'DP' 'The Ultimate' - 'NFT SCROG'

[Tokesome]

Yeah man I hear you there. I`ve always stuck to the Canna plan before, for 1 week at 15mls per 10ltrs, but I know others recommend differently. Atami recommend from week 1 flower all the way through to the flush, starting with 2.5mls per 10ltrs gradually increasing to a max of 15mls per l0ltrs.

I`m just into week 4 now and the colas are starting to form nicely, so I`m going to go in with a low dose, then if I dont find anything out by the time the next couple of weeks I`ll go with your plan me thinks, as it doesn`t look like you get much if anything wrong

If you get any info on it, let me know mate, I`ll do the same.

Cheers Toke

 

[Tokesome]

Oh I`m trying the Atami PK13/14, its £5 a litre at my local shop. I hope the price is an indication that they want to fight for a place among the products on the shelves, rather than a reflection of the quality.

There was a litre bottle of another brand that was £35 a liter!! WTF!

Strength may be a factor. Maybe if I see how much ec value 15mls of the Atami PK13/14 in 10ltrs, and wondering if you might be able to tell me how much the same of the Canna one rises ec again in 10ltrs of water, what do ya reckon?

Toke

 

[Scrogerman]

You Cant go wrong with Canna if you follow tested instruction, its a great range of products. I been looking at BloomBastic myself, interesting website-Atami! Yeah PK start of wk 5 low dose 5 ml per 10 litres, then wk 6 med at 10 ml per 10ltrs, wk 7 full dose, lower your A+B PPM's appropriately as you increase the PK value,You dont have to decrease the a+b by much as thats sort of defeating the object, but lower it sensibly. I cant see how you can go wrong if you have EC/CF meter your laughing.
Good Luck.........Scroger'

 

[Scrogerman]

Sorry i missed your last post while i was typing away.
Toke i wouldent like to give that figure as i think as we are using different nutes, different water etc, would it be accurate? might be, i can give you the values all the same no problemo! give us a shout. Oh i see what your getting at, yeah £5 is a little on the cheaop side and i'd be thinking the same, but pk 13/14 is a set strength isnt it, you know as in parts!Not sure on that one! i'm gonna check it out with you dude!But im pretty sure im right on that one, might not be!lmao!
Peace......Scroger!

PM me your suppliers web addy, i can go take a look if you dont mind that is buddy!
You show me yours n i'll show you mine lol!

 

[Tokesome]

Yeah, not sure on that one myself mate, I thought it was all the same but manufacturers claim that there`s is made up from easier absorbed elements, for example, not from ashes.

Mine is Atami ATA PK13/14, same company produces the B`cuzz range of nutrients, although they have a different PK13/14 in the B`cuzz range that clearly has a different spec.

The ATA PK13/14 is 00-17-18 (w-v)

and the B`cuzz one is 00-13-14

How do you figure that then, is the ATA PK really PK17/18. The other thing it says about the B`cuzz range is that it comes from food grade material(?).

Here are the links to both pages

http://www.atami.com/countries/prod...ine=Nutrients&SubCategory=Product+Information

http://www.atami.com/countries/prod...oductLine=ATA&SubCategory=Product+Information

I`m only 2 days into week 4 and decided to go with the 5ml dose as from what I`ve read, the buds are forming individually and colas forming and developing. If its a little early I dont see it doing much harm at a low dose. Just dropped my A+B from 130mls to 100mls and added the PK
'5mls per 10ltr and I`m left with ec1.6, the same as my last feed with no PK. It affects ph, nicely for me. I start at ph6.3 and after I`ve added my A+B, calmax, pk, atazym, my ph is amazingly sitting at 6.3. I usually add 3mls ph up without the PK, and had to add 2mls ph down to bring it to 5.8.

I`m sure glad I scribble my different nutrient mixes and strengths on the black&white that covers the walls, makes for and easy job of res mixing, and its always handy, unlike scraps of paper and notepads which I invariably lose.

I think I`ll try emailing Atami on there 2 different PK`s and see what comes back, probably sales bullshit, "they`re both perfectly good, but the B`cuzz range will give you slightly better results". I`m so sceptical about all businesses that operate in the capitalist system dispite the need for them, profits rule. I Know Canna provide an excellent well tested nutrients etc, but I wonder how much mark up they have on a bottle of £50 boost. In fact, you sure its not just fairy liquid repackaged? lol, only joking.

Yeah, was thinking of popping 15 mls into 10ltrs of ec0.0 water, 5mls in 3.333ltrs if ya wanna avoid waste, if you`re going with tap water subtract it from the figure. Not exact, I know, but if the diffrence is quite high, it should show.

Having said that, the NPK rating says something in itself. . . . . I`m just not sure what?

There I`ve shown ya mine, get yer PK`s out!

 

[Scrogerman]

NPK Values=Parts

NPK Values=Parts

Hey Toke,
Yeah Are Atami doing that for sales reasons, PK13/14 being the original Boost Componant from Canna(thats how i remember it), What the fk does W-V mean when its at home. I think it probably is 0/17/18,not sure what the w-v means though, and there just calling it PK13/14, might be wrong though dude, im sure ive seen other companys using the PK 13/14 Name? Thats just a guess. Do you think B'Cuzz/Atami are better than Canna?
Whats your thoughts on the Bloombastic man? Whats that stuff B'Cuzz PK, derived from ph up & ph down,did i read that right? Youve done exactly what i usually do, thats as standard every grow i do: AB -Down- PK up = same EC. I use more A+B & PK (increase dose) as the weeks pass.
Its always wise to jot shit down, you gotta really. thats if you want an easy life! im still using notepads.
The Canna Boost Accelerator, well, i had to see for myself & i know it gives a better all round product, Scent/aroma's, more abundant trich's, & slightly better yields. I'm impressed with the shit, & yeah i too have heard all the snakeoil bollocks, but this one i just had to see for myself. I dont think it would be impossible to make your own & you've seen the thread dedicated to that one. I think it wont be long n people will be making their own.!- I hope! Tricontinol is something that interests me & so do some of the other supposed ingredients.!
Our Tap is 120ppm i think its very clean water. Let me know the numbers/difference EC you get !. What you mean by you not sure what the numbers refer to as in NPK.? Its parts is'nt it? As in parts per hundredth etc. it'll be on IC somewhere but ere you go:

https://www.greenair.com/page/calculating-npk-for-genesis.html

I do plan on trying a different PK product sometime but for now its looking like i'll be sticking with the Canna PK, unless of course you can convince me otherwise, next time i'll give it a whirl!maybe!

LOL i meant your supplier of PK, £5 sounded a good deal, pm me if you like lol.

Take it Easy......'Peace ......Scroger'

 

[Tokesome]

Hey mate, I`ll reply later tonight. I`ve got an hour and a half to pot several clones up that are showing roots, feed my big girls (still hand watering) and then try and rearrange the tops on the 5 plants I haven`t gotten around to doing, its now or never, its getting to the point where I soon wont be able to gat the lower ones in the light.

I do have some thoughts on the above though, catch ya later, Toke ;-)

 

[Tokesome]

Yeah, every nute firm have a PK13/14 I reckon now. I dont understand the 00-17-18 bit in relation to the name of PK13/14, surely it must be PK17/18, which is why I was thinking a test between the 2 might reveal different strengths. I think I have a little bottle of Canna`s PK13/14 over at the grow tent grow. If so I`ll test if the strength is the same. Of course that wont be the full picture, some may be easier absorbed, I`m not sure.

No I dont think B`cuzz is any better than Canna, I switched to B`cuzz just to rule the Canna out of the equation whilst sorting the def/lock out probs I`d been having. I bought 5ltrs B`cuzz A+B, and its been fine, but its nearly run out though and I`ve just ordered 10ltrs canna A+B, so its back to the trusted Canna for me

I`m skint, thats why I bought the ATA PK13/14 at a fiver, cant compare it, but I`ll see how it goes anyway.

This time I`m going to try Panela, dried unrefined cane sugar juice, for extra sugars and riboflavin. Gonna go shopping for it tmro, better than molasses apparently. I was put onto it by Bonecarver, I really rate him as a good intelligent grower. He has a thread called the Eden Project, check it out mate, its all coco, but some exciting stuff happening there.He has a link about Panela in his signature.

Cheers, Toke

 

[haze_daze]

I'm using Plant Magic Bloom Boost for my current grow and it has some Nitrogen added to it.


'Plant Magic Bloom Boost is a PK 13/14 booster for fruiting crops.

Unlike the conventional 13/14 boosters out on the market today, this Bloom Boost also contains some Nitrogen in the form of Nh4. This creates a balanced nutrient profile resulting in an all round healthier plant.

Giving your crops a boost of Potassium and Phosphorus during it’s fruiting stage will ensure that your crops will benefit from faster growth as well as larger compact fruit when using this booster.'

 

[Tokesome]

'Plant Magic Bloom Boost is a PK 13/14 booster for fruiting crops.

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Is that the one thats £35 plus a liter??

 

[haze_daze]

Is that the one thats £35 plus a liter??

No I got a 500ml bottle for £5.95

1 Litre £ 9.95
5 Litres £34.56

 

[Scrogerman]

If its got N in it, it's not a true PK 13/14 product, but correct me if i'm wrong, It therefore has an NPK profile value, not just PK like the Canna which is 0/13/14. Again another product that seems to be using the PK 13/14 brand name/issue. Does that stuff give you an NPK value on the back of the bottle/Label.?? Under £10 cant be bad, let us know what you think of the product dude"!
Peace.............Scroger!

 

[haze_daze]

Yes it does seem strange that they've added N , even though they claim it's their PK 13/14 product. There's no NPK value on the on the label.

The reason I think it's slightly cheaper atm is that Plant Magic Plus is a fairly new range of British made products, so they are trying to entice customers to try their range. Nearly all their products are cheaper than their competitors.

I bought the Soil Bloom with an NPK of 2.5-0.5-5.2 and I must be honest I've not been impressed with it; I even had to switch back to Green Dream last week and now my plants are doing far better, although it has had some good reviews. The P at 0.5% seems far too low, although their new Oldtimer Organic Plant Bloom has an NPK of 3-5-4 with 10x the amount of P of the original bloom product, while it has had extremely good reviews, so I'll probably give it a go on my next grow.

There's a full range of hydro, soil and various other products available too.

 

[Scrogerman]

Hey HD'.
Yeah a bit mad the ratio's of them bloom ferts & the P In the PM sounds very low at .5, i wonder why compared to the other product like you said, odd! Sounds like its part of a feed package or something. I'll have to have a look at the range when i get a minute, seeing as its British too. I bet the NPK value will be on their website, if they got one! its gotta be listed somewhere if its in the product, or has it?. I'm reading up a little on organic nutes & mixes atm its thats all relevent to future projects. Have you seen the new organics line from General Hydroponics? looks interesting too. G'Luck with it all buddy!
Peace.............Scroger'

 

[Tokesome]

Keep us posted if ya find owt Scroger ;-)

 

[paulo73]

Looking lush!
Cant wait for the smoke report
Mine Ultimate popped 5 out 5.
Great germination rate!
Keep those pics coming please
Peace

 

[Scrogerman]

Hey Paulo,
Great to hear that Germination went well for you dude',
What did you honestly think of the size of the seeds? Like i mentioned before, mine were the smallest i have ever seen, & thats in around 20 years. Dutch Passion Stated that all their seeds of 'The Ultimate' were like this. Whats your thoughts buddy?
'Peace............Scroger'

BTW- I have sampled a little 6 wk old bud. I was quietly suprised at the quality for something so young. She has a sweet Super'Skunk like scent 'atm' that is very dominant so far, i'm hoping this will change, i'm not a massive fan of SS, i like it, but i find the sweetness boring after a little while. There's another scent i'm getting too which is real unusual, its almost like some sort of sweet washing powder or soap sort of smell, never smelt anything like it ever. My Smoke report will be up in around 5 wks hopefully, if all goes well. I want at least a little cure before i report! Good luck with your Grow dude!

 

[paulo73]

Yes, mate they were tiny. But size never matters that much.
To be honest i had some tiny african seeds back in Portugal long ago(bagseed), saddly i didnt grow at the time. Damn me!
I like your smoke reports my friend...remembers me of wine tasting
Peace

 

[Roortokeage]

Update Pix? =)

 

[squarepush3r]

A+ and subscribed. really want to hear a grow/smoke report considering the hype Dutch Passion has given this train.