S
strain_searcher
Nice to see my sour creek getting around. I think you will love this cross and I may be biased but those look awesome and very stout.
-
ICMag with help from Landrace Warden and The Vault is running a NEW contest in November! You can check it here. Prizes are seeds & forum premium access. Come join in!
***DrBud Takes CFL SOG to the Next Level***
- Thread starter DrBudGreengenes
- Start date
Yea the Sour Creek is awesome looking ! I hope to get a cut of this one day...
I want a cut too!!!! Come on guys. don't leave me out. geeeeeese
Just thought you'd like to know, Doc, that I had a power plant cut throw roots in 5 days flat with a straight-perlite cloner this week. 
green member
Member
hi doc. HUGE favor to ask. could you kindly show us your exhaust set-up. (how your blower is mounted to your cab and how it is vented.) I know this would be a HUGE helping hand to a lot of us. thanks doc!!!
J
JackKerouac
blackfoot said:Hey DBG I just wanted to show you some of the plants you have help me grow. The short ones , I should have veged until I saw new growth before I put them into flower. Thanks
They are at day 44 of 12/12
I would love to see the dry weights on each one of these plants.
^^^^^^^^
Thats funny....
looks like your off to a good start there
Thats funny....
looks like your off to a good start there
blackfoot said:
although this plant has over two weeks left big difference. Maybe in a year or two?
Welcome to "The Darkside" my Brother......now you will take what you have learned and Just get better.......
0 contact w/the growstore + 0 Contact w/Blackmarket = Much Peacefull time spent smokin' yur own Budz.......
O
Orga_Nerd
DrBudGreengenes said:
0 contact w/the growstore + 0 Contact w/Blackmarket = Much Peacefull time spent smokin' yur own Budz.......
Thats what im talking about!
DrBudGreengenes said:
0 contact w/the growstore + 0 Contact w/Blackmarket = Much Peacefull time spent smokin' yur own Budz.......
Damn straight, I try to tell my buddies that and they still want to have the big set up and hang out at grow shops... tisk tisk but I do have one that I am slowly converting but it's slow cuz you kill his yields and he has the room with 2 4x4 tables with a top feed hydro system and 2 1k HPS lol I love it and that right there is why I continue to do what I do cuz I will be there soon
blackfoot that looks good, imho, you may want to use the bottles instead of the cups, I tried a run using the cups and although they worked I feel I am getting better results using the bottles, they are deeper, and can hold more volume, and with the way they are shaped you can feet more per sq ft ...... hey doc, I have been lurking in your threads for a while and trying to enlighten some of my bros on RIU too your methods, I have incorportaed some and all I can say is 
bigd21 said:blackfoot that looks good, imho, you may want to use the bottles instead of the cups, I tried a run using the cups and although they worked I feel I am getting better results using the bottles, they are deeper, and can hold more volume, and with the way they are shaped you can feet more per sq ft ...... hey doc, I have been lurking in your threads for a while and trying to enlighten some of my bros on RIU too your methods, I have incorportaed some and all I can say is
Yea I just got Greg Greens Grow Bible 4th Edition and in the SOG section it clearly says that SOG pots need to be tube shaped pots that have a longer depth than width for the best results...
S
strain_searcher
blackfoot said:
although this plant has over two weeks left big difference. Maybe in a year or two?
you guys need to stop tucking in your shirts LOL
green member
Member
strain_searcher said:
LMFAO!!!
CaptainStoner
Member
DrBud, your vacation watering system is EXACTLY what i was talking about when I said i intended to copy your method with some of my own alterations (came up with them myself, although they obv aren't original ideas) such as auto watering for holiday time. What my plan was was to get a tray in the box with a grid of soaker hose around the pots. With the first inch or two of the pots being perlite, it could be that some of the bubbles would get directly into the pots, keeping them freshly aerated (sp?)
My trouble is I have so many ideas i want to try, but can only run one box for flowering at once. And every time i see a box over a square foot i think 'i could grow weed in that' - To the point my gf is getting mad at me for saying it all the time.. lol
Also impatience.. I am going nuts waiting for my meagre budget to be able to provide everything i need. Speaking of budget, I was hanging out in the park the other day and a dude was rolling a joint near me, saw my grin.. We got talking, he shared, then told me he was looking at one of these ready made grow kits from the hydro store - at a cost of roughly 2200 DOLLARS (i converted from GBP) now aside from the fact that that's easily a month's wages(or more likely 2+) for most people around here, all the other disadvantages etc...
So being the community minded stoner I am, I directed him here..
I reckon my grow when finished, excepting feeds and seeds will cost approx. 300 dollars (about a month's wages for me at the moment - can't work a lot). This includes air pumps, filters etc. Even with current exchange rates meaning 1 GBP = 1.86 dollars, things are more expensive here - if something is 99.99 dollars there, it'll be 99.99 GBP here. It is very encouraging to find that the ideas I had are not original and are being used by growers like you
And now we also have an army of people copying the method - this just gets better and better. Vive la revolution!!! lol
EDIT: once again bringing up pc fans, they move air, therefore, any duct/box arrangement they are in will have airflow between intake and outlet. Like waterflow in a loop, all flow is the same at any point in the loop regardless of restrictions. The only thing axial (pc type) fans have issues with is pressure and therefore flow against a restriction. They are much better at pulling through a restriction than pushing through it, although a push-pull setup could be of benefit. My particular PC fan experience worked with watercooled PCs back in the day when cooling needed to be super powerful(the mhz wars - i build bespoke, ultra overclocked pcs), and there were no ready made kits available (they're crap anyway) so one had to get a car heatercore (the chevy chevelle heatercore is the base for all major market pc radiators such as the black ice extreme). Some of these are more restrictive than others. My favourite was a very restrictive but extremely efficient ford item from a car not sold in the US. With PC fans, the bigger they get, the better they are. a typical 80x80x25mm pc fan will move approx 25cfm against NO restriction, but as soon as you put even a thin pc dust filter on them, their flow rate suffers drastically. The 120x120x38mm ones i'm using move 190cfm against no restriction but cope with restrictions much better due to their sheer beefiness. I found that the extremely restrictive ford core I used, which is a restriction about of the same order as a small granular carbon filter, had very little effect on airflow, even with the fan turned down from 12 to 5-7v. Doubling up fans, especially if you put the shroud of a dead fan between them with the motor, blades etc cut out is a very effective way of increasing such fans effectiveness against a restriction. This was found to be better than push-pull in the earliest days of such experiments.
I keep coming back to PC fans because everyone says 'oh noes they're crap' but NOBODY seems to be trying big beefy fans, just the pathetic little ones. I feel this information needs to get out there, because it's another avenue for micro growers to improve their stealth and/or create new ideas for very little money. I'm going to stop hijacking the Dr's thread about this now, but will post my setup when its all finished.
My trouble is I have so many ideas i want to try, but can only run one box for flowering at once. And every time i see a box over a square foot i think 'i could grow weed in that' - To the point my gf is getting mad at me for saying it all the time.. lol
Also impatience.. I am going nuts waiting for my meagre budget to be able to provide everything i need. Speaking of budget, I was hanging out in the park the other day and a dude was rolling a joint near me, saw my grin.. We got talking, he shared, then told me he was looking at one of these ready made grow kits from the hydro store - at a cost of roughly 2200 DOLLARS (i converted from GBP) now aside from the fact that that's easily a month's wages(or more likely 2+) for most people around here, all the other disadvantages etc...
So being the community minded stoner I am, I directed him here..
I reckon my grow when finished, excepting feeds and seeds will cost approx. 300 dollars (about a month's wages for me at the moment - can't work a lot). This includes air pumps, filters etc. Even with current exchange rates meaning 1 GBP = 1.86 dollars, things are more expensive here - if something is 99.99 dollars there, it'll be 99.99 GBP here. It is very encouraging to find that the ideas I had are not original and are being used by growers like you
And now we also have an army of people copying the method - this just gets better and better. Vive la revolution!!! lol
EDIT: once again bringing up pc fans, they move air, therefore, any duct/box arrangement they are in will have airflow between intake and outlet. Like waterflow in a loop, all flow is the same at any point in the loop regardless of restrictions. The only thing axial (pc type) fans have issues with is pressure and therefore flow against a restriction. They are much better at pulling through a restriction than pushing through it, although a push-pull setup could be of benefit. My particular PC fan experience worked with watercooled PCs back in the day when cooling needed to be super powerful(the mhz wars - i build bespoke, ultra overclocked pcs), and there were no ready made kits available (they're crap anyway) so one had to get a car heatercore (the chevy chevelle heatercore is the base for all major market pc radiators such as the black ice extreme). Some of these are more restrictive than others. My favourite was a very restrictive but extremely efficient ford item from a car not sold in the US. With PC fans, the bigger they get, the better they are. a typical 80x80x25mm pc fan will move approx 25cfm against NO restriction, but as soon as you put even a thin pc dust filter on them, their flow rate suffers drastically. The 120x120x38mm ones i'm using move 190cfm against no restriction but cope with restrictions much better due to their sheer beefiness. I found that the extremely restrictive ford core I used, which is a restriction about of the same order as a small granular carbon filter, had very little effect on airflow, even with the fan turned down from 12 to 5-7v. Doubling up fans, especially if you put the shroud of a dead fan between them with the motor, blades etc cut out is a very effective way of increasing such fans effectiveness against a restriction. This was found to be better than push-pull in the earliest days of such experiments.
I keep coming back to PC fans because everyone says 'oh noes they're crap' but NOBODY seems to be trying big beefy fans, just the pathetic little ones. I feel this information needs to get out there, because it's another avenue for micro growers to improve their stealth and/or create new ideas for very little money. I'm going to stop hijacking the Dr's thread about this now, but will post my setup when its all finished.
Last edited:
O
Orga_Nerd
CaptainStoner said:DrBud, your vacation watering system is EXACTLY what i was talking about when I said i intended to copy your method with some of my own alterations (came up with them myself, although they obv aren't original ideas) such as auto watering for holiday time. What my plan was was to get a tray in the box with a grid of soaker hose around the pots. With the first inch or two of the pots being perlite, it could be that some of the bubbles would get directly into the pots, keeping them freshly aerated (sp?)
My trouble is I have so many ideas i want to try, but can only run one box for flowering at once. And every time i see a box over a square foot i think 'i could grow weed in that' - To the point my gf is getting mad at me for saying it all the time.. lol
Also impatience.. I am going nuts waiting for my meagre budget to be able to provide everything i need. Speaking of budget, I was hanging out in the park the other day and a dude was rolling a joint near me, saw my grin.. We got talking, he shared, then told me he was looking at one of these ready made grow kits from the hydro store - at a cost of roughly 2200 DOLLARS (i converted from GBP) now aside from the fact that that's easily a month's wages(or more likely 2+) for most people around here, all the other disadvantages etc...
So being the community minded stoner I am, I directed him here..
I reckon my grow when finished, excepting feeds and seeds will cost approx. 300 dollars (about a month's wages for me at the moment - can't work a lot). This includes air pumps, filters etc. Even with current exchange rates meaning 1 GBP = 1.86 dollars, things are more expensive here - if something is 99.99 dollars there, it'll be 99.99 GBP here. It is very encouraging to find that the ideas I had are not original and are being used by growers like you
And now we also have an army of people copying the method - this just gets better and better. Vive la revolution!!! lol
EDIT: once again bringing up pc fans, they move air, therefore, any duct/box arrangement they are in will have airflow between intake and outlet. Like waterflow in a loop, all flow is the same at any point in the loop regardless of restrictions. The only thing axial (pc type) fans have issues with is pressure and therefore flow against a restriction. They are much better at pulling through a restriction than pushing through it, although a push-pull setup could be of benefit. My particular PC fan experience worked with watercooled PCs back in the day when cooling needed to be super powerful(the mhz wars - i build bespoke, ultra overclocked pcs), and there were no ready made kits available (they're crap anyway) so one had to get a car heatercore (the chevy chevelle heatercore is the base for all major market pc radiators such as the black ice extreme). Some of these are more restrictive than others. My favourite was a very restrictive but extremely efficient ford item from a car not sold in the US. With PC fans, the bigger they get, the better they are. a typical 80x80x25mm pc fan will move approx 25cfm against NO restriction, but as soon as you put even a thin pc dust filter on them, their flow rate suffers drastically. The 120x120x38mm ones i'm using move 190cfm against no restriction but cope with restrictions much better due to their sheer beefiness. I found that the extremely restrictive ford core I used, which is a restriction about of the same order as a small granular carbon filter, had very little effect on airflow, even with the fan turned down from 12 to 5-7v. Doubling up fans, especially if you put the shroud of a dead fan between them with the motor, blades etc cut out is a very effective way of increasing such fans effectiveness against a restriction. This was found to be better than push-pull in the earliest days of such experiments.
I keep coming back to PC fans because everyone says 'oh noes they're crap' but NOBODY seems to be trying big beefy fans, just the pathetic little ones. I feel this information needs to get out there, because it's another avenue for micro growers to improve their stealth and/or create new ideas for very little money. I'm going to stop hijacking the Dr's thread about this now, but will post my setup when its all finished.
That's good to know. I found a 120mm that pushes 110cfm. But 190cfm, Wow! Where did you find that sucker?
CaptainStoner
Member
It's a pretty loud fan at 12v. Have a look for the Delta FFB1212EHE. 190cfm. Now replaced by the louder, but 220cfm TFB1212GHE. Both of these fans are WAY too loud at 12v but are the best fans out there at 5 and 7 volts, the TFB being the better of the two due to its more modern design. There is also the 120x120x76mm Delta GFB1212VHW which moves the same air, looks like a proper turbine, and is 6dB quieter at 12v.
The Ystech FD1238 isnt far behind, is much quieter (and i do mean a LOT) at 12v, and still moves a very respectable 125-135 CFM dependant on model.
The Ystech FD1238 isnt far behind, is much quieter (and i do mean a LOT) at 12v, and still moves a very respectable 125-135 CFM dependant on model.
H
Hal
Our efforts at growing in small cabinets will be greatly improved when LED lighting becomes affordable. That day shouldn't be too far off, based on a major advance made very recently in the way LED are manufactured.
I came across this advance in another thread a few weeks ago, but can't remember now where it was. I'll try to go find it and post it with an edit. The article suggested it would take about 2 years for the advancement to be implemented into the factories.
With the huge reduction in heat radiation that LED will bring, we won't need to have big fans to remove it from the little cabinets, and the age of stealth growing will have arrived. Or so it seems to this stoner.
Here is the link:
http://www.purdue.edu/uns/x/2008b/080717SandsLighting.html
I came across this advance in another thread a few weeks ago, but can't remember now where it was. I'll try to go find it and post it with an edit. The article suggested it would take about 2 years for the advancement to be implemented into the factories.
With the huge reduction in heat radiation that LED will bring, we won't need to have big fans to remove it from the little cabinets, and the age of stealth growing will have arrived. Or so it seems to this stoner.
Here is the link:
http://www.purdue.edu/uns/x/2008b/080717SandsLighting.html
Last edited:
