Florida to drug test Welfare recipiients.

[DiscoBiscuit]

who knows? apparently you

who knows? apparently you

The numbers are a bit different than the 80/20 you have been led to believe
also it's a lot closer to revenue neutrality...

sweetheart, this is your first foray in to the future

not to mention your response addresses another aspect than the poster you responded to

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

i think this is the thread where a bunch of pot growing/smoking hypocrites want them damn leaches suckin down their precious tax monies and using that pot(or god forbid the CRACK!!!) that THEY sold to them to get a damn job. just like cops you fucks wanna go after the low hanging fruit while the people who pull the strings sit in the background and laugh. wake up

speaking of one in particular, I believe the apparent coma prevents that.

 

[Green lung]

In my opinion if you are on welfare you don't get the privilege to smoke weed:tippet: sorry.



Like the other guy said. In the military you are tested for drugs all the time.

You wanna smoke weed all the time don't join the military and if you want to smoke weed don't get on welfare........plain and simple.

If you need welfare quit the drugs.........If weed or other drugs are more important than supporting your family than you have a drug problem which is most likely one of the reasons you are on welfare in the first place.

 

[silver hawaiian]

no doubt. and there are times when our freedoms are given away by people like you.



um - who you quoting? 'cause these are not my words. and i was sure you'd have enough respect for the people here to quote them accurately.



i told ya. there are rules. and the need for rules, or even stricter rules, is not a compelling justification for violating the 4th amendment rights of the poor. sorry. no sale. but i do get that you're not worried about their (or our) 4th amendment rights, or any potential repercussions.

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Paraphrasing, Cojito. Paraphrasing.

And you're entirely incorrect in making a the statement, "I do get that you're not worried about their (or our) 4th amendment rights, or any potential repurcussions."

Did you not see the post in which I laid out several scenarios where we VOLUNTARILY (either through our actions or by default) give up some of our constitutional rights?

Forget about noble pursuits like military, law enforcement, medical professionals.. Some people subject themselves to random UAs when they take a minimum-wage job at TARGET.

And you may be forgetting a very operative (albeit very debatable) word in the fourth amendment. REASONABLE. REASONABLE search and seizure.

And I don't think I'm alone when I say that I don't think it's UNreasonable to expect folks on public assistance to live within certain boundaries.

JUST like the same medical professionals, military, law enforcement, and the sixteen year old kid corralling carts at Target.

Cojito, there are two ways of debating. We can have an honest, intellectual discussion, devoid of emotion, yet based in logic, .. That's what adults do.

OR we can call names, play dumb (when it suits us - "who you quotin' bro?"), put words in each other's mouths, etc. If that's how you participate in a discussion, I'm not interested.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Rick Scott: Florida's Drug Fraud Enabler?

Rick Scott: Florida's Drug Fraud Enabler?

By Suzy Khimm
Tue Mar. 8, 2011 8:49 AM PST

In 1997, Rick Scott was implicated in the biggest Medicare fraud case in US history, stepping down as CEO of Columbia/HCA after the hospital giant was fined $1.7 billion and found guilty of swindling the government. As Florida's new governor, Scott is now trying to kill off an anti-fraud database that would track the fraudulent distribution of addictive prescription drugs in Florida, over the protestations of law enforcement officials, Republican state lawmakers, and federal drug policy officials.

Without consulting state lawmakers, Scott snuck a repeal of the database in his budget this year, despite the fact that it will cost Florida no money. (It's funded by federal money and private donations.) The governor claims the database—which allows doctors to search patient drug purchases for potential abuses—would amount to an invasion of privacy, as the New York Times notes in a story about state Republicans who are at war with Scott. Lawmakers from both parties and patient advocates who fought for the creation of the database are flabbergasted: some view the resource as a critical tool in combating black-market drug traffic, the proliferation of pain clinics, and the abuse of prescription drugs.


Florida is at the center of national epidemic of prescription drug abuse. Prescription drugs are estimated to kill seven people a day in the state, and the number of overdose deaths from oxycodone alone doubled to 1,185 between 2006 and 2009. As a result, Scott has received a hailstorm of criticism from all sides, as the St. Peterberg Times reports:

"This is a step in the wrong direction," said Capt. Robert Alfonso, head of the narcotics division of the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office. "We were looking forward to using it…"


"It makes no logical or rational sense," said Paul Sloan, a Venice-based pain clinic owner and president of the Florida Society of Pain Management Providers. "It's absolutely absurd. This is the most important weapon in the fight against prescription drug abuse…"


Sen. Mike Fasano, R-New Port Richey, who has been a champion of efforts to fight prescription drug abuse and sponsored the drug monitoring legislation, rapped the governor for sliding his proposal into his mass of budget recommendations.


"I'm extremely, extremely disappointed with the governor and his administration for sneaking this into a...bill," Fasano said.
​

Scott is also taking aim at Florida's Office of Drug Control, which is charged with raising private money for the database. His repeal effort has even caught the attention of the Obama administration, whose "Drug Czar" Gil Kerlikowske is currently trying to meet with Scott to persuade him not kill off the database.


Scott has made it clear that he doesn't plan to stop with the anti-fraud database. As the New York Times adds, he's also making a big push to privatize Medicaid as well—supposedly to save the state money—while trying to give corporations and property owners $1.7 billion in tax breaks.

and no estimates to show it - but we get a peep pulling it from his ass in the from of "revenue neutrality."

what the f is neutrality?

another interesting bit


1.7 billion dollar fine / 1.7 billion dollar tax cut for the top


looks like Rick is too-big-to-fail


payback on the backs of Floridians


rickonomics - rip off the taxpayer, pay back the top... including himself

 

[grozzef]

nobody gets the "privilege" to smoke man, IT'S ILLEGAL. you gotta get your head out of the brainwashing and remember that they are PEOPLE exactly like you and every other PERSON talking on here(EXACTLY) and they smoke for the same fuckin reasons everybody else does. but because they're not currently enslaved by someone you don't think they deserve to be happy for a little bit. you don't deserve to smoke.

 

[dagnabit]

the dcfs is not located in my ass honey

the numbers are there for your perusal...

ostrich away

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

In my opinion if you are on welfare you don't get the privilege to smoke weed:tippet: sorry.



Like the other guy said. In the military you are tested for drugs all the time.

You wanna smoke weed all the time don't join the military and if you want to smoke weed don't get on welfare........plain and simple.

If you need welfare quit the drugs.........If weed or other drugs are more important than supporting your family than you have a drug problem which is most likely one of the reasons you are on welfare in the first place.

great argument. the trouble you run into is you don't know whom to apply it.

across-the-board? - not happening. just applies to a segment of assistance-recipients = declared unconstitutional in two states and DC

save money? - not according to two states that previously considered this type of measure.



Green, I get it. You don't want da welfare queens pinching your nickle. So it's ok for Scott to pinch yer dime? That may be what you end up with. Of course you'd have to be in FL.

Unless of course Rick rips the federal government again. In that case, you'll get pinched again.

The first 1.7 billion dollar fine pinched everybody in the US approximately ~$5.50.

 

[Green lung]

Green, I get it. You don't want da welfare queens pinching your nickle. So it's ok for Scott to pinch yer dime? That may be what you end up with. Of course you'd have to be in FL.

I got no problem with folks on welfare.................only have problems with folks who abuse the benefits and take advantage of the generosity of their fellow citizens.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

More rickonomics? More like rickucation

More rickonomics? More like rickucation

Scott's education "reform" plan seems be less about actually making Florida's schools better and more about paying private companies to run bad ones. On his transition team are a couple of CEOs of for-profit charter school companies with questionable track records, including the head of Imagine Schools, which runs underperforming charter schools in Ohio, Arizona, and Florida. Five of the 11 schools the company runs in Ohio are on an academic emergency list and another three are on an academic watch list. The Imagine School in Florida is on probation for its second consecutive "F" rating and at risk of being closed by the state. Charter schools figure prominently into Scott's reform plans.
http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/12/rick-scott-florida-education-jeb-bush

can't recall lawmakers in FL, including the governor

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I got no problem with folks on welfare.................only have problems with folks who abuse the benefits and take advantage of the generosity of their fellow citizens.

so uh, that's pretty much the consensus here

 

[grozzef]

I got no problem with folks on welfare.................only have problems with folks who abuse the benefits and take advantage of the generosity of their fellow citizens.

are you kidding, like you would fucking give up your money if the government didn't make you. don't act like you're defending something when you're probably just jealous that the people on welfare don't have to go SLAVE away their time. you're on a weed site where many people testify to the many medical benefits of the herb(many of which i'm sure you enjoy) yet because they get a pittance from da guberment you think they don't deserve to be healthy and happy. good thing you're on the clock looking out for the folks trying to "take advantage" of your peices of paper.

 

[MIway]

I got no problem with folks on welfare.................only have problems with folks who abuse the benefits and take advantage of the generosity of their fellow citizens.

The way it seems to me, after being around a bit, is that those of us not in jail & with livable slave wage are benefiting based on those that are imprisoned & impoverished... not to mention the very, very rich.

If you've ever paid a single bill because of weed, then you are benefiting from those in jail... from the system that put them there.

If you've ever smoked 'medical marijuana'... it is at the cost of others freedoms.

If you have options & benefits in life... it is at the expense of those who do not.


Shit, the poor & the jailed deserve to smoke weed more than any of the rest... with the possible exception of those with real medical condition where weed helps.

The rest of us are freeloading bro... you too.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

the dcfs is not located in my ass honey

the numbers are there for your perusal...

might as well be up yer bung with nothing but old costs and dag projection

 

[silver hawaiian]

can't recall lawmakers in FL, including the governor

Really? That seems a bit undemocratic. That surprises me.

We're fixin' to try to recall our own Governoridiot here, Rick Snyder.

Ogodihopehegetsrecalled

 

[trichrider]

and no estimates to show it - but we get a peep pulling it from his ass in the from of "revenue neutrality."

what the f is neutrality?

another interesting bit


1.7 billion dollar fine / 1.7 billion dollar tax cut for the top


looks like Rick is too-big-to-fail


payback on the backs of Floridians


rickonomics - rip off the taxpayer, pay back the top... including himself

same thing i said but wrapped in eloquence?

you continue to rattle on (even bringing arguments from other threads), to show how quick and articulate you are. it lends little to abrade others in some vain attempt to hear your own voice.

please refrain from posting pm slights, i've already got your number, and it's less than when you started.

show some mutual respect, or should we all just genuflect?

All Hail the 714!!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

The Rap Sheet on Rick Scott

By Andy Kroll| Tue Nov. 2, 2010 3:08 AM PDT

Florida voters hit the polls today in one of the most bruising, mud-drenched, and competitive gubernatorial races in recent years. In the past two months, the candidates—Democrat Alex Sink, the state's chief financial officer, and Republican Rick Scott, a health-care executive and businessman—wasted few opportunities to assail each other. The candidates seized upon everything from allegations of insider trading involving Scott to the Sink's use of text messaging from a campaign staffer during a televised debate, a violation of the debate's rules turned mini-scandal dubbed "iCheat." All that jabbing, though, failed to advance one candidate over the other; a Quinnipiac poll released on Monday showed Sink ahead by a single percentage point.

But when it came to slinging mud, Rick Scott's background offered dirt aplenty. His record as founder and former CEO of Columbia/HCA, a massive hospital chain, and founder of Solantic, another chain of health clinics, dogged him throughout the race. So in case you're just tuning in to the Sink-Scott showdown, here's a look back at Scott's controversial track record.

$1.7 Billion. That's how much the federal government fined Columbia/HCA for Medicare and Medicaid fraud that took place under Rick Scott's watch as CEO. That sum, which ultimately led to Scott's ouster, set a record for the largest fine of its kind in history. To this day, he has yet to fully answer for his inability to spot and stop Columbia/HCA's systemic overbilling. In a recent debate, Scott said only, "I made sure patients were taken care of.

I really could have done a better job to hire more internal and external auditors." And while Scott has previously blamed underlings, former Columbia/HCA accountant and FBI informant John Schilling doesn't buy it: "I can’t say what he knew or didn’t know, but he should have known what was making up the majority of the revenues of the company," he told the Palm Beach Post.

Overbilling, again?Just weeks before Florida's GOP gubernatorial primary, pitting Scott against attorney general Bill McCollum, a pair of former doctors who worked for a chain of health clinics founded by Scott alleged improper Medicare billing by the company. One of the former doctors also claimed Solantic, in which Scott is a majority investor, used the their names and medical licenses without telling them to stay within Florida law, according to the Florida Independent, which broke the story in August. Scott's campaign and Solantic both dismissed the allegations by the former doctors, saying they were merely a last-gasp effort by McCollum to boost his primary chances. Scott ended up winning the primary by 3 percentage points.

Public option enemy no. 1. As MoJo's Nick Baumann reported last July, Scott spent $5 million of his own money to start Conservatives for Patients' Rights, an organization aimed at defeating Democrats' health care reform legislation. Ads cut by Scott's group warned viewers that the new legislation "could put a bureaucrat in charge of your medical decisions, not you." Nick reported:

Scott isn't foolish enough to say he opposes reform outright. Instead, his group says it wants to promote health care reform that focuses on "choice" (of doctors), "competition" (between private insurers), "accountability" (standardized insurance claim forms and tax reform), and "personal responsibility" (of patients).

Not everyone thinks that's real change.
"What Rick Scott is doing is talking about protecting the status quo, which is bankrupting businesses and bankrupting families," says Peter Harbage, a fellow at the Center for American Progress, which supports the public option. With so many groups—from the hospital industry to the pharmaceutical industry to Wal-Mart—coming together in support of reform, "it's disappointing that [Scott] doesn't want to be a constructive part of the conversation," Harbage says.
​

Abortion distortion. On the campaign trail this year, Scott recounted the story of a lawsuit Columbia/HCA lost in 2003 after one of the chain's hospital acted to save the life of a child born prematurely and with severe birth defects—against the family's wishes. The tale was meant to burnish Scott's pro-life cred and boost his standing with the anti-abortion crowd. But what Scott neglected to mention, as the St. Petersburg Times reported, was the life that child lived after the hospital chose to save her life—a decision her parents opposed:

Sidney is nearly 20 years old. She can't walk, talk, or eat on her own. She suffers from cerebral palsy, brain damage, seizures, and blindness. She requires constant care at the Miller home in Sealy, Texas, west of Houston.
​

Sidney's family, the Times reported, went on to sue the hospital where she was born for treating her without consent, seeking financial damages to cover the cost of her care; two years after her birth, the family's insurance policy had already reached its $1 million limit. The Millers later won $43 million in court. "Our case had absolutely nothing to do with abortion, nothing to do with pro-life advocacy, nothing to do with right to life," said Mark Miller, Sidney's father. "Our case was about consent to treat, a fundamental expectation that all parents deserve."

Debate dodger. Like all conservative candidates this election season, Scott has no tolerance for bailouts. Except, that is, for his own. Specifically Scott's decision to bail out of several scheduled debates during the GOP primary race this summer and fall. In August, Scott ditched a debate hosted by the Boca Raton Republican Club; Scott's campaign offered up his mother instead. A few weeks earlier, Scott ditched a debate against McCollum hosted by Leadership Florida and the Florida Press Association, and backed out of yet another duel with McCollum hosted by the Christian Family Coalition—even though, earlier that day, he'd given a standalone speech before the CFC. Perhaps if voters had known a bit more about Scott's plans and positions, we might've seen a Sink-McCollum general election.

Rags-to-riches? To better connect with Florida voters—in 2009, he reported a net worth of $218 million; Florida's median household income is $45,897—Scott has told of his own rags-to-riches story on the campaign trail. Which is partly true. But when Scott's campaign specifically claims he "was raised in public housing," it turns out that's only partly the truth. Scott did, indeed, live in public housing in Urbana, Illinois—but for three years, starting when Scott was 3 or 4. "The way it's presented is a little misleading," Aubrey Jewett, a University of Central Florida political science professor, told the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. "It suggests he himself rose out of public housing to become a business success. That's stretching it a little bit."

 

[paladin420]

As an American I wil say again.DRUG TESTIN IS WRONG...FUCKIN PERIOD. Don't like welfare? Fine fix it or throw it away. All the stats in the world will not change the fact that Testin is WRONG. If this has to be explained to you, then it is a waste of my time. You can go ride your Vespa.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

same thing i said but wrapped in eloquence?

you continue to rattle on (even bringing arguments from other threads), to show how quick and articulate you are. it lends little to abrade others in some vain attempt to hear your own voice.

please refrain from posting pm slights, i've already got your number, and it's less than when you started.

show some mutual respect, or should we all just genuflect?

All Hail the 714!!

Oh, ok trichrider.

I never said the same thing as you. You've already tried and failed at rephrasing my words. I demonstrated a rattle on poster, wasting a bunch of time. He can fill your thread with whatever articulation you want since y'all appear to gel.

Eloquent, not to mention abrading genuflection of al gore - where'd ya pull him from, another thread?

You're pretty wrapped yourself, how's your voice sounding?

Let me tell ya sumpin' pal, you ain't said jack to more bigotry in a thread than you've ever posted in your short life.

You sent your own pm slight, there's a word for your hypocrisy - oops, I said it.

I really don't care what your argument is. You just don't make it very well.

Only number you got is 1... #1... yourself. Last I checked that ain't very mutual. You and dag have tried to steer me in your debate, try some direction yourself.

All Hail the 714!!

Oh yeah, mutually respectable alright.

Vanity, thy name is trichrider.


Looks like the boxer's getting brawled - know what I mean, PM dude?

 

[silver hawaiian]

As an American I wil say again.DRUG TESTIN IS WRONG...FUCKIN PERIOD. Don't like welfare? Fine fix it or throw it away. All the stats in the world will not change the fact that Testin is WRONG. If this has to be explained to you, then it is a waste of my time. You can go ride your Vespa.

Do you feel this way in all scenarios, for all walks of life, for all professions, etc..?