Florida Growers Thread; Reloaded

[Green lung]

Make sure your not letting the coco dry out, it will even look wet on top sometimes so it's best to go by weight of the pot. If you let it dry out it can fry the roots and the majority of the roots die/dry out and cause problems. The plant will limp along and finish with yellow/crunchy dead leaves. Once those roots die in late flower they won't regrow like in veg so sometimes you notice your pot will be heavy with water but since you root system pretty much died it can't uptake that water and will be soggy

Your plants look like mine when i was waiting to long in-between waterings, it was always later in flower when i had the dying/crunchy leave issues. by fixing that watering issue I never had any problem in coco again.


Don't think its rootboud, I've had 6ft tall bushes in 2gal of coco with no issue.


What also leads me to watering issues is that your organic soil plants are doing fine which have no problem drying out, in coco you can't let that coco get dry your roots will shrivel up and die.

You should be watering everyday maybe twice a day depending on environment ect. If you go two days without watering late in flower its too long problems will most likely issue.

I'm assuming you watering to waste? because some of these problems can actually be from overwatering if you keep the pots in saucers with no waste, its really the same problem IMO the roots die from being flooded/waterlogged from no drainage. End result is 90% of your root system dies either way.


Unfortunately you can't really fix these plants but next round just keep up with the waterings and guarantee you don't have these problems. I "battled" this problem for so long overthinking it, thinking that it was not enough mag, not enough cal, too much nutes, not enough nutes all kinds of different things when the problem all stemmed from watering issues, and a simple correction and not slacking off on watering fixed everything.


This also solved my bud rot issues, no dead leaves = no bud rot. The decaying leaves were where the bud rot always started.


Sorry I rambled on there lol.

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[Hugh Midity]

lol mosted

lmao, I hope it doesn't get any worser cat

 

[gh0st9]

@greenlung, I din't mean rootbound as in the traditional sense of the term, I have 5ft moms going in 2 gal pots(weighed down so they don't tip) as well, but as in the sense that you meant, large root systems in small pots will dry out pretty quick... I use the term rootbound bc the mechanics of the watering cycle would be similar.. But i whle heartadly agree, cut the bs additives out, focus on your base and just do it well, and be on top of your watering game. And I concur about the drainage issues, I do away with saucers, I put em in a motar mixing tub tilted downwards with a runoff drain, if you let the water stagnate under the pot you may run into problems.

@cat, it does little good to change to h3ad's or fert regimen 1/2 through bloom imo.. Won't nesscarily bring em back, and infact by switching from a heavier feed to lighter feed before halfway through runs I've noticed I see cal or mg def's sometimes.. By supplementing a certain amt of ppm's extra over what you need then switching out base nutes that have less may send your plant into having def's bc they got so used to feeding at a certain ppm level. I max out at 1.4 ec tops under in 2 gal pots I usually hover around 1-1.2 tho

 

[Catatafish]

Im thinking its underwatering. I let em dry out last night a little bit as some of the bottoms looked to wet to me (nother story..) and they def look worse today.

I am twice a day currently. I guess i may need to kick up a 3rd time or something.

Lol hugh, it did get worser!

 

[Catatafish]

Doubled down ... del

 

[Catatafish]

Pic Time

White fire Alien 8 with issue:

Full plant with flash


Full Plant without flash


My sorry attempt of shooting the issue spot Notice how its localized to the top. Most of those burns on the margins are new. The tip burn was there prior but that too is mainly on the top.


Another, can see a little purpling which this plant doesnt do normally


One last one for kicks and giggles

 

[gh0st9]

Hey Cat, seems like we're all i agreement here lol, 3x a day def would be better, the more the better I always say. I have mine auto timed, 5-6x a day... recycle timers suck, escpecially the analog ones

 

[Catatafish]

Dont mind her pain and bondage style tie ups. She flops over pretty quickly breaks her self. I bet roughly 50% of her has already flopped and damn near broke and needed fixin.

This was her make it or break it run..... Mom already got the axe last week. Aint nobody got time for that shit. Frosty and stinky but smoke is bland even on good run. Plus she gets a little taller than i like.

 

[Catatafish]

Now i got a question ...

if i do add another watering on when should i do it? Is it better to space it out evenly which would put it in the "night time" or just before night time, or try to divide the watering all during the day during 3 equal parts (1. lights on, 2. + 4hr 3. +4hr)?

I have seen most everyone say dont water during the night is why i ask.

i have a dehuey if that matters for night time sprinkle

 

[Catatafish]

Make sure your not letting the coco dry out, it will even look wet on top sometimes so it's best to go by weight of the pot. If you let it dry out it can fry the roots and the majority of the roots die/dry out and cause problems. The plant will limp along and finish with yellow/crunchy dead leaves. Once those roots die in late flower they won't regrow like in veg so sometimes you notice your pot will be heavy with water but since you root system pretty much died it can't uptake that water and will be soggy

Your plants look like mine when i was waiting to long in-between waterings, it was always later in flower when i had the dying/crunchy leave issues. by fixing that watering issue I never had any problem in coco again.


Don't think its rootboud, I've had 6ft tall bushes in 2gal of coco with no issue.


What also leads me to watering issues is that your organic soil plants are doing fine which have no problem drying out, in coco you can't let that coco get dry your roots will shrivel up and die.

You should be watering everyday maybe twice a day depending on environment ect. If you go two days without watering late in flower its too long problems will most likely issue.

I'm assuming you watering to waste? because some of these problems can actually be from overwatering if you keep the pots in saucers with no waste, its really the same problem IMO the roots die from being flooded/waterlogged from no drainage. End result is 90% of your root system dies either way.


Unfortunately you can't really fix these plants but next round just keep up with the waterings and guarantee you don't have these problems. I "battled" this problem for so long overthinking it, thinking that it was not enough mag, not enough cal, too much nutes, not enough nutes all kinds of different things when the problem all stemmed from watering issues, and a simple correction and not slacking off on watering fixed everything.


This also solved my bud rot issues, no dead leaves = no bud rot. The decaying leaves were where the bud rot always started.


Sorry I rambled on there lol.

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Thanks for chiming in.

THey get twice a day currently. Draining should be ok, that blue bucket is an "inner bucket" of an ebb&flow system that rests in an "outer bucket" that is piped to a "dump bucket" with a pump that pumps that shit out once the level rises to a set height.

The one run i had with coco that was good was my first .... i didnt really know what i was doing and i just kept watering it like 3x daily as thats what everyone else was doing and i thought thats what gave it the "hydro-like" growth rates. Guess i should have quit readin the innernet long time ago

 

[Green lung]

Cat are you close to harvest in that damaged pic? I don't know if you give plain water at the end because coco plants fade pretty quick, a few days plain water and tips start to brown off, that was my other guess. On second look your problem wasn't as bad as I thought.


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[Catatafish]

This round is not bad at all compared to the previous rounds. Some plants worse than others in the previous rounds too. Last night im thinking i did more damage than the whole run as most of those burns are new, especially on the margins.

Yes this plant is pretty much done, i have been walking the ec down for about a week or so now instead of just plain water this round to see the difference. Some leaves are starting to fade a little, her sister is more noticable than this one.

im down to about 250ppm right now or .5 ec. Im half tempted to just chop her tonight so no more damage is done after what we discussed about the root sys. She has never tasted that great to begin with so ... not sure i would notice the diff with out a full flush

 

[gh0st9]

Hey cat, I tend to space out evenly as possible, i try to shoot for the last feed right before lights go off (10-11hrs in the light cycle) So it works like this lights on feed, every 2 hrs feed. Cut off right at 10 hrs or 11, the plants will drink until lights off. No feed in the dark, waste of nutes, and possible humidity issues, I don't see any upside to it imo. I rock a dehuey too in my spot, just never needed to water at night... The problem is with the internet is that it can be the most resourceful tool in the world, or can fill your head with nonsense(Crush/hardmode anyone?)

And I hear ya on the White fire alien... It's good, but just didn't hold up for me after running through 2 packs... High is bland, and doesn't taste as good as the wifi i tried...Huge tight nugs though that will snap its own stems np. I had a plant get 2.5 oz top heavy single cola off a .75 gal pot, if it wasn't for the trellising, it would've snapped and taken a good bit of that tray down with it lol.. I'll see if I can grab some old pics

 

[Catatafish]

The problem is with the internet is that it can be the most resourceful tool in the world, or can fill your head with nonsense(Crush/hardmode anyone?)

So very true.


I have another cut, diff pheno, of WFA that is one of my fav cuts. Comparing the one i posted to my fav one is like comparing AA ball to the majors though. Im sure a lot of people would love it but.... one only has so much space. Theres some pics in the thread of her floating around. From what i have seen most white crosses seem to be more show than taste. Same with a lot of others findings on WFA most are bland.

 

[gh0st9]

Yeah for people who grow or have discerning taste, I might reckon they'll have similar lines of thinking.. The WFA imo is a watered down version of the Wifi I tried, although that Wifi still is top 3 smoke for me all time, just gotta source a few packs...

I had 1 good cut, but even then couldn't a candle to some of my older genetics, looks wise 10/10 solid bag appeal could get rid of it based on looks alone no problem, taste and high though just wasn't there.. My White romulan I'm also testing out so we'll see how that goes, did the preliminary sort last run got 2 phenos a peice of WFA and WR from 4 packs of seeds, we'll see if the best of that bunch can hold up against the rest of my stable or get culled like ya said, ain't nobody got time or space for non keepers..

 

[Green lung]

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Just popped some Mr, Nice Critical Mass from a few years ago I found in the vault, maybe we can find yielder in there.



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[stihgnobevoli]

Ok, i have an issue i have been fighting with im going to post up here first as a lot of you guys use coco....so please excuse the wrong location post

Im not saying the issue is because of coco, could be completely unrelated, but i can make it happen in coco pretty easy it seems . In organic soil i never had this as far as i can ever remember over many yrs. But im about at my wits fucking end of chasing shit.

I have been running into this issue everytime, some plants worse than others, the last few runs. Its always on the top part, best colas that are receiving the best light while other portions of the plants will be perfectly fine. I do my best to keep the light, in a blockbuster hood with glass removed, at least 24-36" or so away.

Here is a pic from someone else that shows the same issue...hopefully they dont mind ;0 They are getting much better lighting in the pic than my hps soaked images came out.

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If you notice the very tip of the cola has calyx's that are "burnt" looking. They also go down the cola a little bit. It makes for an ugly nug without major trim work.

Usually when i see this start i get some yellowing on the top part of that plant as well while other branches are beautiful shade of green yet. The yellowing goes downward as it progresses. There always seems to be tip burn on the fans of these areas as to where there wont be much on other areas, just very very slight elsewhere.

Sometimes i see a calcium def in the fans on that limb that contains the problem but this time i dont. I kept the calmag on longer this time and no real cal issues now. No real yellowing this time either. I have just started to flush or taperdown actually the ec and now its happening slightly.

I was thinking it was nute burn but i have ran 1.0-1.2 ec then entire run this time.

Maybe heat/rh/media drying coming into play...??? I have kept the temps 75-78 ambient, obviously its a little hotter directly under the bulb but i can hold my hand there without issue. I keep RH 50-70%. They are in 2gal buckets, i water twice a day after about 3 weeks in, once at lights on and then about 6-8hrs later. the very top qtr inch or so of coco seems to dry but everything under there is still moist. If anything i would think maybe a little too wet\compaction in the very bottom of the bucket.

This shit always shows up like 6 weeks in or later. Varies a little bit.

I have scoped for RA's and found nothing but there are a shitload of springtails.....always.

Any questions ask away....sorry for the novel.

i get that when my plants are too close to the bulb. radiant heat is drying out the pistils, leaves, calyx, anything in range.

 

[bugman52]

Ok, i have an issue i have been fighting with im going to post up here first as a lot of you guys use coco....so please excuse the wrong location post

Im not saying the issue is because of coco, could be completely unrelated, but i can make it happen in coco pretty easy it seems . In organic soil i never had this as far as i can ever remember over many yrs. But im about at my wits fucking end of chasing shit.

I have been running into this issue everytime, some plants worse than others, the last few runs. Its always on the top part, best colas that are receiving the best light while other portions of the plants will be perfectly fine. I do my best to keep the light, in a blockbuster hood with glass removed, at least 24-36" or so away.

Here is a pic from someone else that shows the same issue...hopefully they dont mind ;0 They are getting much better lighting in the pic than my hps soaked images came out.

View attachment 306636

If you notice the very tip of the cola has calyx's that are "burnt" looking. They also go down the cola a little bit. It makes for an ugly nug without major trim work.

Usually when i see this start i get some yellowing on the top part of that plant as well while other branches are beautiful shade of green yet. The yellowing goes downward as it progresses. There always seems to be tip burn on the fans of these areas as to where there wont be much on other areas, just very very slight elsewhere.

Sometimes i see a calcium def in the fans on that limb that contains the problem but this time i dont. I kept the calmag on longer this time and no real cal issues now. No real yellowing this time either. I have just started to flush or taperdown actually the ec and now its happening slightly.

I was thinking it was nute burn but i have ran 1.0-1.2 ec then entire run this time.

Maybe heat/rh/media drying coming into play...??? I have kept the temps 75-78 ambient, obviously its a little hotter directly under the bulb but i can hold my hand there without issue. I keep RH 50-70%. They are in 2gal buckets, i water twice a day after about 3 weeks in, once at lights on and then about 6-8hrs later. the very top qtr inch or so of coco seems to dry but everything under there is still moist. If anything i would think maybe a little too wet\compaction in the very bottom of the bucket.

This shit always shows up like 6 weeks in or later. Varies a little bit.

I have scoped for RA's and found nothing but there are a shitload of springtails.....always.

Any questions ask away....sorry for the novel.

1)auto feed or by hand? usually auto, but this round i have been babying by hand

2)have they also been fed at 1.0-1.2 ec through their whole life? Yes, maybe slightly more like 1.3. Previous rounds where its worse, following GH sched it gets up to near 2.0
3) Straight coco, if so, brand and do you reuse? This round straight canna. Previous rounds cut with 20-25% perlite. Trying to get away from perlite so my dump spot doesnt get pissed at me . I havent re-used yet due to issues
4)Any taco-ing, odd coloration? Yes some, i will try to snatch a full plant shot tonight on one of the current offenders if i can wrangle it into some better lighting
5)Base nutes? GH 3 part on a few. V&B RO on a different few. In past it was all GH. I have added no boosters or LKB this round at all, just base and calmag
6)lighting? 1k hps

ive been getting the same thing latley.
mine is because of the new 1000w hp & to dry in my room.
the tip burn is probley to much ppm's feed.
i use to feed at 900-1.1 ppm's,got tip burns,
i droped down to 600-800 no burning an the plants R much happyer . just my

 

[stihgnobevoli]

Plants are loving the new setup so far. not really all happy about what i'm feeding, but we must hard mode on.

BSK#4

BSK#3

Weezy 58 days

Florideez #1(Goliath)left and #2 right

lastly the Deez (CSG- SourStrawberryHaze diesel leaner) it's only like week 4 and this shit's gotten all the way to the bulb. it's actually over the reflector. i only have this lamp on 300w i can't imagine how i'm gonna control this shit with 600watts on it. still got 6-7 more weeks before it's done. yikes! never had an issue with too much weed when i was running the 100watts.

 

[unregistered190]

Thanks for the feedback on the fade guys.........better to ask then to be sorry afterwards

Day 49 for the Glue..................won't be long now. And never mind the dog hair @ 8 O' Clock