ecsd...

[Loknar]

Have the Chaco, AJ, Rez, and Archive cuts as well... But haven't worked them into the flower rotation yet.

 

[TPFTFW]

I believe the majority of the "Sour" coming from the West Coast was the cut NotSoDog gave out as "LA Kush"... I know that's the cut I, and several others, were running.
I'm convinced it's the same cut I recently got as "the Real" Sour... Which, to my understanding, is what Piffcoast got from Deer Dude... Or somebody close to him.
FC started calling it "the Real" when he got bent outta shape over it.

This is my last run around week seven.

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id have to heartily disagree there

la kush is the actual headband the chem crew lost or likely so, dont want to speak in absolutes and put words into someones mouth.. so no its not the jayp.. dick coast is a fucking hack as well
and if you think headband and sour are the same then you must have gotten a fake la kush

 

[TPFTFW]

Right on. I must have glossed over the hunter, Jay and skunktek post.

I agree with the majority of stuff out there being bunk in one way or the other.

For years I was of the opinion that ecsd was the sour cut until I got the Albany and see the difference now. Totally argued with someone about it lol. Once he said he could give me rez's email address to talk to him about it I dug in even more. Could have been arguing with rez for all I know.

No worries. I’ve been direct/unfiltered enough over the years that I immediately try to defuse the situation instead of trying to keep it going. Hard to clearly see intent through words on the internet.

I will say that sharing stuff can be a pain and I understand why one wouldn't. I only do it because early on that's how I was brought into this scene by a couple of older cats. There's a couple of guys near me that don't share certain things I'd love to have, with anyone, because they know it'd be 4 states away in a month lmao.

yeah im grabbing the albany at some point a friend has her and offered, ill try it out. try anything once right.

and cooler heads always prevail.. ive been in my fair share of shit throwing competitions on the internet and at a certain point its senseless so im right there with ya.

and as far as not giving stuff out, bitch coast farms aka piss coast is a prime example of why I dont.. people like him are selling cannabis heritage to companies and anyone with a few hundred dollars.. the only thing we have as cottage industry types is the genetics long held close by those who came before us.. if you put in work and make a cut.. sell It you deserve too.. but making money off other peoples work and giving it to anyone with a check book is bitch made. sell all the runtz cuts you want idgaf about hype shit but leave heritage alone. for me personally that's a line ill never cross.

 

[Loknar]

id have to heartily disagree there

la kush is the actual headband the chem crew lost or likely so, dont want to speak in absolutes and put words into someones mouth.. so no its not the jayp.. dick coast is a fucking hack as well
and if you think headband and sour are the same then you must have gotten a fake la kush

Maybe... Was given it early to mid 2000's by my friend/broker... First time I grew it out, and gave him the flower, he said it was Sour... Grew it almost exclusively for a decade... All of it went to market as SourD or just Diesel... Gave him back a lot of cuts that were sent back down to NorCal labeled SourD. Never heard of LA Kush again until a podcast with NotSo about a year ago.

 

[TPFTFW]

Maybe... Was given it early to mid 2000's by my friend/broker... First time I grew it out, and gave him the flower, he said it was Sour... Grew it almost exclusively for a decade... All of it went to market as SourD or just Diesel... Gave him back a lot of cuts that were sent back down to NorCal labeled SourD. Never heard of LA Kush again until a podcast with NotSo about a year ago.

he says its entirely possible as he got it in 01, and many called it sour at that point.. but also said as soon as the sour wave ended most people dropped it

I have no experience with the la kush so I suppose ill retort my statement, however I do find it hard to believe its indistinguishable from a straight sour

but there be folks who have both and you'd think they'd have figured out its the same cut by now

 

[quiescent]

Maybe... Was given it early to mid 2000's by my friend/broker... First time I grew it out, and gave him the flower, he said it was Sour... Grew it almost exclusively for a decade... All of it went to market as SourD or just Diesel... Gave him back a lot of cuts that were sent back down to NorCal labeled SourD. Never heard of LA Kush again until a podcast with NotSo about a year ago.

I'll have to listen to some of those shows he did with riot. I saw they were posted to stitcher recently.

As far as the headband/LA Kush thing goes... at the same time we were getting the sour I mentioned previously we also got headband. Was similar to sour but heavier high and more pine/rubber than that sour.

I suppose that there's a chance that you might have been connected to my buddy in the midwest. Circa 2010-2013ish. Dude stopped answering his phone one day, haven't seen or heard from him since.

One day I told him like 10 strains I was wanting cuts of and he started getting the stuff in 3# foodsaver pillows literally 2 weeks later. Told him that if he wanted people to pay $60/eighth all the way up he needed to always have top notch, not just when a local harvested or it was Christmas time.

Mentioned sour diesel, trainwreck, chem, headband, blue dream, etc and it started popping up. Also had chocolate diesel before gorilla glue was a thought. Some of it was indoor, some outdoor.

Some fluffy small buds bullshit called the real Mccoy that chugged huge dick made its way every trip too. Guessing it was a haze hybrid they chopped at 9 weeks, high lasted about 22 minutes and it tasted/smelled like nothing.

Let me know if any of that matches up to what was going on near you. Always interested in hearing what was going on in that area during that time period.

 

[quiescent]

he says its entirely possible as he got it in 01, and many called it sour at that point.. but also said as soon as the sour wave ended most people dropped it

I have no experience with the la kush so I suppose ill retort my statement, however I do find it hard to believe its indistinguishable from a straight sour

but there be folks who have both and you'd think they'd have figured out its the same cut by now

I think the average smoker would probably call the headband we got diesel if you asked them what they thought it was. Someone with discerning tastes would probably be able to distinguish between them in the bag.

There's someone with a lot of chem fam cuts in the pnw that says they've got a really old, rare headband cut. I dont think he'd leave out the loompas part, he has a lot of older regional cuts as well.

 

[TPFTFW]

I think the average smoker would probably call the headband we got diesel if you asked them what they thought it was. Someone with discerning tastes would probably be able to distinguish between them in the bag.

There's someone with a lot of chem fam cuts in the pnw that says they've got a really old, rare headband cut. I dont think he'd leave out the loompas part, he has a lot of older regional cuts as well.

right but were not talking about average smoker but instead the grower of said strain

I would say the AVERAGE modern day smoker likely hasn't even smoked a real sour clone only but instead rez work etc

so I wouldn't hold it against em

at least where I am in the MW

I do have some chocolate diesel f1's from drawoh I wanna get to as well

 

[silverhazefiend]

It’s refreshing to see people finally talk about that headband I was lucky enough to get packs I means packs for 3 years straight from about 2011-2013 all of it was directly from humboldt I got hooked up with a cat from online and he took care of me .. would make the drive up every week and come back down like clockwork

I’m sure my guy had to kno some of those guys Bc he had exclusive I mean shit that wasn’t leaving humboldt it didn’t have too it was cash upfront before hand or it missing the trip no debate .. I think he covered me 300 outta pocket twice so I kno

I’m from the city so I kno real sour and fake sour before there was a market for anything else all we knew was haze and sour .. nothing else ! Skunk was cheap weed sour was like sipping don P especially at 20 a .7-8

that headband is better than sour to me the pine rubber gas just made it so much better and the high was serious with no build up .. that headband can’t be mistaken for sour unless ur a novice .. avg smoker is gonna say that’s sour but a real smoker is gonna kno it’s next level .. I’ve been chasing this weed for 10 years it just fell off the face of the earth .. now that I have the loompa we’ll see but when I used to get it it was just headband ( humboldt headband) maybe the cut got spread to arcata etc to get the NorCal tag

he also got me packs of orange crush which I heard is supposed to be super rare only from humboldt nothing like tangie .. ak47 the real one .. one of the most unique smelling and tasting strains I still remember it I can see why it was so popular back in the day .. and pre 98 bubba my first time tasting a real chocolate coffee kush strain when u first smoke a elite cut u never forget the flavor and the smell is just next level



what I noticed since 2005-10 is that ogs have been watered down a lot the ones I was getting from dispos for 4K back then would be elite all of them .. now og is just a tag

 

[TPFTFW]

It’s refreshing to see people finally talk about that headband I was lucky enough to get packs I means packs for 3 years straight from about 2011-2013 all of it was directly from humboldt I got hooked up with a cat from online and he took care of me .. would make the drive up every week and come back down like clockwork

I’m from the city so I kno real sour and fake sour before there was a market for anything else all we knew was haze and sour .. nothing else ! Skunk was cheap weed sour was like sipping don P especially at 20 a .7-8

that headband is better than sour to me the pine rubber gas just made it so much better and the high was serious with no build up .. that headband can’t be mistaken for sour unless ur a novice .. avg smoker is gonna say that’s sour but a real smoker is gonna kno it’s next level .. I’ve been chasing this weed for 10 years it just fell off the face of the earth .. now that I have the loompa we’ll see but when I used to get it it was just headband ( humboldt headband) maybe the cut got spread to arcata etc to get the NorCal tag

he also got me packs of orange crush which I heard is supposed to be super rare only from humboldt nothing like tangie .. ak47 the real one .. one of the most unique smelling and tasting strains I still remember it I can see why it was so popular back in the day .. and pre 98 bubba my first time tasting a real chocolate coffee kush strain when u first smoke a elite cut u never forget the flavor and the smell is just next level



what I noticed since 2005-10 is that ogs have been watered down a lot the ones I was getting from dispos for 4K back then would be elite all of them .. now og is just a tag

loompas headband is just an OG and he's a fuckin junky lol. I have homies who have used but he's just a POS

he can be nice at times but dont get too close
I made the same mistake

If I were to gather all of the cobwebs on his walls of his trailer id have a few bows of cobwebs lol

robbed families of a man who had died in the phillipines list goes on

edit: the blueberry headband is fire tho

and the OG I would say is in the top 5 best so I mean.. its still a great cut just has literally nothing to do with the actual headband

 

[quiescent]

So that being said about the loompas I can get you in contact with the gentleman I was speaking of previously with what I think we're both looking for.

 

[TPFTFW]

So that being said about the loompas I can get you in contact with the gentleman I was speaking of previously with what I think we're both looking for.

I appreciate the sentiment but I was pretty serious about not taking cuts in for the foreseeable future

I could definitely try and help you verify it is the la kush/headband when you do get it tho as a a few homies do have it.

only thing else it could be is the 707 I would think, but possibilities are literally endless

 

[Loknar]

he says its entirely possible as he got it in 01, and many called it sour at that point.. but also said as soon as the sour wave ended most people dropped it

I have no experience with the la kush so I suppose ill retort my statement, however I do find it hard to believe its indistinguishable from a straight sour

but there be folks who have both and you'd think they'd have figured out its the same cut by now

Yea... I'm just voicing my opinion... It's all I ever knew as "Sour"... I wasn't smoking anything else... Just what I was growing.
My friend, the one I got the "LA Kush" from, agreed it was the same last time we got together.

​​​​​​I've always been in cave so to speak... Signed up here in 2013, when I was told the market shifted, got handed cuts of Cookies, and wanted to know wtf they were... But did more lurking than posting.
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​​​​​​Was pretty obsessed with finding it... Gathered a few others along the way... Intend to get to them all... Eventually.



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[Loknar]

I'll have to listen to some of those shows he did with riot. I saw they were posted to stitcher recently.

As far as the headband/LA Kush thing goes... at the same time we were getting the sour I mentioned previously we also got headband. Was similar to sour but heavier high and more pine/rubber than that sour.

I suppose that there's a chance that you might have been connected to my buddy in the midwest. Circa 2010-2013ish. Dude stopped answering his phone one day, haven't seen or heard from him since.

One day I told him like 10 strains I was wanting cuts of and he started getting the stuff in 3# foodsaver pillows literally 2 weeks later. Told him that if he wanted people to pay $60/eighth all the way up he needed to always have top notch, not just when a local harvested or it was Christmas time.

Mentioned sour diesel, trainwreck, chem, headband, blue dream, etc and it started popping up. Also had chocolate diesel before gorilla glue was a thought. Some of it was indoor, some outdoor.

Some fluffy small buds bullshit called the real Mccoy that chugged huge dick made its way every trip too. Guessing it was a haze hybrid they chopped at 9 weeks, high lasted about 22 minutes and it tasted/smelled like nothing.

Let me know if any of that matches up to what was going on near you. Always interested in hearing what was going on in that area during that time period.

No... Not matching up.
My friend had many more friends than me... But mid west off... And never heard of anything called Real Mccoy.

 

[Loknar]

loompas headband is just an OG and he's a fuckin junky lol. I have homies who have used but he's just a POS

he can be nice at times but dont get too close
I made the same mistake

If I were to gather all of the cobwebs on his walls of his trailer id have a few bows of cobwebs lol

robbed families of a man who had died in the phillipines list goes on

edit: the blueberry headband is fire tho

and the OG I would say is in the top 5 best so I mean.. its still a great cut just has literally nothing to do with the actual headband

Yea... Have Loompas in flower now... With a bunch of other "OG's".
Excited for it... But definitely not Headband.

 

[Loknar]

I appreciate the sentiment but I was pretty serious about not taking cuts in for the foreseeable future

I could definitely try and help you verify it is the la kush/headband when you do get it tho as a a few homies do have it.

only thing else it could be is the 707 I would think, but possibilities are literally endless

 

[TPFTFW]

im not a very big fan of the 707 to be frank, was just listing really the only other headband that could be considered rare. post some pics when she's done tho

ok there was a lot more posts then that just saw them

however I can say with literal certainty the la kush is not the jayP, so if that's what your talking about regarding your friend saying they were the same then your both wrong or you each didn't have the la kush.

and yeah loom pas is ok like I had said id put it in the top 5 but id still grow the BB UNDERDOG/headband over the straight cut
he's been called out a 1000x for calling it headband I even asked him why personally and he just side stepped the issue lol
the best OG is the one you dial in
this is a sour thread tho

 

[Loknar]

im not a very big fan of the 707 to be frank, was just listing really the only other headband that could be considered rare. post some pics when she's done tho

ok there was a lot more posts then that just saw them

however I can say with literal certainty the la kush is not the jayP, so if that's what your talking about regarding your friend saying they were the same then your both wrong or you each didn't have the la kush.

and yeah loom pas is ok like I had said id put it in the top 5 but id still grow the BB UNDERDOG/headband over the straight cut
he's been called out a 1000x for calling it headband I even asked him why personally and he just side stepped the issue lol
the best OG is the one you dial in
this is a sour thread tho

Like I said... Maybe.
Wasn't incentive to relabel SourD as LA Kush back then... I could see the opposite happening though.

This is the cut I'm talking about... Is it "JayP's"?... I'm under that impression... But shits so bastardized I can't keep up.

 

[The Baphomet]

the cut I received.... I originally thought was going to be JayP, but it came labeled as Chaco. It's got the variegation. I read somewhere that PiffCoast said the plantspeker cut had the variegation.

The hunter mountain/JP shows variegation when it’s not fed correctly. I never seen variegation show in the ECSd/chaco when I ran it for several years ..

 

[TPFTFW]

Like I said... Maybe.
Wasn't incentive to relabel SourD as LA Kush back then... I could see the opposite happening though.

This is the cut I'm talking about... Is it "JayP's"?... I'm under that impression... But shits so bastardized I can't keep up.

right im just saying for a damn fact the la kush is not jayP's as you had alluded to earlier. notso has the jayp its not the jayp

theres clearly no way for me to know but I can almost assuredly say THE REAL sour is not being sold by some genetics place

they're just cut sluts whoring out heritage for cash