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[Jcue81]

3rd-3yed - Can you share any tips or observations about your organic runs with the chaco cut? How did you keep her happy?

 

[3rd-3yed]

3rd-3yed - Can you share any tips or observations about your organic runs with the chaco cut? How did you keep her happy?

Like you said she like MG and also she needs N till 3-4 weeks into flowering (once stretch is over keep feeding her Nitrogen at least 2 more weeks with moderate P & K), then P & K to week 7 and water only for the last 3 weeks.

 

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Your spot on green made the pk cross and chefro the sfv and the other og ..

I remember when the Dud was first discovered and talked about heavily in sour dub .. at that time people were saying it’s hearsay but after a while they confirmed that the sour dub had issues fast forward all these years and that virus is changing the landscape

I still have like a few beans made from the Chaco bx but I can’t get them to pop my storage wasn’t the best and it’s been a while

FWIW I got the cut from the guy I think I saw you mention sourcing it from at the other place. I had no issues with it being sick, granted I didn't test but 4 runs with no issues.


Yes, the ecsd clone takes a while for me to get roots...the only thing slower for me is the crinkle legend og. AJs and something labeled sour diesel from Albany root faster in the same machine. I've not found many plants with chem91 in the mix that root quickly.

 

[quiescent]

3rd-3yed - Can you share any tips or observations about your organic runs with the chaco cut? How did you keep her happy?

Totally anecdotal observations from a long time sour lover.


Does better with more minerals available in the soil vs drenching something like EJ micro or tm7/big 6; I've had better results with sea90 than the other products with sours. Calcium is huge, more gypsum than you'd normally use to make sure there's bountiful micros available. When you do your topdresses make sure you're using some sort of bone/feather/crab meal and kelp in the mix with a touch of gypsum.

She stops drinking heavily around week 9. Finishes faster using malted grains and coconut/aloe. Get the heavier buzz, comparable to 82-84 days in 77-78

 

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[Jcue81]

Totally anecdotal observations from a long time sour lover.


Does better with more minerals available in the soil vs drenching something like EJ micro or tm7/big 6; I've had better results with sea90 than the other products with sours. Calcium is huge, more gypsum than you'd normally use to make sure there's bountiful micros available. When you do your topdresses make sure you're using some sort of bone/feather/crab meal and kelp in the mix with a touch of gypsum.

She stops drinking heavily around week 9. Finishes faster using malted grains and coconut/aloe. Get the heavier buzz, comparable to 82-84 days in 77-78

Wow, this is exactly what I was looking for. I’m using the coot recipe in an earthbox so per cubic foot I have 1 cup of crab/lobster meal, 1 cup of kelp, a cup of neem cake and half a cup gypsum and 3 cups of basalt. Going to flower her on the shorter side once I get some cuts rooted up. I appreciate your reply!!

 

[silverhazefiend]

FWIW I got the cut from the guy I think I saw you mention sourcing it from at the other place. I had no issues with it being sick, granted I didn't test but 4 runs with no issues.


Yes, the ecsd clone takes a while for me to get roots...the only thing slower for me is the crinkle legend og. AJs and something labeled sour diesel from Albany root faster in the same machine. I've not found many plants with chem91 in the mix that root quickly.

Good to see u chime in being one of the people who has been running this for a while I kno you kno your stuff

I found out the cuts I got were dipped and under a real low light led so they all could have been shocked two are almost dead but the loompa I got first with the aj made roots even thru all the stress all 3 snips it’s a month later and the aj is struggling for me but the smell of the snips was unmistakable sour I’m gonna try to get some new cuts this week

I ran the legend it’s pics on the other site I lost her when one of my new clones I bought had mites I did a clean up and had to dump the mb15 and the sfv before running them .. the legend reminds me of Tahoe og just a better version I miss the legend

I have two mosca ecsd x legend vegging tho so we’ll see

 

[quiescent]

Wow, this is exactly what I was looking for. I’m using the coot recipe in an earthbox so per cubic foot I have 1 cup of crab/lobster meal, 1 cup of kelp, a cup of neem cake and half a cup gypsum and 3 cups of basalt. Going to flower her on the shorter side once I get some cuts rooted up. I appreciate your reply!!

You'll be good to go with how you're doing it.

Dunno if you've grown with sips or blumats before but they speed growth up more than you might expect. Just keep up on your compost/amendment topdressing in those sips, they deplete faster than hand watering will. I like to let them dry the res and top water after a fresh layer of compost/food is applied.

Only used sips outside with tomatoes and peppers so the soil was mounded up quite a bit by the end of the season with the top dresses. The wicks couldn't pull enough water up to get much of the top moist so in times of drought or high heat I was giving them a couple seconds with the watering wand every day as well as keeping the res filled. I'm sure you'll face less drying issues indoors, especially if you cover them.

 

[quiescent]

Good to see u chime in being one of the people who has been running this for a while I kno you kno your stuff

I found out the cuts I got were dipped and under a real low light led so they all could have been shocked two are almost dead but the loompa I got first with the aj made roots even thru all the stress all 3 snips it’s a month later and the aj is struggling for me but the smell of the snips was unmistakable sour I’m gonna try to get some new cuts this week

I ran the legend it’s pics on the other site I lost her when one of my new clones I bought had mites I did a clean up and had to dump the mb15 and the sfv before running them .. the legend reminds me of Tahoe og just a better version I miss the legend

I have two mosca ecsd x legend vegging tho so we’ll see

That Blotto OGK is no joke. Had a fatso type plant in the pack I ran a while back. Would stand out in a commercial grow for sure.

 

[The Baphomet]

No one in the city runs the AJ anymore.. Aj doesn’t even run it anymore

 

[The Baphomet]

Led grown at 2 weeks

 

[TPFTFW]

ill def be looking for updates baphomet its my first time growing sours under led's and I can't find shit for pics of led grown sours
kinda worried it might affect the poddy goodness we all know and love.. possibly change the look of the flower idk lol
still getting used to em
def have been needing to foliar epsom so far
here's just a mix tray
in the back there, is 20 3 gallons with my work and a cut ill just refer to as old sour as theres no need to name drop.. also afraid ill fuck the run up and im the only other person with this that we know of and I dont want to sully the plants reputation lol. if I slay the run as I hope ill prolly say. but it does throw 7 blade leaves and wasn't as bad as the other sour cuts to root. its my first time running it.
then theres my work
which is a ddnl bx with a sour as the outross (male to sour to female) I then crossed it back to two other sour cuts.. JJ a good year or two ago sent me some DNL x super skunk x DNL from 05 I was gonna take a crack at popping to might do that sooner or later.. im not convinced dnl is in sour but itd still be a cool thing to cross into sour. I have 10-15K beans from early 70's on some labeled some not its not easy deciding what is worth the in vitro effort first lol
and then theres skunkteks keeper of his sour x i95 x sour

I was going to get the Albany, hunter mountain, Rez's etc etc etc and run them all together but im really looking for something very specific and im pretty sure its the old sour. im done getting cuts from more then the two/three cats I swap with as a idiot kid sent me russets a year back.. and its now been a year since I harvested from just general anxiety of bugs and wasted time/effort..
so.. im pretty confident they're gone now still using kontos, sulfur and nuke'em tho.. just did last kontos treatment a day or two back only has a 15 day residual

skunkteks sour bx

my little zen garden

my sour work on left, teks on right

all old sours

more old sours

maybe a better pic idk lol

other gliding table shot

etc

 

[quiescent]

No one in the city runs the AJ anymore.. Aj doesn’t even run it anymore

I don't like the cut at all, just helped a homie get rid of mites at his spot by resetting his moms in a spare room. I can't even tell you the last time I smoked AJ, gotta be a couple years. That and the riri don't agree with me, the riri is some depressing ass weed compared to other sour cuts.

It's funny, I said the same thing about AJ's cut a few times at a couple other places and always had people arguing with me about it being the real/best sour cut. I'd tell them that ecsd is the good shit and AJs was sour for women/children and the plant sucked.

The diesel out on the west coast from NorCal(?) is another one I'd prefer over the AJ. I haven't grown it but the packs that came in around 10 years ago were very nice, especially for outdoor. Could have been original diesel, not sure. Maybe you or TPFTFW have some insight on that.

 

[TPFTFW]

I don't like the cut at all, just helped a homie get rid of mites at his spot by resetting his moms in a spare room. I can't even tell you the last time I smoked AJ, gotta be a couple years. That and the riri don't agree with me, the riri is some depressing ass weed compared to other sour cuts.

It's funny, I said the same thing about AJ's cut a few times at a couple other places and always had people arguing with me about it being the real/best sour cut. I'd tell them that ecsd is the good shit and AJs was sour for women/children and the plant sucked.

The diesel out on the west coast from NorCal(?) is another one I'd prefer over the AJ. I haven't grown it but the packs that came in around 10 years ago were very nice, especially for outdoor. Could have been original diesel, not sure. Maybe you or TPFTFW have some insight on that.

I mean I dont think any of us in a position to get certain sours over others should publicly and overtly bash cuts people are excited about having, your gonna get people defending what they know and like, whether it be based in reality or not. but it is fact that aj doesnt even run it anymore, I believe he was given the "Albany" (eye roll yet another new tag) and dropped his. and ive long held the belief he actually lost his cut a long time ago, idk what the aj is today lol. I would say any sour is better then no sour in a world where that's the only choice.

and qui, I have no idea what sour it would be in norcal im not in that area of the country and itd just be a literal guessing game even with live flower shots lol. I know what sours are slightly more prevalent up there but still just a guess

 

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I mean I dont think any of us in a position to get certain sours over others should publicly and overtly bash cuts people are excited about having, your gonna get people defending what they know and like, whether it be based in reality or not. but it is fact that aj doesnt even run it anymore, I believe he was given the "Albany" (eye roll yet another new tag) and dropped his. and ive long held the belief he actually lost his cut a long time ago, idk what the aj is today lol. I would say any sour is better then no sour in a world where that's the only choice.

and qui, I have no idea what sour it would be in norcal im not in that area of the country and itd just be a literal guessing game even with live flower shots lol. I know what sours are slightly more prevalent up there but still just a guess

To be fair I've always offered people I see with AJ, ecsd. A few have taken me up on it. Another note, most of this occurred at riu in a discussion about sours from seed. A couple of people that haven't run any sour cut throwing their opinions around based on what cut they think was the mother for some seed line that was extinct at the time. I think eventually OJD came by and squashed some confusion, was a couple years ago at least.

I don’t hold these cuts for clout or to possess something that's rare with the intention of keeping it that way. Wasnt clowning on people for having it at all, just saying the cut isn't as good and generally steering them away from any seed lines built on it. Interesting that you postulate that the AJ going around now isn't the original which would explain a couple things... including why I'm not a fan.

I don't like all the new labels for things either but it helps decipher what's what. I know there's a lot of mislabeled stuff out there so I think if we can differentiate as much as possible and re-establish provenance as a community the future will be a bit more dank as the meh cuts go extinct. The Albany thing has been something people I know have talked about for a decade. Might not have been called the Albany cut but they always said there was a different diesel from a crew in Albany that was different than what we had sourced in my group.

As far as the NorCal stuff I was referring to goes I tried talking to jayp about what his cut might be and he wanted nothing to do with it... I was talking with someone in the NorCal area about trading some stuff and he said he had the same cut jay had. Jay acted like it was HIS cut and it was on lockdown. Said that if someone else had it and was offering to trade it meant they were breaking his sacred gate keeping blood oath and he didn't want to talk to me about it. Dunno his history with everything so maybe his gripe was legitimate, just putting my experience out there hoping someone could chime in at some point.

Thanks for the response.

 

[TPFTFW]

To be fair I've always offered people I see with AJ, ecsd. A few have taken me up on it. Another note, most of this occurred at riu in a discussion about sours from seed. A couple of people that haven't run any sour cut throwing their opinions around based on what cut they think was the mother for some seed line that was extinct at the time. I think eventually OJD came by and squashed some confusion, was a couple years ago at least.

I don’t hold these cuts for clout or to possess something that's rare with the intention of keeping it that way. Wasnt clowning on people for having it at all, just saying the cut isn't as good and generally steering them away from any seed lines built on it. Interesting that you postulate that the AJ going around now isn't the original which would explain a couple things... including why I'm not a fan.

I don't like all the new labels for things either but it helps decipher what's what. I know there's a lot of mislabeled stuff out there so I think if we can differentiate as much as possible and re-establish provenance as a community the future will be a bit more dank as the meh cuts go extinct. The Albany thing has been something people I know have talked about for a decade. Might not have been called the Albany cut but they always said there was a different diesel from a crew in Albany that was different than what we had sourced in my group.

As far as the NorCal stuff I was referring to goes I tried talking to jayp about what his cut might be and he wanted nothing to do with it... I was talking with someone in the NorCal area about trading some stuff and he said he had the same cut jay had. Jay acted like it was HIS cut and it was on lockdown. Said that if someone else had it and was offering to trade it meant they were breaking his sacred gate keeping blood oath and he didn't want to talk to me about it. Dunno his history with everything so maybe his gripe was legitimate, just putting my experience out there hoping someone could chime in at some point.

Thanks for the response.

well like I had said the hunter mountain is jayP's is skunkteks

all likely the same cut so far as ive been able to piece meal together.

and that's still only a decade as far as the albany. the homies I know with it do enjoy it. but if were to believe the spoken history.. there isn't a different sour.. theres one sour cut
its absolutely vital I agree to know what's what, it doesnt change that most cuts are just sick, bag seeds or rez gear lol. edit: its all bagged at some point tho

I didn't mean to get you on the defensive was just trying to let people know who might have AJ, that id rather have AJ then no sour ya know, in the instance you describe while seemingly futile (riu lol) it does seem warranted. good on you for sharing, while im not possessive I am a hoarder and dont give jack shit out lol.

 

[RingtailCanyon]

the cut I received.... I originally thought was going to be JayP, but it came labeled as Chaco. It's got the variegation. I read somewhere that PiffCoast said the plantspeker cut had the variegation.

 

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well like I had said the hunter mountain is jayP's is skunkteks

all likely the same cut so far as ive been able to piece meal together.

and that's still only a decade as far as the albany. the homies I know with it do enjoy it. but if were to believe the spoken history.. there isn't a different sour.. theres one sour cut
its absolutely vital I agree to know what's what, it doesnt change that most cuts are just sick, bag seeds or rez gear lol.

I didn't mean to get you on the defensive was just trying to let people know who might have AJ, that id rather have AJ then no sour ya know, in the instance you describe while seemingly futile (riu lol) it does seem warranted. good on you for sharing, while im not possessive I am a hoarder and dont give jack shit out lol.

Right on. I must have glossed over the hunter, Jay and skunktek post.

I agree with the majority of stuff out there being bunk in one way or the other.

For years I was of the opinion that ecsd was the sour cut until I got the Albany and see the difference now. Totally argued with someone about it lol. Once he said he could give me rez's email address to talk to him about it I dug in even more. Could have been arguing with rez for all I know.

No worries. I’ve been direct/unfiltered enough over the years that I immediately try to defuse the situation instead of trying to keep it going. Hard to clearly see intent through words on the internet.

I will say that sharing stuff can be a pain and I understand why one wouldn't. I only do it because early on that's how I was brought into this scene by a couple of older cats. There's a couple of guys near me that don't share certain things I'd love to have, with anyone, because they know it'd be 4 states away in a month lmao.

 

[Loknar]

I believe the majority of the "Sour" coming from the West Coast was the cut NotSoDog gave out as "LA Kush"... I know that's the cut I, and several others, were running.
I'm convinced it's the same cut I recently got as "the Real" Sour... Which, to my understanding, is what Piffcoast got from Deer Dude... Or somebody close to him.
FC started calling it "the Real" when he got bent outta shape over it.

This is my last run around week seven.

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[Loknar]

This is my current run with the "SkunkTek" cut at seven weeks.