ecsd...

[nepalnt21]

geez read thread about it please. its selfed line...

id rather not drag out an off topic, but here is a quote right from charlie, just to clear it up

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=210688

"line is offered as regular seeds, 10 seeds per pack but results tell about a very extremelly high average of females"

 

[LostTribe]

id rather not drag out an off topic, but here is a quote right from charlie, just to clear it up

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=210688

"line is offered as regular seeds, 10 seeds per pack but results tell about a very extremelly high average of females"

Most MJ varieties do not produce 50/50 male to female ratios...Purple Peyote is a regular, not fem'd or s1 see post #1 in the cannabiogen PP thread.

Back to the ECSD....popped some f3 sour og's hoping to find a female that is gassy!

Cheers
LT

 

[Dr.Young]

I'm convinced on the Ecsd s1s now..... I believe i may actually turned down before somehow.... feel like a complete idiot now.

 

[LostTribe]

I'm convinced on the Ecsd s1s now..... I believe i may actually turned down before somehow.... feel like a complete idiot now.

What do you mean?

FYI most that have tried ecsd s1 have shown high tendency of hermies and this is why most of the time an out cross and then backcross has been used. Results from these backcrosses have show differing results meaning that most SD alleles are recessive in that they do not dominate the backcross herein lies the trouble with replicating SD in seed form. Rez had success there but each breeders methods have been with different means.

Dr Greenthumb states that he does not induce reverse sexing via chemicals such as Silver nitrate but rather through other more extensive and costly means. He is probably using the same regimen which Dutch Passion, the original breeders of female seeds used. DP were said to keep regular female plants flowering for extremely longer than they were supposed to run causing the plant to try to replicate itself and naturally causing them to produce male flowers and viable pollen. Dr G's Diesel is said to be hermie resistant leading us to believe he has gone this same route. Very expensive but some say they are worth it, I however am satisfied with such backcrosses rather than take on the potential persona problems relating.....

 

[Dr.Young]

Running them extra long is pretty cheap actually lol. I imagine limiting root mass, and light schedule manipulation is a key too.

 

[MAHA KALA]

.Purple Peyote is a regular, not fem'd or s1 see post #1 in the cannabiogen PP thread.

sure you guys.. have to smoke some sleepy shit when you cant go over first post.

Basically a Katsus Bubba S1 produced also 1 male... and a peculiar pheno of a purple female. First seeds were made with these parentals
kaiki

back to ecsd, everybody has its tastes, some people here prefer riri diesel over ecsd..

riri

 

[Dakine]

sure you guys.. have to smoke some sleepy shit when you cant go over first post.





back to ecsd, everybody has its tastes, some people here prefer riri diesel over ecsd..

riri
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Damn cuzzin, now that looks like some "Frosty Fire".. What does she smell like? Is this the first run you've done with her, or have you already done multiple runs? Looks like you have her dialed in! After drying and curing, do the Riri nugs have alot of resin and feel slightly sticky and still moist when its actually fully dry and cured?

 

[LostTribe]

sure you guys.. have to smoke some sleepy shit when you cant go over first post.





back to ecsd, everybody has its tastes, some people here prefer riri diesel over ecsd..

riri
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Whatevas bru....cheers, LT

 

[MAHA KALA]

Damn cuzzin, now that looks like some "Frosty Fire".. What does she smell like? Is this the first run you've done with her, or have you already done multiple runs? Looks like you have her dialed in! After drying and curing, do the Riri nugs have alot of resin and feel slightly sticky and still moist when its actually fully dry and cured?

i ran her only once, next to ecsd. then.. i have kept ecsd, not riri

 

[MAHA KALA]

Back to the ECSD....popped some f3 sour og's hoping to find a female that is gassy!

Cheers
LT

good luck bro

 

[sturgeongeneral]

What sort of differences did you find between the riri and ecsd??

 

[SeedsOfFreedom]

What do you mean?

FYI most that have tried ecsd s1 have shown high tendency of hermies and this is why most of the time an out cross and then backcross has been used. Results from these backcrosses have show differing results meaning that most SD alleles are recessive in that they do not dominate the backcross herein lies the trouble with replicating SD in seed form. Rez had success there but each breeders methods have been with different means.

Dr Greenthumb states that he does not induce reverse sexing via chemicals such as Silver nitrate but rather through other more extensive and costly means. He is probably using the same regimen which Dutch Passion, the original breeders of female seeds used. DP were said to keep regular female plants flowering for extremely longer than they were supposed to run causing the plant to try to replicate itself and naturally causing them to produce male flowers and viable pollen. Dr G's Diesel is said to be hermie resistant leading us to believe he has gone this same route. Very expensive but some say they are worth it, I however am satisfied with such backcrosses rather than take on the potential persona problems relating.....

I agree with the first part of what you say, the ECSD is very hard to replicate in seed. The closest thing I have seen is different versions of ECSD x OG Kush. I have an ECSD x OG F-2 and these seeds are the closest I have got to ECSD in seed, but only about 10% are real ECSD leaning , with many OG leaners or hybrid types. Probably is highly recessive in many traits like you say.

As for Dr Greenthumb and Dutch Passion making seeds that are hermie proof, that sounds pretty suspect. I have seen hermies in Dutch Passion, and I think by not using a chemical to induce male flowers, you are actually increasing the amount of hermies.

The best females to use for pollen to make feminized seeds are the ones that never herm no matter the case. These 100% females reversed by chemicals will make the most hermie proof seed possible. Of course you always have to test progeny to make sure the pollen passed the same traits on.

I am sure they use STS for seed production anyway. Whatever story it takes to squeeze some high price out of a regular old pack of feminized seeds.

 

[MAHA KALA]

What ferenof differences did you find between the riri and ecsd??

i see difference in texture, riri bud is more crushy. also resin is more dry while ecsd resin is more sticky, buds dont turn gold/brown as at ecsd.. i feel a lot of lavender at riri.. and while its a lot like chemical lemon, it lacks diesel terps imo.

i think that sour trait translates quite good to progeny.

 

[DoubleTripleOG]

i see difference in texture, riri bud is more crushy. also resin is more dry while ecsd resin is more sticky, buds dont turn gold/brown as at ecsd.. i feel a lot of lavender at riri.. and while its a lot like chemical lemon, it lacks diesel terps imo.

i think that sour trait translates quite good to progeny.

I've heard the Riri has the lavender smell/taste to it. Gonna find out myself within the next few month's. Just gotta veg one of the Riri clones I have big enough to get a decent yield from her.

Let me ask you this MAHA, does the Riri mind being root bound ? Wondering if I can get away with using a smaller container in flower, or if she needs leg room like the GG#4 does ?

 

[Dogon]

I grow both riri i ECSD next to each other for several years and I can say that riri is very weak root Sistema has a small root base (I recommend a root stimulant but even that does not guarantee a rich root base)

 

[MAHA KALA]

Dogon nailed it. Riri is maybe less vigorous, due to generations it has to go.. bx and incrosses.. but who knows if Rez was talking truth about it..

so i would grow it as same as you grow ecsd DoubleTriple bro.

as to lavender, if you look at ecsd terps chart, you can see some linalool it contains. so its not like it doesnt come from diesel. just slightly different ratio of terps--

 

[HOVA]

I grow both riri i ECSD next to each other for several years and I can say that riri is very weak root Sistema has a small root base (I recommend a root stimulant but even that does not guarantee a rich root base)

The riri cuts i had was such a pain in the nuts to root that i gave up on her and threw her in the breeding tent to be knocked up by my ecsd x triangle kush bx male
I hope to revive that sour d this way
I was going to use my sour glue male
But all the females from that line pretty much hermied so i ditched him

 

[mexicani-ar]

Great thread

 

[biesel]

I had the ecsd back in 08 and it came labled as new england diesel. Also had the soma nyc diesel and obv. The ecsd was better and a week faster. I went out west to get a cut back but everything out west from colorado to norcal didnt ever match the original. This was '14 i also had the '08 biesel and it was slightly better than the ecsd. Ive asked in all my old circles and no one has those cuts left. So my question is did the ecsd just get worse over the last 7 years or is it like pizza just doesnt come out good like it does in noreast? Has anyone else noticed this?
I smoked 1000 diff samples out west and none was what i would consider ecsd or biesel for that matter. I thought the gg4 was like it and ur sfvog is killa. And with seeds of it i had bunch and never ever had anything like the org.

 

[~star~crash~]

I had the ecsd back in 08 and it came labled as new england diesel. Also had the soma nyc diesel and obv. The ecsd was better and a week faster. I went out west to get a cut back but everything out west from colorado to norcal didnt ever match the original. This was '14 i also had the '08 biesel and it was slightly better than the ecsd. Ive asked in all my old circles and no one has those cuts left. So my question is did the ecsd just get worse over the last 7 years or is it like pizza just doesnt come out good like it does in noreast? Has anyone else noticed this?
I smoked 1000 diff samples out west and none was what i would consider ecsd or biesel for that matter. I thought the gg4 was like it and ur sfvog is killa. And with seeds of it i had bunch and never ever had anything like the org.

i'm familiar with the circa '08 Sour Diesel...i had it and ran it located in central New York State...i want it back...that was THE Sour Diesel