ecsd...

[NEW ENGLAND]

Do you know if that variation runs true in the cut across the board?
I'm supposed to get the AJ here shortly,just would be nice to verify it's the real deal

 

[silverhazefiend]

Dope side x side

I said a long time ago ago there diff I smoked both and one is diesel funk like raw gas the other is sour like citrusy and gas ..

I also think the Ecsd is harder to grow if it’s not grown perfect the taste and high is subpar .. long flower nute hog and doesn’t like temp swings

 

[Eli Bloom]

update from the start of week 6 (day 36)

first off i don't know why some of my pics get rotated but it's driving me nuts and apologies in advance.

First up is the ECSD. this is the truth. definitely risky taking on a summer run with this girl but i've been able to keep my temps down and it's smelling like some proper sour. she'll go 85.

AJ will go ~65 days and is stacking super strong.

the below pheno of karma sour bx2 has caught my attention more than the others although they all look great. this is looking like it will go 11 weeks.

 

[Americangrower]

update from the start of week 6 (day 36)

first off i don't know why some of my pics get rotated but it's driving me nuts and apologies in advance.

First up is the ECSD. this is the truth. definitely risky taking on a summer run with this girl but i've been able to keep my temps down and it's smelling like some proper sour. she'll go 85.

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AJ will go ~65 days and is stacking super strong.
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the below pheno of karma sour bx2 has caught my attention more than the others although they all look great. this is looking like it will go 11 weeks.
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looking great brother.

On phone camera pics you have to open pic in your phone's photo edit. Then just crop a tiny bit off, this sets the picture's format so IC's system can tell top from bottom. Without doing so it can't tell.

 

[Eli Bloom]

looking great brother.

On phone camera pics you have to open pic in your phone's photo edit. Then just crop a tiny bit off, this sets the picture's format so IC's system can tell top from bottom. Without doing so it can't tell.

Thanks buddy that worked!! edited above post

 

[IncenseRosemary]

Dope side x side

I said a long time ago ago there diff I smoked both and one is diesel funk like raw gas the other is sour like citrusy and gas ..

I also think the Ecsd is harder to grow if it’s not grown perfect the taste and high is subpar .. long flower nute hog and doesn’t like temp swings

For me these above descriptions just phenotipes from SD,the best ones are 77+ dayers with that citrus funk to them. Also i noticed fuel and funk seems to come out later in flower while the citrus elements are present early on. If plant goes longer Fuel dominates citrus if its early harvested citrus dominate fuel. for my own cut from SD bx2 if harvested by 73 days high is up and not to long but citrus,white grapefruit dominate,if harvested late 77+ days then dominate piney freshness with earthy super skunk and lil bit citrus high is up but balanced stoney and long lasting.

 

[MAHA KALA]

The cut you speak about is the ECSD V3 that came from Rezdog's Diesel seed line, just like Riri's cut... it was mislabelled and passed as the original DHK cut by some people, but the legit DHK=Chaco and this V3 IBL=fake DHK/Chaco. Not sure where it came from originally though.

The V3 cut is very similar to the Riri cut... both have bigger calyxes and stretchier stems than the original one from Chaco as far as I remember but all clones are similar unless you grow them side by side. Many people have this cut in high regards.

Several people have lately grown the 3 cuts along and they are all different indeed. AJ's Sour Diesel is also a different cut although they are both quite similar and definitely more diesel/chemmy cuts than the Riri and ECSD V3, which are more sour/floral/citrus:



Cheers.

hey Musta, I was discussing this recently. and Im not sure about V3 speculation, no proof for it and my experience is different. I ran chaco next to fake dhk. and riri next to fake dhk. and I state that fake dhk is much more close to chaco than to riri. I have problem to call riri cut a "diesel" as it has no diesel in taste, very little. its very sour, floral and lavender, so we can call it sour lavender, but where is diesel? also texture of riri calyxes is more gentle and fragile than at fakedhk or chacos. also resin of riri is less oily than at sd or fakedhk.
effect of riri cut is quite different to sd. riri doesnt give me rushes, more sedative and not so up - due to lavender terps?.. so again, in effect chacos and fakedhk are much more closer, almost identical. diesel smell at chaco is more chemmy and at fakedhk´s diesel smell/taste is little more citric, slightly, no floral here. otherwise its practically identical.
RIRI cut

 

[Americangrower]

hey Musta, I was discussing this recently. and Im not sure about V3 speculation, no proof for it and my experience is different. I ran chaco next to fake dhk. and riri next to fake dhk. and I state that fake dhk is much more close to chaco than to riri. I have problem to call riri cut a "diesel" as it has no diesel in taste, very little. its very sour, floral and lavender, so we can call it sour lavender, but where is diesel? also texture of riri calyxes is more gentle and fragile than at fakedhk or chacos. also resin of riri is less oily than at sd or fakedhk.
effect of riri cut is quite different to sd. riri doesnt give me rushes, more sedative and not so up - due to lavender terps?.. so again, in effect chacos and fakedhk are much more closer, almost identical. diesel smell at chaco is more chemmy and at fakedhk´s diesel smell/taste is little more citric, slightly, no floral here. otherwise its practically identical.
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I never heard of a v3 cut but since it's called V3 one has to assume it's from Rez V3 seeds. Riri is from the 06 IBL seeds.
I found 2 distinct phenos when I ran the 06 ibl 1 was a diesel/chemdog taste the other was the sour grapefruit/lavender. Which leads me to believe that the 2 cuts V3 and Riri are the 2 phenos.

While the Grapefruit/lavender may not have that diesel, it was my favorite/keeper. Then again I had ECSD already.

 

[MAHA KALA]

its not called v3, it was called dhk, now we know it is fake dhk, as real dhk cut is identical to chacos. and yes, it can be v3 - I dont know. but there is no proof for it. its just speculation. and this speculation is based on opinion that riri and fake dhk are similar, but I found fake dhk much more close to chacos than to RIRI. that was my point. I dont say RIRI is not quality weed. I just see fake dhk much closer to ecsd chaco. like I said, effect, texture, resin and terps are bit different for RIRI.

 

[Mustafunk]

Hi bro,

Some info from another forum where this same discussion took place year ago between Santero, DocGreenstone and myself.

Notice this particular info is only valid for the Diesel cuts that circulated around Europe and our circle of friends from SPA/FRA/UK/DE/CZ:

very nice info, but i have to just add a short info to what heirloomgrower posted ...

the v3 is the "fake dhk" ... the original "dhk" IS the chaco cut, as he was part of the dhkrew and shared this to europe, JGL being the one passing her on (along with others too).


the correrct nomenclature is:

dhk original = chaco cut

ecsd v3 = fake dhk


there is no "v3 dhk" as rez' v3 came after the dhkrew was already growing the dhk/chaco clone
for a while. the confusion happened around 2012/2013 when some people started to make seed
with the original dhk and brought in a v3-selection that they claimed to be the dhk, so holders of
the original get confused and drop their cuts.

the v3-fake was also very good but not the real deal and got confused to the point that it was called "v3 dhk", mixing the real and the false infos that were spreaded ... *a seedy biz, also in EU lol*

our clonefairy labelled the cuts the way he received them, so the riri, dhk and v3 (fake dhk), were listed correctly, but then he was shared the "v3" again but it was called "v3 dhk" this time and this stayed like this in his lists ... this way the "v3 dhk" was born (which is actually just the re-labelled "v3 dhk fake").


so ... the diesel clones we have available are:

- sour diesel ibl 2006, selected by riton in france = riri cut. (flowery)

- ecsd dhk, shared to Europe via Chaco = real dhk cut aka. chaco's sour. (fuely) this real clone was re-confirmed by himself to me after i send him a loooot pics for comparsion

- ecsd v3, very close to the dhk and confused with her since day one, this is the fake dhk. (fuely flowers)

- ecsd v3 dhk = this is the same thing as the ecsd v3 (fake dhk) clone ... just a misnomer. (fuely fowers)

all of them are AMAZING smoke & it was verry hard to choose my final keepers.

(impossible to choose only one of them, imo.)


then there is the daywrecker shared by jah hoover in uk = original diesel aka daywrecker.

these are five different diesels, some more flowery (riri) and some more fuely (dhk), some

mixing both (fake dhk) and some not having any sour but only the fuel part (jah's and aj's...)

which i both felt, are like almost the same thing, imvho.)

Hope it helps as it's pretty confusing.

Best.

 

[MAHA KALA]

hi Musta bro. thanks for info from Santero. but if he would name those people who selected it and they would confirm it, it would be better. origin of riri cut is clear. I just wanted to say that riri cut is different to chacos or fake dhk, in my humble opinion. maybe phenotype difference as Americangrower said. somebody should cross riri with some real FUEL

 

[NEW ENGLAND]

Still waiting for the AJ cut,if it ever comes to fruition (no pun)I will be able to run her along side Karma's Sour.
Gronk' keeps texting me to see how things are coming along ! Maybe in time for the playoffs I'm telling him.lol

 

[elanius]

somebody should cross riri with some real FUEL

somebody did Sour Deezal from MaD strains, they offered ecsd crossed to riri, fem seeds. Sold out fast

 

[KP Sunshine]

Still waiting for the AJ cut,if it ever comes to fruition (no pun)I will be able to run her along side Karma's Sour.
Gronk' keeps texting me to see how things are coming along ! Maybe in time for the playoffs I'm telling him.lol

Have you grown headbanger?

 

[Americangrower]

hi Musta bro. thanks for info from Santero. but if he would name those people who selected it and they would confirm it, it would be better. origin of riri cut is clear. I just wanted to say that riri cut is different to chacos or fake dhk, in my humble opinion. maybe phenotype difference as Americangrower said. somebody should cross riri with some real FUEL

Just put AJ and ECSD in cloner, will be dusting them with a Riri x Riri F13.

 

[IncenseRosemary]

Here guys talk like never gorwn anithing from seeds some diesel is fuel some flowery they just phenos from REZ batchez with same terepenes but in different ratios
8.66% Linalool
0.43% Caryophyllene oxide
0.10% Myrcene
< 0.01% beta-Pinene
3.62% Limonene
< 0.01% Terpinolene
0.71% alpha-Pinene
0.30% Humulene
0.49% Caryophyllene

this terpens is what you can find is Sour Diesel seeds. But in different ratios. Every Diesel have linalol in it Lavander terps so called. Some more some less i had find 3 dominant phenos of growing lots of S1,and BX of different cut of Sour. 1st is Diesel dominant and it is muddy diesel with lil lavander skunk smelling with almost no citrus to it. 2nd is diesel like but wih more Super Skunk smells and less lavander more meaty,hops,garlic,pine also very little citrus smell. 3th phenos is striaght citrus with fresh piney muddy disely smell at back end. But if you harvest it early citrus dominate if harvested late fuel and skunky funk dominate. And of phenos while walk in room is straght old school super skunk smell and when u get your nose closer u get more of described smells. Every Diesel is uplifitng but at the same time very stoney and relaxing Deisel can never make u paranoid or racy like Hazes. I grown and smokes many but of that 3 phenos the most Sour Diesel and clone like is that 3d phenos is closest to real Sour Diesel and what people praise as unique taste but many dont like the taste, is like or hate. Real Sour never had OG or Cheese that dirty skunky smell afghan dominant,but they get more fresh pine cliner super skunk smell it is close to OG,Chem and Cheese but it is more like bathroom cleaner then gani road kill pungency. Sour Diesel is dominant Super Skunk cross with added grapefruit tone to it. I think that deez days lots of guys try to mistery some cuts in name of profit and making seeds. Todey new briding lines Sour Deisel and NL5haze. I have luck like real old school cat i gad grown versions of the seed bank and old sensi seeds today when i grow these new strians i just see phenos from old seeds. I dant want to start battle but at the same time sensi relised sensi skunk whihch is pungent non fruty EU skunk with citrus kick Sour Diesel has been accidently crossed that year. old Shiva shanti is sure line when does CHEMs come from. But poeple will buy something called CHEMDAWG better then Shiva Shanti.....thats my 2 cents with 30 years of smoking and 26 of growing.

 

[IncenseRosemary]

Today when ic breeding doing with masses we have bootlenacking of cananbis genepool see hom many ''strains'' we have have been out crossed and crossed with SFV OG, or CORE CUT SSH with tecnology and time with years of legalization we are ruining cananbis look ACE seeds insted of doing real breeding like neville and sam the offering most femminised cananbis no real breeding they are saying no use of old dutch lines Kali chin is Kali mist, Malawi is suposed to be NL5haze cross. IN 2019 we are witing for NL5haze and Sour Diesel. BUt who cares we need money not good weed.

 

[MAHA KALA]

somebody did Sour Deezal from MaD strains, they offered ecsd crossed to riri, fem seeds. Sold out fast

hehe in fact I thought of you, because I know that you keep some karma sdbx2 males

 

[MAHA KALA]

Just put AJ and ECSD in cloner, will be dusting them with a Riri x Riri F13.

great! good luck, you found IqTyq´s riri bx better than ecsd x 4sd from PUS??

 

[MAHA KALA]

Here guys talk like never gorwn anithing from seeds some diesel is fuel some flowery they just phenos from REZ batchez with same terepenes but in different ratios
8.66% Linalool
0.43% Caryophyllene oxide
0.10% Myrcene
< 0.01% beta-Pinene
3.62% Limonene
< 0.01% Terpinolene
0.71% alpha-Pinene
0.30% Humulene
0.49% Caryophyllene

this terpens is what you can find is Sour Diesel seeds. But in different ratios. Every Diesel have linalol in it Lavander terps so called. Some more some less i had find 3 dominant phenos of growing lots of S1,and BX of different cut of Sour. 1st is Diesel dominant and it is muddy diesel with lil lavander skunk smelling with almost no citrus to it. 2nd is diesel like but wih more Super Skunk smells and less lavander more meaty,hops,garlic,pine also very little citrus smell. 3th phenos is striaght citrus with fresh piney muddy disely smell at back end. But if you harvest it early citrus dominate if harvested late fuel and skunky funk dominate. And of phenos while walk in room is straght old school super skunk smell and when u get your nose closer u get more of described smells. Every Diesel is uplifitng but at the same time very stoney and relaxing Deisel can never make u paranoid or racy like Hazes. I grown and smokes many but of that 3 phenos the most Sour Diesel and clone like is that 3d phenos is closest to real Sour Diesel and what people praise as unique taste but many dont like the taste, is like or hate. Real Sour never had OG or Cheese that dirty skunky smell afghan dominant,but they get more fresh pine cliner super skunk smell it is close to OG,Chem and Cheese but it is more like bathroom cleaner then gani road kill pungency. Sour Diesel is dominant Super Skunk cross with added grapefruit tone to it. I think that deez days lots of guys try to mistery some cuts in name of profit and making seeds. Todey new briding lines Sour Deisel and NL5haze. I have luck like real old school cat i gad grown versions of the seed bank and old sensi seeds today when i grow these new strians i just see phenos from old seeds. I dant want to start battle but at the same time sensi relised sensi skunk whihch is pungent non fruty EU skunk with citrus kick Sour Diesel has been accidently crossed that year. old Shiva shanti is sure line when does CHEMs come from. But poeple will buy something called CHEMDAWG better then Shiva Shanti.....thats my 2 cents with 30 years of smoking and 26 of growing.

you are right, but one thing is terpens analysis and another how it feels when smoking. when you smoke your brain is not doing such analysis. so there is always limonene, like in almost every weed, but its in mix and you dont have to smell or taste it as your brain doesn't separate it from other terpens, and perceive it as the whole. and we werent discussing terp. analysis, but how it smokes to us. so yes if there is more linalool at some pheno, you can taste it when smoking. but sour diesel is not known for tasting like lavender. RIRI yes sour diesel is known as cultivar, and not as seedline, and most sour diesel seedlines are derived from cut/cultivar. so for sour diesel as cultivar is typical certain terp. profile(slightly varying that depends on enviroment) and not scale of certain terps, where terps vary from phenotype to phenotype.