Exactly... and some of the crosses I've tried I prefer to the parent... If you can't get the cut, sure... F2s or S1s or out-crosses or incrosses all stand a decent chance of kicking out a plant Similar to or better than the mom.Rgd said:
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ELITE CLONES TO S1 FOR THE MASSES
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What is interesting is that in all of the botany papers and text that I've read...
the product of self pollination of a hybrid is always referred to an F2, and never as an S1...
the product of self pollination of a hybrid is always referred to an F2, and never as an S1...
I can see why, if the pollen is of itself, or it's siblings, it is the same filial generation... so therefor the offspring by any of these..... would be the next filial gen....??
this 300 seconds bullshit is pissing me off....
this 300 seconds bullshit is pissing me off....
Let me preface this by saying that I am utterly ignorant about breeding and this is almost certainly wrong. Having said that, I was under the impression that selfed seeds are feminized; isn't that how Soma makes his feminized seeds? And wouldn't that constitute at least one difference between f1s and s1s? Just throwing that out there, don't rip me apart I'm just high and curious.
Socrates said:
Excellent Question!
Well... Fem'd seeds can be an F1, or an F2, or a Poly-Hybrid, or an IBL...
It depends on how it is done.
A reversed plant pollinating itself or a sibling makes an F2.
A reversed IBL plant Pollinating another unrelated IBL plant makes an F1.
A reversed Hybrid pollinating an unrelated hybrid makes a poly-hybrid.
A reversed IBL plant pollinating another related IBL plant, make an IBL.
Fem'd or not makes no difference.
Way to break it down H3ad.... 
Alright, I think I've got it now. So, to take that and apply it to a real-world situation... lets say I had a Jack Herer mother (hybrid) that, due to light stress manipulation, threw out a few nanners and pollinated a grapefruit mother (also hybrid), then the resultant seeds would be feminized polyhybrids? Would these also be termed F1s, since its the first filial generation of a cross of two unrelated parents?
P.S. Thanks for the clarification Grateful, I'm a big fan of your work and you're a true asset to this community.
P.S. Thanks for the clarification Grateful, I'm a big fan of your work and you're a true asset to this community.
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Alot of people would try to call them F1, but the only true F1s come from unrelated inbred lines or landrace strains.
"Having said that, I was under the impression that selfed seeds are feminized;"
Most all...but not all.
Males do rear their heads with the "feminizing,"at least via sts .
My unscienetific opinion is that I have found their offspring to behave like normal non reversed plants, hence very valuable.
Perhaps it defies science,all i know is that it does happen occasionally.
Most all...but not all.
Males do rear their heads with the "feminizing,"at least via sts .
My unscienetific opinion is that I have found their offspring to behave like normal non reversed plants, hence very valuable.
Perhaps it defies science,all i know is that it does happen occasionally.
people dont want the exact copy of that clone most would be happy with having that strain period. it could be better or worse but it doesnt make it not that strain. hope I said that right shit I would love to have a cut of that grandaddy green or whatever its called gotta find that thread again
Thunders77
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Has anybody heard anything about the Classic Clone Company since CW went down?
They had Bubba Kush and Aeric's Cali-O for alot less than what Dr.Greenthumbs is offering them for, and the grow reports were positive.
They had Bubba Kush and Aeric's Cali-O for alot less than what Dr.Greenthumbs is offering them for, and the grow reports were positive.
Evolution
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H3ad-
I'm not angry w/ you or the truth bro...just an ill phrased suggestion to check your tone and your priorities...from a concerned fan...I admire your work and your mind, you are quite intelligent but you seem like a bully sometimes...thats it bro...
I didn't come here to start shit at all...just engage in some spirited scientific debate for the benefit of myself and others. I am the ass for unnecessary name calling, relating to unrelated issues.
BTW..
Do you have any links on the refs that refer to hybrid s1's as f2's?
"One of the most profound aspects of the cannabis experience for me is its ability to act as a counter-balance to my personal, male-dominance syndrome.
Cannabis allows me a reprieve from the otherwise distracting male-conditioned response of attempting to dominate my environment. My conditioning of aggressive competitiveness is temporarily quelled, and I am allowed to experience reality in a much more non-linear relationship. The routine desire to compete and conquer is replaced with a sense of cooperation and community. In a word, I have learned to become a feminist.
By "feminist" I mean the protected right to be feminine, cooperative, community-centered and globally concerned, able and free to discern subtleties, intuitive and submissive without the fear of dominator conquest and control. The fine quality cannabis experience allows me to better understand, accept, and serve fate.
One of the things I have learned about "us" (the cooperators) and "them" (the dominators) is that they need us much more than we need them. This is one fact that I wish very much for our community to realize. Toward realizing that end, I have found the finest quality cannabis to be an invaluable resource."--DJShort
I'm not angry w/ you or the truth bro...just an ill phrased suggestion to check your tone and your priorities...from a concerned fan...I admire your work and your mind, you are quite intelligent but you seem like a bully sometimes...thats it bro...
I didn't come here to start shit at all...just engage in some spirited scientific debate for the benefit of myself and others. I am the ass for unnecessary name calling, relating to unrelated issues.
BTW..
Do you have any links on the refs that refer to hybrid s1's as f2's?
"One of the most profound aspects of the cannabis experience for me is its ability to act as a counter-balance to my personal, male-dominance syndrome.
Cannabis allows me a reprieve from the otherwise distracting male-conditioned response of attempting to dominate my environment. My conditioning of aggressive competitiveness is temporarily quelled, and I am allowed to experience reality in a much more non-linear relationship. The routine desire to compete and conquer is replaced with a sense of cooperation and community. In a word, I have learned to become a feminist.
By "feminist" I mean the protected right to be feminine, cooperative, community-centered and globally concerned, able and free to discern subtleties, intuitive and submissive without the fear of dominator conquest and control. The fine quality cannabis experience allows me to better understand, accept, and serve fate.
One of the things I have learned about "us" (the cooperators) and "them" (the dominators) is that they need us much more than we need them. This is one fact that I wish very much for our community to realize. Toward realizing that end, I have found the finest quality cannabis to be an invaluable resource."--DJShort
Yes... A back cross is crossing one of the children back to the mother.
Do a google for 'self pollination' and 'f2' and see what all you come up with... You should be able to find tons of self pollinated progeny referred to as f2...
Do a google for 'self pollination' and 'f2' and see what all you come up with... You should be able to find tons of self pollinated progeny referred to as f2...
And I may seem like a bully sometimes, but only because I won't back down when I know the facts, and I won't let 'bullshit facts' be posted unchecked... I never push back unless I'm pushed, How exactly does that make me a bully?
