns you will need the right strains. You want something with a little stiffer stem. Not a strain like ECSD. that is to floppy and grows to fast. But not something like AK-47. It is stiff but does not stretch. I like strains like Deathstar, Blue Dream, or Headband 707. They stretch and only need a small amount of support.

Now lets get a little more into the vert trimming. I take the first 3 to 4 bud sites or branches from a branch coming off the main stem. Or from a branch coming off of a branch. These produce small crap.

I take any branch that is not at least a 1/4 the diameter the size of the branch it comes off of.

I remove all branches for about the first foot of the main stem above the pot.

I usually remove about a 3rd of my plant when I flower. This leaves a larger root mass than the top requires. This causes the plant to grow the top to catch up when you put it into flower. If you did your pruning right this growth will be the best bud sites at the tips of your branches.

As for comparing the two styles growth I cant. This is this first flat grow I have ever done. It would not be fair to compare. I have grown vert for four years and have no idea how many times I have done it. But from what I see they both have about the same size buds. Keep in mind though that I have not done enough flat grows to give a real fair shake to the flat grow style.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

I found a picture of what I said about multiple bulbs getting into the canopy because of overlap. In the picture you can see a bud 15 inches back that is lite up in the center of the picture. What you can also see is the shading of buds that are closer to the light in front of the lite up bud.

 

[Bobbo4200]

Holy mackarel Ichy! They say vert yields more, but I'd like to really see another few flat grows of yours-and I'll bet they are pretty close!

Excellent job!

 

[mowood3479]

Thx for the pruning explanation ich.
Gonna follow ur lead next round n prune a lot more thoroughly. I hate seeing Larf

so my vert room is 9'x7'x6' I've got (3) 1k lights in there spaced about 2' apart.
Like so:
O O O O O
o x x x o
O O O O O
X=1k
O= plant

So I've only got 5' (or so) of workable height, would u suggest double stacked bulbs? I could do 2 double stacked 1ks
Or mayb 3 double stacked 600s..
I'm still trying to figure out the optimal way to set up this room.. If u have any thoughts I'd love to hear them.
Thx homey

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Great posts, I forgot all about the days I grew vert. I now have a strict system with a 4x4 hydro table per 1k for flower. Same way you have it except I'd raise the table on 2gl buckets/4x4plywood and use a bucket to catch the runoff... That deathstar looks like the real deal. Outstanding solider...

I kept this low because I have never grown flat or ever grown the Bruce Banner#3. I only have 7 foot of height so I was afraid of out growing the space.

Holy mackarel Ichy! They say vert yields more, but I'd like to really see another few flat grows of yours-and I'll bet they are pretty close!
Excellent job!

Dont know if there will be to many more flat grows anytime soon. I am just to limited by space to drop my vert just yet. This was just to see how it went and show people you dont need a million plants if you can air layer to get sog type yields.

Thx for the pruning explanation ich.
Gonna follow ur lead next round n prune a lot more thoroughly. I hate seeing Larf

so my vert room is 9'x7'x6' I've got (3) 1k lights in there spaced about 2' apart.
Like so:
O O O O O
o x x x o
O O O O O
X=1k
O= plant

So I've only got 5' (or so) of workable height, would u suggest double stacked bulbs? I could do 2 double stacked 1ks
Or mayb 3 double stacked 600s..
I'm still trying to figure out the optimal way to set up this room.. If u have any thoughts I'd love to hear them.
Thx homey

If it was my room I would drop one plant on each side. Then move the corners more towards the middle. Corners tend to get shaded and produce larf. I like about 2 foot of lineal wall for each plant.

Grow the plants till they are about 6 foot tall. Just a little lower than your ceiling height. then when you move them in bend the tops down to fill in bare spots. After bending them down leave about 10 to 12 inch at the top for the plant to grow into. You could do this by just bending the top over at about 90 degrees if you cant do a full bend.

Hang the lights side by side in your grow. You will still get the crossing light pattern. I would do three 1k bulbs. If I can do it in a 5 foot wide room you can. Just put the middle bulb say about 12 inches lower than the out side bulbs. Keep the two out side bulbs near the top. I keep mine around 18 inch from my ceiling. I never move them.

Let the branches hang down towards the light. These will make solid nuggets 15 inches out if they angle slightly towards the light. Not 90 degrees to the bulb but around 60 to 70 degrees.

Watch them so the dont split. If you have bent the branches downward they usually dont split where the branch comes off the main stem. One of the benefits of doing that. If the branch has not been bent down that is the one to watch when it gets heavy. If not the weight will cause it to sag and get the angle to the light in the last couple weeks to fill the buds in.

 

[Unclecrash]

Your shread method works well for getting roots going. I had one that I did the ring it way with an exacto and it just popped a few roots on one side was wondering why it was not doing so good so I pulled it to find weak ass roots. Then I just cut this one forgot when I chopped loose the airlayer to hack one of the other clones because I was at my # so I chopped this one airlayer for the hell of it to see how the roots did and get back to my # Here is a pic of the roots all the way around the base and its all swelled up. Only thing I used some clonex because I have not got a round to getting the dip&grow, scrog is looking sweet by the way...

 

[Ichabod Crane]

I have not done a true comparison of the two ways. Just my hunch that the shredding does better because it has more surface area exposed for rooting.

Glad you think it looks good. Would hate to show my true side for everyone to see. My false image is still intake.

 

[Unclecrash]

It would be a good experiment for sure do 6 each way but im too lazy. I cant say one way is better or worse but the one I ringed failed since I have seen your method and have done maybe 3 or 4 more and only one failed. So im sticking towhat is workin for me. then I will get some dip&grow to try out. And please no f in hairy back photo porn.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

I cant reach around there to get a picture. To fat.

Tonight I added some molasses to the feed. Will be the last I will be adding to this run. Monday they will be on just water.

 

[Bmac1]

Things are really looking great Ichabod. You were one of my inspirations for going vert and I havent looked back since, except for looking into CMH lights but I digress.

My trimming is still very much a work in progress and I have read your other threads where Im sure you mention your trim method but reading it on the last page was when I actually got it. I did trim pretty good with this current donut I got going on but I cant wait to run my screens again with the bigger pots and really fill the screen up proper.

I got a couple of really well suited girls right now in the GG#4 and Lime Cookies. Both very branchy and vigorous. I need to dust off the tubing.

Keep on rockin.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Today is day 63 three of flower. It has been 12 weeks since I started cloning. And it has been 9 weeks since I started flower. In the last week to two weeks the Bruce Banner #3 has not grown much but the Deathstar continues to bulk up.

Here is what the Deathstar bud that we have been following looks like today.



It looks great. But I think it could be bigger than this. If the light was closer it would have gotten more intense light. I am running just a 600 watt at about 24 inches from the scrog plant tops.

But who cares. This scrog seems to be doing great. With some tweaking I think this would produce even more. As it is here is the screen at 9 weeks of flower.



One week left before I start the drying. After that about two more weeks of drying and trimming. Then I will get the final weight.

 

[Top.Shelf]

That went fast! Great work bro, a very worthy sticky contribution I think.

Keep the good stuff coming bro

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Things are really looking great Ichabod. You were one of my inspirations for going vert and I havent looked back since, except for looking into CMH lights but I digress.

My trimming is still very much a work in progress and I have read your other threads where Im sure you mention your trim method but reading it on the last page was when I actually got it. I did trim pretty good with this current donut I got going on but I cant wait to run my screens again with the bigger pots and really fill the screen up proper.

I got a couple of really well suited girls right now in the GG#4 and Lime Cookies. Both very branchy and vigorous. I need to dust off the tubing.

Keep on rockin.

Hey even I dont always trim like I should. I get lazy some times with it.

That went fast! Great work bro, a very worthy sticky contribution I think.

Keep the good stuff coming bro

I know seems like I just started and now it is flush time.