Dr Greenthumb Seeds Iranian Diesel

[MostWantedGens]

IDF

the buds in the first half of flowering was very sour diesel dominant looking, than in the second half started to dominate the landrace genetics on the appearance. it flowered for good 9 weeks.

 

[browntrout]

Mostwanted that is a very nice outdoor plant, When's she finish? It looks like she was in some shade by the stretching, all good though.

BT

 

[MostWantedGens]

as I said its very early flowering cause of the Iranian AF but not autoflowering strain.

if you plant it April, May than ready to Sept.
if youz sow it June than October harvest.

 

[BadRabbit]

I remember reading an article of his Iranian Auto and it having said that is was selected from a high population and that it possessed semi-auto traits in the fact that it was a very light sensitive strain like friesland. It's sold as 90 days from start to finish "Outdoors".

I am by no way advocating DGT but am not sold on him being a hack, many people love his genetics and he uses the "Iranian" as a parental in many strains. The above plant does not look to be half afghan in my experience in growing Afghans. Looks more Lebanese than anything but I doubt that too.

To this date I have not read a bad review of his beans.

You seem quite knowledgeable Frank but bashing other breeders doesn't seem to suit you. I had thought you to be someone that would allow their genetics to speak for themselves

BT

If you haven't seen a bad review of his strains, you haven't read much ... I and a chorus of others have posted terrible reviews on both his genetics and his customer relations skills ... rather, lack of them.

 

[Highcountry]

Doc gt's iranian is a selfed version of the auto affie. Maybe s2 or s3 even. Very nice stuff, especially for how early it is. I've got some of the iranian x chemdog going indoors right now. Smells dank! The iranian autoflower is DEFINATELY not an iranian landrace. Badrabbit is right about his customer relation skills. Wouldn't recommend ordering from these guys.

 

[mjg132]

He speaks his mind.
If your a know it all and pretentious grower,you'll turn him off and he'll roll his eyes,what he believes in is consistency of mainly S1 lines,the best representation of great cuts from wherever,its a business, he stands by his strike rate and at the same time won't BS that his genetics fell out of Snoops /b. reals penis a while back....
I do think he is overpriced,but im going back for some bubba x og.Ill smoke,seed out and cross that plant with some other personal faves, i know it.

 

[BadRabbit]

He speaks his mind.
If your a know it all and pretentious grower,you'll turn him off and he'll roll his eyes,what he believes in is consistency of mainly S1 lines,the best representation of great cuts from wherever,its a business, he stands by his strike rate and at the same time won't BS that his genetics fell out of Snoops /b. reals penis a while back....
I do think he is overpriced,but im going back for some bubba x og.Ill smoke,seed out and cross that plant with some other personal faves, i know it.

sorry, he doesn't react to bad treatment, he reacts like a jerk to anything he doesn't want to hear, no matter how politely it is offered.

 

[dank.frank]

You seem quite knowledgeable Frank but bashing other breeders doesn't seem to suit you. I had thought you to be someone that would allow their genetics to speak for themselves

BT

Fair enough. If you notice, I did say a couple times the plants looked good - and the only thing I was calling into question was the origin of the parental material - and I specified why - because DGT provides zero information about it on his site...

And $150 per seed - as I've heard of people paying for his feminized ECSD and such in Michigan...is highway robbery.

That's just my personal opinion...and regardless, I'm entitled to that as much as any other person. I apologize if that rubs you the wrong way.

Personally, I'm open to criticism as it keeps me grounded and helps me improve. I'd like to think others are the same way.



dank.Frank

 

[dank.frank]

what he believes in is consistency of mainly S1 lines,the best representation of great cuts from wherever,its a business...

Only two cuts I have seen that breed somewhat or mostly true to type when selfed - the White and Bubba Kush.

Consistency - best representation - etc, IS NOT achieved by simply selfing a known desirable clone...especially a poly-hybrid.

It is not some magic short cut. HOWEVER, what it does allow - is one to see how much genetic variation exists within a female, without the complication of wondering if what you are seeing was the contribution of the male or not...

Selfing, however, does not equate to consistency or "accurate" representations of a clone though...not at all. And this is not opinion...this is scientific fact.



dank.Frank

 

[NEGT1]

If someone in MI paid 150 for a single fem ECSD seed that was their own fault...

Clearly it's arguable that an s1 isn't the closest thing to clone form, but really, at this point in time it's a pretty damn good option, I think we can all agree on that.

Never read anyone suggest he doesn't use legitimate cuts which to me, is why he can charge 150$ for 5 packs which is arguably market value for "clone only" s1's that are legitimate.

Have never ordered from him but have thought about it many times and I might consider grabbing a few packs (chem 4, ghost og, ecsd and cindy 99) before he sells. Wanted to try the c99 for quite some time now to see if I can find something comparable to the real thing. If they are legitimate cuts, seriously, what's so bad about it? Who's he hurting by releasing s1's, grab some, in 10 years they might be worth the 150 / 5 or 10.

 

[Gry]

Sounds like he's a human billboard for Ace seeds.

 

[dank.frank]

If someone in MI paid 150 for a single fem ECSD seed that was their own fault...

Clearly it's arguable that an s1 isn't the closest thing to clone form, but really, at this point in time it's a pretty damn good option, I think we can all agree on that.

Never read anyone suggest he doesn't use legitimate cuts which to me, is why he can charge 150$ for 5 packs which is arguably market value for "clone only" s1's that are legitimate.

Have never ordered from him but have thought about it many times and I might consider grabbing a few packs (chem 4, ghost og, ecsd and cindy 99) before he sells. Wanted to try the c99 for quite some time now to see if I can find something comparable to the real thing. If they are legitimate cuts, seriously, what's so bad about it? Who's he hurting by releasing s1's, grab some, in 10 years they might be worth the 150 / 5 or 10.

The S1 bit is NOT arguable...it's a matter of genomic fact.

I suppose when people say "it isn't doing any harm" - I'm not so sure I agree.

The only reason people like DGT are able to succeed with such business tactics is because of the massive influx of new growers and their general lack of knowledge in regards to genetics...and by genetics I don't mean strain names - I mean genomics.

It is that fundamental lack of understanding that allows the new grower to be sucked into thinking they are going to get a 1:1 replica of a "elite" "authentic" "clone only" - which is grossly misleading, to the point of being negligent, to even allow a consumer to THINK that such is going to be the case.

IN many circumstances...a properly selected male who has been crossed to many different females to understand his qualities and what he will pass onto the next filial generation - in combination with an understanding of how a given female breeds - when intelligently paired, will often times not only result in plants that are VERY CLOSE to consumer expectations of a clone (especially within an F1 population where gene trait combinations are limited) but will often times result in plants that are PROGRESSIVE and BETTER than the starting female parent individually...

While it's GREAT to wade through the genetic possibilities that exist with a single parent - ie selfing - it does very little if anything at all to bring about progress...and that to me, is NOT breeding...it is a breeding tool.

Is there a market for such things? YES! Is it wrong to capitalize on said demand - eh, I guess I can't say it's philosophically "wrong"... but then I don't know. Is taking advantage of an individuals lack of knowledge for capital gain...right?

Personally, I'd rather be the guy at the other end of the field with 5 people listening to me babble about TRUTH...than the guy with 100 people waiting in line listening to a sales pitch. I put my head on my pillow at night knowing I've not only helped educate the consumer - but also know that I am in pursuit of something better...something next...as opposed to merely milking what already is.

Every time I think of DGT I just want to start an S1 company that offers all the big "elites" for $25 a pack...and you know what? People still wouldn't buy them because for some reason, perception and modern capitalism has us fooled into thinking that if we don't pay a high dollar amount for something then it is of little or no value...and everyone would STILL pay the high prices thinking they were getting the better value...sigh.







dank.Frank

 

[saluki]

I'm with dank.Frank on this one. I'm next door to Iran as we speak and let me tell you I wouldn't venture into that country. Dr Greenthumbs story does not sound credible to me.

 

[Stonecutter]

I think we can all agree that DGT seeds are expensive.

I also agree with Frank that making S1's isn't breeding, it's making seeds, everyone can do that. I just don't have access to 'elite clones'.

I have bought some DGT OGK S1's when they were on sale - still relatively expensive!- I liked the plants that grew. I have a couple of keeper mums. As far as I can tell they are legitimate.

Our good friend Verdant Green has made Bubba Kush S1's available for a massively lower price and I paid that gladly. So DGT justification of his price is that BK S1's were difficult to make - well apparently it's not THAT difficult.

So there is something a little fishy here ... but it could be my kelp...

 

[Rgd]

Hi there mr dankfrank

1.the iranian indica which is the component in Endless Sky

2. dunno exactly what Iranian auto is ..it is simular to auto affie
but not the same..i have both..
in the end who cares,,it is good and early

3. Doc gt has been around longer than all the other seeds co's

and i have used him for a long time and been very happy

4.my guess is so many varified cuts have come form his gear

5.why would anyone expect that you who hasnever grown anything

of his..are a seed vendor yourself…would say anything good

you are a wanna be …dude


6. some actual person comes on here and tells of his success and you spend

half your time spreading bs you know nothing of

anyone with a real brain can figure you out

JEALOUS

 

[Rgd]

and before i leave i will add

i grew iran x c99
iran x haze
and the iran x deeze

and i am crazy about how they produce super high quality buds a mon th to 6 weeks
earlier than the elite clones they were bred with

so have a good day and maybe try some for your self

 

[Galactic]

The results speak for themselves. I do not understand trying to get the story straight. Price is relative.

 

[MostWantedGens]

thanks for the comments

 

[Elmer Bud]

I'd put my money on it NOT being Iranian genetics. Go ask Storm_Shadow if he found any auto-flowers in his field of such genes...



dank.Frank

G`day DF

Not a good correlation .
Because 1 batch of seeds from 1 region of Iran [Western Iran ] did not auto flower does not speak for the whole region and its genetic spread .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[oldsod]

Well I've had stellar results and many keepers with Greenthumb's seeds over the years and the Iranian Diesels are $150 for a pack of 11, not out of line with many seedbank prices today, so I think RGD's comments are spot on