Florida to drug test Welfare recipiients.

[trichrider]

let me try to catchup.

you get taxed to get bennies, then taxed to see if you can collect them.

ok...state reimburses for neg tests, but also pays to retest positives...rick gets paid three times but state loses two to one?

same kind of scam that the saint of sanctimony Al Gore set himself up with, no?

pass a law that says you have to pay...hmmmn...similar to obamacare? only one winner here. it ain't the unemployed, hardpressed, destitute, broke or bankrupt who win...likey or not.

so you may argue semantics about whether or not a stoner needs to eat and drink and be merry...in other words to deny his/her right to survive (if thats the side you're arguing).

so many here declare their generousity as some badge to be worn, announcing to others their superiority or some other profundity, let them eat hash.

spare me the obtuse self-reflection, get this guy in front of a pissed off mob (or worse) and settle his score.

tickets on sale now!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

let me try to catchup.

you get taxed to get bennies, then taxed to see if you can collect them.

ok...state reimburses for neg tests, but also pays to retest positives...rick gets paid three times but state loses two to one?

same kind of scam that the saint of sanctimony Al Gore set himself up with, no?

pass a law that says you have to pay...hmmmn...similar to obamacare? only one winner here. it ain't the unemployed, hardpressed, destitute, broke or bankrupt who win...likey or not.

so you may argue semantics about whether or not a stoner needs to eat and drink and be merry...in other words to deny his/her right to survive (if thats the side you're arguing).

so many here declare their generousity as some badge to be worn, announcing to others their superiority or some other profundity, let them eat hash.

spare me the obtuse self-reflection, get this guy in front of a pissed off mob (or worse) and settle his score.

tickets on sale now!

that's closer to ketchup

on baloney

your private rep message is weaker than this

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Since some of us morphed to entertainment purposes only...

Since some of us morphed to entertainment purposes only...

Who is Rick Scott?

For one thing he is a millionaire (some say billionaire) thanks to his health care companies. He has never held public office and is hoping to cash in on his record as a businessman.

But that’s the problem too.

In his television ads, Scott, 57, addresses the controversial past of Columbia/HCA. When he was chief executive, the hospital chain committed among the largest Medicare and Medicaid fraud in history and paid $1.7 billion in fines after Scott left.

Scott looks at the camera in one of his $12 million worth of broadcast ads and admits to his corporate past, which is being brought up by his opposition, McCollum.

But he tries to turn a negative into a positive, telling viewers that he addressed the situation and took charge. “I accept responsibility for what happened on my watch,” he says.

Ah, good ol' personal responsibility. Somebody call Guinness and let them know that world-record fraud equals world-record responsibility. With that lack of logic, every freeloading junky in the state could rack up 1.7 billion in fines, only to carp "personal responsibility" after-the-fact.

Then they'd qualify to run for governor.

His next venture was a statewide chain of walk-in clinics, Solantic. But that too was controversial. The first medical director David Yarin, later blew the whistle on the company, saying Scott told him not to hire the overweight, people of Middle Eastern descent or a Hispanic male nurse with an accent.

Bigot alert?

Let's see, apparently there's no prob with Hispanic female nurses with an accent.

Homophobe alert?

And if a male, Hispanic nurse doesn't have an accent... uh, none of that other sheet makes sense so why expect any here?

Yarin said speaking about Scott, “He said in a meeting with all the other staff that the people we hire for our centers have to be mainstream American,” reports the Florida Independent.

Mainstream Americans - Tell Pavlov to ring his bell to avoid:

the influence of Sharia business practices.

anybody with the middle name Hussein.

anybody who might support better economic efficiency or question constitutional violations.

Yarin sued the company and reportedly settled in 2002. Scott has called Yarin a disgruntled ex-employee. Five Solantic managers later filed suit against Scott and the company saying they too were asked to enforce Solantic’s discriminatory practices.

Five disgruntled employees. If Rick ran the Mob, he'd get whacked.

More background from Salon- Scott’s father was a truck driver and Scott went to law school at Southern Methodist University in Dallas then worked for a large firm representing hospitals in mergers and acquisitions. Seeing the profit potential in health care, he partnered with Richard Rainwater, a friend and investor for the Bush family, in buying two hospitals in Texas, the beginning of Columbia Healthcare Corp.

Oops! Al Gore - nothing to do with anything here, just more Pavlov ringy-dingy.

Journalist Maggie Mahar writes about Scott and profit-driven healthcare in her book, “Money over Medicine.”

"Mothers may tell their children that money can't buy happiness, but what these results show is that money can buy enough television ads to make political neophytes serious contenders for major political office,'' said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute tells Health News Florida.

McCollum has spent more than $800,000 on advertising, and his Alliance for America’s Future has spent nearly $2 million attacking Scott as a fraud.

The poll also found that 56 percent of 1,133 respondents did not like the federal health reform, and that is the one thing that both Scott and McCollum hope to take to the bank. Salon reports that Scott raised $20 million to fight Obamacare with his group, Conservatives for Patients’ Rights.

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[dagnabit]

Use DCS instead of re hash that might limit refutable info? Either paste the statistics or link the source where you pulled the data?

i have done so with EVERY number i presented
(do you even read?)

Those county numbers are based on historical and contemporary statistics. Any projections (if projections are even contained in those reports) are based on real statistics. Projections are less mathematically accurate because projections haven't been verified with real, yet future numbers.

did you even read the county reports?
they NEVER weigh cost vs. benefit just cost.

Your side of the debate (if you're talking about future savings) has no real statistics to form mathematical hypotheticals.

yours does?

Although these studies consist of somewhat hypothetical results, (real vs projection) they're comprehensive studies, not punditry that argues one side of the issue or the other.

cool please advise as to their benefit numbers and we will go with those

Those particular studies actually attempted to do what you're suggesting, they tried to show savings that didn't pan in their models.

having read the studies you referenced i must be a moron..
can you please demonstrate wherein they showed a per positive test benefit savings amount to be deducted from costs?

Absent statistical models, those numbers haven't happened to justify as proven. There's no historical or contemporary numbers as basis because nobody has ever gone in this direction. Models haven't proven, nor do they suggest savings can't happen. Models, based on accurate, real comparisons suggest they won't.

Either paste the statistics or link the source where you pulled the data?

goose/gander

Like when I asked where you have actual experience of hundreds of mortgage closings? And you stated I was dishonest and you refused to show your surveyors license?

Nobody suggested you out yourself on a weed forum. Just wanted to know the capacity that your "hundreds of closings" expertise exists.

Real estate agents aren't contractually involved (not to suggest they don't understand) in mortgage transactions nor their documentation. Another interesting note is you didn't defensively suggest you wouldn't show your multiple-state realtor licenses, which IMO would reflect a better understanding of institutionalized landing fraud than surveyors. Because surveyors are not professionally involved in mortgage transactions.

we are hired BY mortgage/title companies to search for the issues listed (in a different thread sorry folks for the bleed over). if those issues are present we are required to defend our reasoning (for moving property line for instance) to the buyer as well as the seller.
also every mortgage requires a surveyor to preform an "elevation certificate" for fema(who constantly changes flood maps) fll in zone X and have to pay exorbitant flood insurnce? "get tht goddmn surveyor in here!!!
no one got emotional over your ignorance of who is in closings and why but you..
i just listed the reasons for a surveyors presence..

i don't think you want to acknowledge that there is a savings in denial?
so please reread the links posted from both sides nd stop knee jerking?

or just keep the tactics up.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

i have done so with EVERY number i presented
(do you even read?)

post the link or paste the data - easy stuff

did you even read the county reports?
they NEVER weigh cost vs. benefit just cost.

previously addressed

yours does?

not making your argument - don't have to refute what you can't substantiate

cool please advise as to their benefit numbers and we will go with those

make you own suppositions, post your own sources - dag isn't a source

having read the studies you referenced i must be a moron..
can you please demonstrate wherein they showed a per positive test benefit savings amount to be deducted from costs?

previously addressed

we are hired BY mortgage/title companies to search for the issues listed (in a different thread sorry folks for the bleed over).

demonstrates your obstinacy

surveyors don't search for lending fraud - neither do realtors - I gave you the comprehensive data, links etc and you said it was ALL bunk, ALL mortgage fraud.

if those issues are present we are required to defend our reasoning (for moving property line for instance) to the buyer as well as the seller.
also every mortgage requires a surveyor to preform an "elevation certificate" for fema(who constantly changes flood maps) fll in zone X and have to pay exorbitant flood insurnce? "get tht goddmn surveyor in here!!!

Tell that surveyor he never investigated lending fraud. The rest is a dag commercial.

no one got emotional over your ignorance of who is in closings and why but you..
i just listed the reasons for a surveyors presence..

zero to do with lending fraud and your declarations it doesn't exist

i don't think you want to acknowledge that there is a savings in denial?
so please reread the links posted from both sides nd stop knee jerking?

or just keep the tactics up.

are all your posts this watery?

You can address what you're apparently avoiding.

Or you can address another member.

Or you can dag, er drag infinity to a whole new meaning.

Does anybody in this entire thread care to demonstrate dag's reasoning? Might put this back-and-forth to rest.
from here on out I'm gonna ignore your bs.

PS - no surprise you'll back-flip the comments... no surprise, you have nothing left to say. your value judgements have already been covered.

 

[dagnabit]

just like you ignored all the links to the FL DCFS?

you asked why a surveyor would be in a closing...
i provided you with why.

now you "flip" to did i research mortgage fraud?



LMAO!!!

"previously addressed"?

except not once did you do so...

 

[dagnabit]

PS - no surprise you'll back-flip the comments... no surprise, you have nothing left to say. your value judgements have already been covered.

no surprise you try to bait with emotion(defult when presented with facts)
i gave you the numbers AND the links,you choose to pretend they were never given..

how does one have a conversation with a creationist?
you can show 'em a fossil and they refuse to acknowledge they ever saw it..

the links are right there for the clicking!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

just like you ignored all the links to the FL DCFS?

i ain't seen ya post a single link to your little figures, you know... the asci stuff that doesn't line up? that's because you're typing (whatever)

you asked why a surveyor would be in a closing...
i provided you with why.

Nah. You never divulged until afterward. You just denied lending fraud and spewed your "hundreds of closures".

so I asked what capacity, you coped a tude, siad you were a surveyor and realtor in multiple states

now you "flip" to did i research mortgage fraud?

I doubt you research anything past your navel.

LMAO!!!

"previously addressed"?

except not once did you do so...

whatever dude - just get a like opinion to make your cloudy waters a little more clear. I'm no longer interested to see if you can actually form a fundamental basis. repeating yourself over and over ain't even treading water

 

[dagnabit]

annual testing costs (based on $30.00 per) were offered and accepted(by me) by your counterparts on the side of the negative



do you really think consession(winning) is going to happen here?
this is all supposition on both sides(testing cost and percentage busted)
however,we do have the previously sited county study and the dcfs cost figures to extrapolate from..

i will concede the $15,000 number is off...

if one qualifies for the TCA($ @180 monthly for a single individual(1)) >200% of FPL they also qualify for "food stamps" (FA)($200.00 monthly for a single individual(2)) include the unemployment payment($275.00 per week (3) showing the math

180 200 1191
X 12 X 12 X 12
------ ------- -------
2160 2400 14,300


2160
+2400
14300
-------
18,860 total annual cost without admin or medicare included


feel free to orbit in an ellipse or a circle ...

just remember to counter with something other than your own assumptions or more straw snyders


1http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/programs/access/docs/tcafactsheet.pdf

2http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/programs/access/docs/fafactsheet.pdf

3http://www.unemployment-rate.org/benefits/florida-fl-unemployment-benefits

i readily accept the offered $30.00 per test number offered as well as the 44,000 tested.(the former being that assumption stuff you rail against the latter being provided by the state)

the point that needs consensus would be percentage of positive UAs...

those weird sentences that are underlined and start with WWW

those are links!!!!!

i thought you knew

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

now for part b of your reasoning

nothing in those links predicts the future - neither do you

your proposal has yet to materialize

I know it's cost data but you can't make value proposals from costs only. Do yourself a favor, show it to somebody that manages to explain in a language you can understand

 

[dagnabit]

lol

so it may be revenue neutral who knows?

we can't extrapolate savings data based on current costs?

do YOURSELF a favor and stick with moral indignation.

BTW: no one "copped a tude" but you

 

[dagnabit]

i ain't seen ya post a single link to your little figures

nothing in those links predicts the future

nope nothing in the links that i never posted infringes on your crystal ball(that tells you without ANY data this could not have a fiscal benefit)

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

lol

so it may be revenue neutral who knows?

key phrase in bold ^

we can't extrapolate savings data based on current costs?

no sir, w/o two parts of the puzzle, you only have one.

do YOURSELF a favor and stick with moral indignation.]

ever thought about letting it go? quitting while your behind? playing fetch with the dog?

BTW: no one "copped a tude" but you

why are your jokes funny and mine are attitude?

here's a joke

read the article there...

i didn't see where anyone alleges force?

Where does this crap emanate from? You can't possibly be doing this by accident.

i see greedy people (who wanted to buy when they shouldn't) going to greedier (granted evil and fraudulent)businesses and SIGNING THE PAPERWORK

that's an example of mortgage fraud

i will not post pictures of my surveyors licenses(had to be at any closing involving a boundary,wetland delineation,protected species,imminent domain,reclamation,elevation,easement ect... that i worked on)
or my real estate licenses for the states...

just another dishonest debate tactic to call into question the integrity of the arguer...

wanna just let it go?

this is your only revolver

the "victims" are victims of themselves...

denial of lender fraud?

the true victims of the derivative trading lunacy are you and I not the idiots who bought homes WITH A.R.M.s and or NO MONEY DOWN!!!

still arguing apples to oranges

i mean FFS do diligence on the part of the purchaser would have prevented most of those who got foreclosed on from buying in the first fucking place!!!

Maybe the folks that compiled the investigations I brought you would like to know your input. Recon they'll just say fuck it and go home?

i was offered an arm after the storm,salesman pushed nice and hard...
all that kept me from buying an overpriced house in an inflated market with a ridiculous mortgage????
common sense overrode my need for instant gratification..

i love how the people who chose to do otherwise are somehow blameless in their current situation....

Let's see, dag. The ongoing investigation covers about six aspects. The one that's apparently glued to your forehead is mortgage fraud.

You never proved lender fraud doesn't exist - you bs'd your bs on this one too

You never proved your assistance assumptions either.

This demonstrates my point and your toy up there is spot on.

I honestly think you win an argument in your head before you even make it.

DAG WINS!!

collect yer door prize, a nice, color image of the

 

[dagnabit]

which thread is this again????

[ON TOPIC]
im glad you agree there is a possibility this may be revenue neutral(my point the whole time despite your attempts to diverge)

finally we have accord!

 

[dagnabit]

According to legislative analysts,113,346 people are receiving temporary cash assistance. However, only people 18 and older will be tested, and officials from the Department of Children and Families estimate that will total about 4,400 adults who apply for aid each month.

Officials estimate the initial screenings would cost about $10 per person – refundable if the individual passes – and first-time failures will be disqualified for one year from receiving benefits under the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. A second failure disqualifies the individual for three years.

The numbers are a bit different than the 80/20 you have been led to believe
also it's a lot closer to revenue neutrality...

the post that started the whole thing?

you pulled out your suppositions,assumptions and crystal ball to start predicting fiscal calamity thereafter...

just revolving?

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

nope nothing in the links that i never posted infringes on your crystal ball(that tells you without ANY data this could not have a fiscal benefit)

here's yer sign

1 + = ?

nobody in this entire thread has tried to make soup but you.

we've had a few visceral gut explosions and a few bigoted assumptions.

but you're the only peep trying to make an equation from one element

here's a secret, you could actually borrow projected costs from OK (or the other state that basically says don't waste your time.)

so you just waste ours instead


Picking on you is not undeserving on your part.


Where's the guy that pulls Al Gore outta his wazoo? dag's shit's getting old last week.

 

[dagnabit]

lol ostrich away...

the numbers dont lie!!!

the only thing that we have to assume is %of busted.

you are reaching soooo far DB you hve to reinvent math..

hell you are reaching into other threads!!!!

thats a streeeeeethc even for you

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

which thread is this again????

[ON TOPIC]
im glad you agree there is a possibility this may be revenue neutral(my point the whole time despite your attempts to diverge)

finally we have accord!

bullshit

dag - idiot or asshole

tried to ascertain but you're having too much fun in each capacity

 

[dagnabit]

key phrase in bold?

who knows?


you might wanna do a quick edit

 

[grozzef]

i think this is the thread where a bunch of pot growing/smoking hypocrites want them damn leaches suckin down their precious tax monies and using that pot(or god forbid the CRACK!!!) that THEY sold to them to get a damn job. just like cops you fucks wanna go after the low hanging fruit while the people who pull the strings sit in the background and laugh. wake up