Florida Growers Thread

[SlowCalaToker]

I need some help. The Warden(!) has consented to allowed me a $350 budget to purchase a new grow light! I am going to go whole hog and buy a 1000w hps. I am thinking of this one - http://cgi.ebay.com/1000-WATT-1000W...OLED-TUBE_W0QQitemZ160357873941QQcmdZViewItem - if anybody here knows of a better one at this price or a similar one at a cheaper price, please put up a link for me. I am really excited about being able to upgrade, I will finally have the tools to help test beans, as well as be able to grow bigger and more productive girls.

God, I'm stoked.... Y'all remember when you got your first 1000? That's the stiffy-inspiring excitement I'm feelin'!

 

[boo]

I flower during the day for obvious reasons, thermal imaging is way too easy to spot on our island...especially using 3.4K watts...I got a mass mailing from the local power company telling me that there are cheaper times of day to buy power...none of which interests me to compromise my future as a free man...this shit tosses one hellava heat pattern skywards...grow safe brothers

 

[oldgrayhair]

Some of the shit my crazy old ass is up to .....

Some of the shit my crazy old ass is up to .....

Gorgeous buds boo and evl! What do you call that stuff boo? I that the moonbeam? Either way, looks sexy

No worries on re-vegging that one Evl, shouldn't be a prob at all....all I need is a good toke or two

All the new peeps, great work!

While I can't compete with the pron on this thread, I figured I'd get some pics up of what I'm working with over here in the retirement home...umm, where's my pudding?

First up is my new little coco tray...it's the botanicare 2x2...figured a good size to do a trial run and see how I like it. Here it is after I installed the drain


Here it is with the 9 bato buckets...perfect fit!


From the top:


More on that project as it comes together over the next month or so.

Now for the greenery! Babes of all ages

Small group of SSH f2 seedlings just starting their journey...a big thanks to "you know who you are"


A group of NL x Shiva a bit further along:


3 Ice youngsters, currently in flower for a week while I wait for them to show me the sexy:


From the top:


A tray of 6 more Ice just popped into flower to sex yesterday....yeah, I played with some diff nutes on a few but they'll be ok.


Here are a couple Papayas...P1 and P2 (p1 the taller pheno) (p2 finishes in 42-46 days) I'm growing out in cups to keep the mind active


Here are a couple sisters(papaya) of the same age in their buckets:
P1 P2

From the top:
P1 P2

Here's a Papaya P1 all bent with about 3-4 weeks left:
A bit closer

last couple coming on next post - Peace - ogh

 

[Graham Purwatt]

i guess i need to switch back to days if i can,maybe i can do it now.if not i need to find out whats stopping me from cooling better.nice lil setup ogh

 

[whiskeytango420]

DAMN yall got some fine work going!

good drown, you dont have to take my advice at all...thats the cool part about here. listen to 5 people, and with that form your opinion.
But like I said, if you have clean air going into the hoods, why does it need to be filtered? I got 6 1k lights in 2 lines of 3ea. One 6in fan at the end pulling and exhausting into the attic. The intake is ducting from the wall where the AC vent used to be....no need for this air to be filtered. And with the filter in the grow room, all the air is still filtered before it exhausts into the attic. I dont see what you dont understand. If you like your method, by all means, stick to it. But you asked and I gave you my opinion. Please dont take this post wrong, its not an attack or anything. Im just saying....lol

Slocal- these are the lights I run. DAMN good deal. they havent fucked up on me at all, and I can run em 120 or240.
http://www.htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=52518

 

[Guest 18340]

Nice table/bucket set up OGH. You could do a nice sea of green. I like the way that P2 bushes out. Under 50 days too? Maybe a stork will leave one on my door step one day
Can't thank you enough for stepping up and helping me with the reveg thing. This baby is a keeper, you'll see.
Damn boo, not playing around their are ya. What strain are those bud shots?

Hey Graham, is the AC in the window of the room or is it hanging out of the tent?

 

[whiskeytango420]

GPW- why not get a portable ac? running all day, youll get good 2-3gal of RO water too 400 bucks got me a 10k btu port ac at grow de pot.

good vibes

 

[Blowstrees]

How goes everybody? Just a born and raised Floridian grower who's moved on to do things legally...but I still like to check in. Just had a few comments on the last few posts...

so if i just switch the breaker on the panel it will do 20 amps? that should be plenty.

My friend DO NOT just switch out your 15 amp breaker to a 20 amp. The 15 is there for reason. Chances are...that 15 amp breaker is is connected to 14 gauge wiring...which the rest of your expensive/ high powered equipt is hooked up to at the receptical end. That wiring is rated to handle at most a 15 amp load and usually the " safety" zone is 80% of that. While Whiskey was right to advice you to bump to a 20 amp circuit, he did not mention anything about your wiring. Only use a 20 amp breaker if you also have 12 guage wiring that is meant for the load...and you need to get recepticals that can handle 20 amp load for you to plug your equipt to. Running more power on the wiring and plugs than it is rated for is a fire waiting to happen. Shit happens frequently when things dont get set up proper...and one day your out for lunch you come back to a burndown house and LEO at your door.

So IMO, in order for you to SAFELY (being the key word) power your grow, you have a few options. If you have some space on your electrical panel..instead of switching out the 15 amp, I would add a 20 amp circuit dedicated just for your lighting and run the new 12 gauge cable into your attic if you want to keep your ballasts up there. This way, you have 15 amps for all your pumps, fans, dehumidifer, yada yada anything else that is running on the circuit without worrying about a breaker trip. If adding one is not an option, then I would look for recepticals on a different breaker in the house to get power for my lighting. But yea..safety is key...fire is bad.

As for your exhausting, the problem with your setup now and the reason the others are telling you to bring in the scrubber to the room...is because its much more efficient to pull air than it is to push air. The 8 inch fan is more than enough to cool your lights..but the air will only move as fast as its able to due to restrictions. Restrictions can be brought on by a number of things from bends in your ductings...to "pushing" exhausted air out of a scrubber. Moving the scrubber into the room eliminates the air restriction and facilitates better air flow which will give you better cooling. However, your other concern is valid as well as far as odor seeping through your hoods. One solution to this is to tape up the seams along your hoods glass and at the intake/exhuast ends where the ducting is attached and that should provide a solid airseal. The other option presented here was to just have the scrubber running in the room, filtering the room air, and have it so the air is pulled from the attic and exhuasted back into it. Only problem with that is that hot air through hot lights keeps shit hot. Not the most effective cooling method IMHO although the odor in your room would be taken care of.

I would say your best bets are to move the scrubber into the room and pull instead of push if you dont mind the space being taken up...or...if money isnt a big deal for the investment I would look into one of these units and get rid of the scrubber all together.

http://www.plantlightinghydroponics...ne-duct-carona-discharge-ozonator-p-1426.html

This way, you eliminate the air restriction and make your cooling way more effective..plus you dont have to have that bulky ass scrubber in your room...PLUS your odors are taken care of no matter how severe they get...you just adjust the output for the odor...and it will take care of whatever that closet can put out I assure you. Ozonators are not meant to be used in room, and can def have adverse effects on your plants..but if exhausting outside or into other spot where nobody is (attic) its a great solution. I would also advice that you install a little fan in your attic to the outside...so you can slowly move the hot but clean air out...will help keep temps down and make shit efficient.

Anyways man, Just my 2 shiney pennies on the subject hahah. You can always shoot me a PM if you wanted extra help.


Everybody else nice buds and way to keep FL green! You guys have balls.. I miss home but I like my freedom better honesty. Hahaha Keep it real folks.

BT

 

[good drown]

yupps

 

[whiskeytango420]

What BT said....I didnt delve in too far but he is right. I switched all my wiring to 10 gauge. Once you asked about the switching to 240, I would have gone more into that. There's your ticket man...May spend 100 bucks total doing it all, but you will be running GOOD. I got an ionizer too, Uvonair too even, got the 3000....WOOT! but its out in the living room, near the main return for the central AC. I have put them in the grow room too, and they NEVER took the smell out of the nugs, just while you were in there, you couldnt smell shit...lol. The smell is nasty if you dont have it on a timer, and it can damage your lungs. Just use it right and your fine.
We ran 10 gauge wire and the lights are on 20 and 30 amp dual pole 240v breakers. I run 8.6kw and only have a 700 electric bill, including the central AC and doughboy(snsstealths) computer and xbox, lol.
Sns and 1I did 99% of my wiring in this house. Sns is getting quit good at environmental controls....making my job A LOT easier....lol. I told the crew I ONLY want to worry about selection and the plants themselves. Sns is training 1I to get all environmental aspects covered. My ideal is 65w/sq.ft, 80highest day, 67 coolest night. 40%rh...badabing....glorious herb!

I knowe this seems like a whole lotta shit GD, but its for the better man. Get your shit squared away GOOD when your setting up, will be A LOT less problems later. Im not saying you ahve to do anything we are saying.....just get yourself where you want, and it will come rolling to ya! Start doing like I said and take all the advice given to you by everyone, and then put together what works for you.
I think you are seeing now (hopefully) the folly in having a scrubber push than pull. BT explained it again, hope that one got you to figure it out if my last 2 attempts didnt, lol.
Why do you want to run the scrubber inline with the hoods? Are your hoods not sealed? Told ya how I do it. there is no smell in cooltubes. If your hood has glass in it, a lil tape in a corner or two will have the hood sealed, then you dont need to filter it. ESPECIALLY if the lights are intaking clean cold air...make sense yet?
My album has the set up pics of all my rooms. Even the boom boom room. which is a 2x10 closet. got 3 600s in there, also on just one 6in fan, at the exhaust end pulling air across the lights and exhausting into the attic. carbon scrubber is on the closet chelf here, the fan attached to the back of the scrubber, PULLING the rooms air through it, and a duct is exhausting the air into the attic.
Seems like a lot of repeating myself. I dont want to keep taking up all the room in this thread, if you have anymore questions GD, feel free to pm me or Blowstress.
Mind you Area 51 is in a neighborhood...not in the boonies. So trust me, if any smell was leaking anywhere, I would get it...lol.
We are just here to help!

good vibes

 

[good drown]

no she didnt?

 

[Blowstrees]

Well said Whiskey!

so to move the scrubber, i would have to make just 1 6" ducting running from fan, to lights, then to filter?
how much should this help? right now its just a 400w 24 hours a day, and the fan needs only 3/4 power to keep the room 80 degrees. what will 2 600's do?

Glad you posted that good drown. It really just confirms more what we have been saying here. The avg rule of thumb for properly aircooling a light is about 200 cfm per 1k. That 8 in Vortex of yours does 747 cfm. So if its taking the fan being powered to 3/4 of its power with a fan controller...to keep your room at 80 with only a 400...that is a problem. To give you an idea I was cooling 3k with no ac with the 8 in.

Inline is going to give you the most "fluid" air flow with no restrictions. So yes just like you stated...if your starting from within your room..your start with the filter...duct to the hood..duct to the other hood...then to your Vortex fan...and out of the room into the attic. Having the fan sitting on your scrubber once again results in pushing air instead of pulling so having it in the end of your duct run to pull the air from the hoods is key.

The ozone is damaging when its in your room...not outside...if your using it to kill the odor in "lung" room it has nothing to do with your plants...

Good luck dude!

 

[Blowstrees]

Hah sorry was typing my response when you posted. No need to have your ducting divi'd up into 3. You just run oneline of ducting.


Here is an idea of your usuage.

Amps = Watts/Volts

So 2 600's at 120v is 10 amps...not including the rest of the shit you have powered. See where Im going with it? You need more power dude.

 

[toasted1]

fuk im jealous of the bud porn so i had to ad a lil

a lil bubba and sour d with my hash pipe

just bubba

just sour d

and finally some 4-5 month cured papaya 70 day pheno

stay safe
1

 

[sns_stealth]

I need some help. The Warden(!) has consented to allowed me a $350 budget to purchase a new grow light! I am going to go whole hog and buy a 1000w hps. I am thinking of this one - http://cgi.ebay.com/1000-WATT-1000W...OLED-TUBE_W0QQitemZ160357873941QQcmdZViewItem - if anybody here knows of a better one at this price or a similar one at a cheaper price, please put up a link for me. I am really excited about being able to upgrade, I will finally have the tools to help test beans, as well as be able to grow bigger and more productive girls.

God, I'm stoked.... Y'all remember when you got your first 1000? That's the stiffy-inspiring excitement I'm feelin'!

Great news SCT!! glad to hear youll be running full power soon...lol. that set-up looks good but Ive a couple bits of info before you buy.

1. not sure who makes that bulb. IMHO Bulbs can be one the most important factors in final weight counts. if you get this set you may want to upgrade the bulb (which youll have to do after a year so anyhow so maybe not that big an issue).

2. from ballast listing:

Fit for 1,000 watts High Pressure Sodium Lamps or 1,000 watts Metal Halide Lamps

This is a dual ballast, unless you plan on hooking up a 1000W MH bulb anytime in the near future you can probably get an HPS only at a cheaper price point.

good luck on your search and ur grows

ltr

 

[whiskeytango420]

Great news SCT!! glad to hear youll be running full power soon...lol. that set-up looks good but Ive a couple bits of info before you buy.

1. not sure who makes that bulb. IMHO Bulbs can be one the most important factors in final weight counts. if you get this set you may want to upgrade the bulb (which youll have to do after a year so anyhow so maybe not that big an issue).

2. from ballast listing:


This is a dual ballast, unless you plan on hooking up a 1000W MH bulb anytime in the near future you can probably get an HPS only at a cheaper price point.

good luck on your search and ur grows

ltr

Slocal- these are the lights I run. DAMN good deal. they havent fucked up on me at all, and I can run em 120 or240.
http://www.htgsupply.com/viewproduct.asp?productID=52518

heh...just tell him to get our lights db!

good vibes

 

[oldgrayhair]

I spy a $4.99 keychain pipe! Best portable 1 - 2 hitter ever

Peace ogh

oh yeah, nugs looks wonderful toasted!

 

[good drown]

helllllz yea

 

[oldgrayhair]

more stuff

more stuff

Here is my little clone tray, P1's, P2's and WW


A couple Alaskan Ice clones and a couple more WW


And a few WW buckets starting 3rd week flower


Some kick ass pest control


Some Biggie Smalls form last year..kick ass stuff if you ever snag a pack from Doc Chronic


Keep it green! ogh

 

[whiskeytango420]

I only have central a/c, nothing extra so i think thats why its at 78-80 also. how cool could the room get if my house is 76?
thats another reason why i dont think its necessary, but i've never run 600's, let alone 2. i figure temps go down in a month so cooling the house wont cost as much. my power bill with the 400w on 24 hours is 300, same as month before so it should only go up slightly with 2 600's on 12 hours.
also why would i need more power. 10.5 amps for the 2 600s and then just the vortex with is 1.4 i think i have 3 amps left for circulating fans and a cheap as humidifier. when i get the 2 600's i will no longer use the 400, i got it for the hortilux blue mh bulb.

i def want just 1 sucking source if i move the filter down. i am not opposed to this, but i dont want it to be louder up there. if there is no filter on the fan, it will be louder, but i may not need it as high. also, the filter, when i bought it had to cfm numbers on it, 800 and 1600, whats the dif?

The intake is ducting from the wall where the AC vent used to be, unscrew vent from wall, stick ducting in hole....no need for this air to be filtered.

I dont get it man. We are answering your questions, and you dont seem to like our answers. No offense man, but maybe try asking someone else? We arent exactly new to this ya know. We mIGHT have a clue to what we are talking about. It may not make sense to you now some of the stuff we say, but we wouldnt steer ya wrong man. He told you about why you need more power. I have had a lil heat mat trip a 15 amp when I had 12 running on it. You never wanna run a breaker more than 80% its load...imho

Ill let the other guys take over from here

good vibes