Effective Microorganisms, aka EM

[secondtry]

MM wrote:
To be clear to the best of my knowledge, besides AM (endomycorrhizal fungi) ectomycorrhizal fungi is also classed as mycorrhizal but Trichoderma is not.

Good catch, thanks.

 

[scotianmeds]

Great work guys

 

[scotianmeds]

Back on topic, how do you guys find EM works throughout grows to control salt build ups??? I grow 100% organic but also in coco coir and as such I do not like to really flush out my medium much as it can wreck havoc on my CEC. Any comments would be great. Thanks guys

 

[Microbeman]

I promise this is the last post regarding fungi or anything else not EM, lol... But from my understanding what type of organisms that develop in an ACT is totally based on the compost quality and contents, and also the food source fed while brewing, also the temps and brewing time.

Endo, ecto, ectendo and ericoid, there are four classifications and these classifications are based mainly on how the fungi interacts with the roots.

Nothing is myco before it actually symbiates with the roots, mycorrhial speak totally of the relationship between the roots and any of a huge amount of naturally occuring soil and compost fungi. A great deal of manufactures that sell myco are basically isolating the most beneficial strains contained in composts and rich forest soils. But the fungi that form myco relationships with the plant are culturable from any quality compost or vermicompost, and no it is not in a myco form because it can not actually be called myco until it interacts with the roots.

"While mycorrhizal fungi were first studied in trees, research now encompasses all types of plants, both annual and perennial. Many strains of mycorrhizal fungi have been isolated, many of which are adapted to specific plant species. More importantly for the consumer, much work is being done by commercial companies, who are culturing mycorrhizal fungi and making them available to growers. This eliminates the variable results of using compost, which didn't always contain the best strains for the plants it was used on. However there are also species of fungi that work with many species of plants."

http://www.bunchgrapes.com/mycorrhiza.html


So the fungi that form the connections is already present and will more then likely do its job in soil naturally but culturing them in a ACT speeds things up dramatically. Yeah trichoderma is not a true strain of myco but will colonize roots readily and act basically as myco.


MycoparasitismTrichoderma spp. are fungi that are present in nearly all soils. In soil, they frequently are the most prevalent culturable fungi. They also exist in many other diverse habitats.

Trichoderma redily colonizes plant roots and some strains are rhizosphere competent i.e. able to grow on roots as they develop. Trichoderma spp. also attack, parasitize and otherwise gain nutrition from other fungi. They have evolved numerous mechanisms for both attack of other fungi and for enhancing plant and root growth. Different strains of Trichoderma control almost every pathogenic fungus for which control has been sought. However, most Trichoderma strains are more efficient for control of some pathogens than others, and may be largely ineffective against some fungi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trichoderma_harzianum

You are so mixed up that I would need to out put too much work to re-explain what I have explained already too many times. Perhaps 2nd try will provide some legitimate regerences for you to read.
Other than that what I stated is 100% acurrate. If you believe Dr. Ingham she also supports what I said, as does Mr. Stamets. If you look at my webpage you may believe I am not an idiot
www.microbeorganics.com

 

[mad librettist]

microbeman, if you get a chance, your ratio when using EM with ACT (I am using slurry).

I am assuming 1:1000 but maybe less?

 

[Microbeman]

microbeman, if you get a chance, your ratio when using EM with ACT (I am using slurry).

I am assuming 1:1000 but maybe less?

Tandem means one after the other as described in my growing method

 

[mad librettist]

oh sorry and thanks.

it would be nice if that method were linked in your sig. I used to have it somewhere...

 

[Microbeman]

oh sorry and thanks.

it would be nice if that method were linked in your sig. I used to have it somewhere...

Sorry to be short with you. I got put off by a couple of PMs. I used AEM in between plantings at around 1:250 to 1:500

 

[Microbeman]

So the fungi that form the connections is already present and will more then likely do its job in soil naturally but culturing them in a ACT speeds things up dramatically.

Re; your PM
Endo mycorrhizal spores only sprout in contact with roots except for one isolated lab study that I only heard of. Rather than write my webpage off because I sell the least expensive brewers on the market, why not read some of it first. You may think you cited something but your link is only a site and I did not see that it supports your statement anyway. I don't feel like wasting my bandwidth and downloading papers to you so perhaps if 2ndtry feels like it he will. BTW the term VAM is no longer used.

 

[secondtry]

Hey MM,

I pretty much wrote him/her off, I don't think that person wants to learn or discuss, but to be correct and argue. Don't sweat it. Have a good one.

 

[mad librettist]

maybe he/she really didn't mean it that way, and it just came out wrong...