Dood Floranova Rocks!!

[Hydro-Soil]

if you made a 1:1 diluted solution, thus making it half as potent. wouldn't you just double the suggested amount to add?

Yep. I mark my bottle so that I remember what the dilution ratio was and what to measure. (FNB 1:2 24ml/gal) (FNG 1:1 10-14ml/gal)

also besides diluting and mixing with a paint paddle bit, I am thinking of straining the mix

If you have anything to strain, you haven't fully mixed it yet. You really don't want to leave anything in the bottle as a 'solid' as it affects the quality of your grow. If you're having clogging issues, look to your setup.

I haven't used it for aero so definitely do a search for those that have. I do know that the mixed solution is just as clear as the 3-part so I don't see where you'd have any issues with it. You use surprisingly little per gallon, remember?

 

[ogatec]

flora nova-lazy man's best friend...i find a couple of weeks in i do get a very slight def. of some sort tho, ill have to post a pic. next time it pops up...


8ml/gallon is a LOT, i dont think i ever give my babies that much. mabey i should try, but if i go over 5ml/gal (1300ppm+) my tips start to burn.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

8ml/gallon is a LOT, i dont think i ever give my babies that much. mabey i should try, but if i go over 5ml/gal (1300ppm+) my tips start to burn.

at 8ml/gal you should be right around 1300ppm. You ARE using RO water...... right?

The deficiency can be cleared up by raising the pH to around 6.0-6.1 for a week or two when it shows. After that, be sure to run the rest of your grow at 5.8ish as the meds taste a lot better that way.

 

[ItsGrowTime]

According to my bottle of FN Bloom, 10ml/gal is only 950ppm at .5 conversion (less than 2.0EC). If you are getting 1300ppm at 5ml/gal then your base water is loaded with stuff (well water?) or your adding other supplements that raise the ppm a lot.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

According to my bottle of FN Bloom, 10ml/gal is only 950ppm at .5 conversion (less than 2.0EC). If you are getting 1300ppm at 5ml/gal then your base water is loaded with stuff (well water?) or your adding other supplements that raise the ppm a lot.

I don't have a ppm/EC meter.

I'm only quoting what Lucas has pointed out.
Both the 3-part and the Nova Bloom should be around 1300ppm at .7 conversion. It's all in the linked thread in my sig. 38 pages of it.

 

[exer]

I will try to use FNB with AN Big bud and Overdrive.
Is this reasonably to do?

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I will try to use FNB with AN Big bud and Overdrive.
Is this reasonably to do?

No, but people do it anyway. I have no advice for you if you do since FNB has everything you need in it. Unless you've grown with just FNB, you have no idea what the additives are doing anyway.

I can say you will definitely end up spending more time adjusting pH. FNB is pH buffered for FNB and RO water. Not additives.

 

[YosemiteSam]

If you believe FNB provides a "balanced and complete" formula for your plants blooming needs then adding a PK booster will result in a lower percentage of N, higher percentages of P and K and lower percentages of all of the other minerals provided by FNB.

If, in fact, the FNB is balanced and you add PK boosters you will develop deficiencies...then if you chase those deficiencies with additional additives you have to ask yourself if you are skilled enough to do so without creating further deficiencies. Some people do so with good results, some do so with regrets.

The choice is up to the individual. Best for anyone who wants to use PK boosters to run a side by side test for themselves and prove which is best for their own individual situation...you are not going to get a consensus by asking people on the internet.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

If you believe FNB provides a "balanced and complete" formula for your plants blooming needs then adding a PK booster will result in a lower percentage of N, higher percentages of P and K and lower percentages of all of the other minerals provided by FNB.

If, in fact, the FNB is balanced and you add PK boosters you will develop deficiencies...then if you chase those deficiencies with additional additives you have to ask yourself if you are skilled enough to do so without creating further deficiencies. Some people do so with good results, some do so with regrets.

The choice is up to the individual. Best for anyone who wants to use PK boosters to run a side by side test for themselves and prove which is best for their own individual situation...you are not going to get a consensus by asking people on the internet.

Very well put. Thank you!
Exactly the reason I don't use them, I don't consider myself anywhere near skilled enough to use them properly, consistently. So I skip it and still get big beautiful, sweeeet buds. (Imagine that! )

 

[ItsGrowTime]

I don't have a ppm/EC meter.

I'm only quoting what Lucas has pointed out.
Both the 3-part and the Nova Bloom should be around 1300ppm at .7 conversion. It's all in the linked thread in my sig. 38 pages of it.

The conversion factor is the difference. However, I have noticed that since the Lucas formula came out and was translated over to Floranova the Floranova label has changed! The ppm/EC table changed about a year or so ago. I wonder if that has any effect? I dont remember the exact changes nor do I have one of the old bottles. Was just something I remember happening.

 

[madpenguin]

Black sludge accumulating.....

Black sludge accumulating.....

Does anyone get clumps of Black Slime forming in the root zone? I just switched over to FN{G,B} and I'm noticing small "sheets" or clumps of slimy black gunk in my NFT tubes around the roots and on the sides of my 4x4 blocks....

It has to be the FN because I've never seen this in the years I've been doing Hydroponics....

I will say that I'm also using KoolBloom liquid/dry and CarboLoad. I wonder if the Carboload is attaching to the nutes. The carboload is a slimy gel for those of you who haven't used it before...

Thoughts/confirmations anyone?

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Does anyone get clumps of Black Slime forming in the root zone?<snip>

I will say that I'm also using KoolBloom liquid/dry and CarboLoad.

I'd say you already pegged your likely culprit. FNB isn't going to be your cause for black slime.

 

[toohighmf]

Black funk I gotta ask.... Are you exposing the water to much light? What are your rez temps? Carbo will not really uptake due to it's thickness. I use it as a gentle flushing agent In the end to pack it on by flushing.. I'm running NFT and haven't had such a problem

 

[thcrefugee]

has anyone ever heard that when using this you dont need to use an airstone in a dwc? he also said i dont really need to check the ph. that running the air would negatiively affect the ph and cause it to swing more wildly...

???? what i was told at the local store.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

has anyone ever heard that when using this you dont need to use an airstone in a dwc?

If you want to kill your plants, go ahead. I'm sure he's thinking about something else though. DWC without an airstone = no dissolved oxygen in the water and root suffocation (followed quickly by root rot)

he also said i dont really need to check the ph.

With these nutes he's correct. They have excellent pH buffers and, once pH'd initially, you shouldn't need to adjust it until you change the res again. If you do an add-back, you'll probably have to adjust it occasionally but I've not personally run a res that way.

that running the air would negatiively affect the ph and cause it to swing more wildly...

???? what i was told at the local store.

If you don't want your pH to swing much, if at all, don't use anything but RO water. Airstones will affect tap-water/nute combos much more than RO water.

I use an airstone in my res for both my E&F and Drip systems and have experienced nothing but rock solid pH. Has your local store owner actually used these nutes or is he passing on generally accepted information for 'most' nutes.?

 

[bambam]

Anyone running this stuff in COCO? If so hit me with your mix via pm or you can hit me back on this thread.....Would love to give this nute a run in coco but was thinking the game might chance with a diff medium. Anyone?

 

[madpenguin]

Black funk I gotta ask.... Are you exposing the water to much light?

Yea. It's possible. Have a few open slots that I never bothered to cover up.

What are your rez temps?

low to mid 70's.... Something I need to work on. I added more light and now my AC can't keep up.

Carbo will not really uptake due to it's thickness. I use it as a gentle flushing agent In the end to pack it on by flushing.. I'm running NFT and haven't had such a problem

Interesting... Your saying the amino acids aren't used then and it does nothing when used in conjunction with nutes?

 

[RamCTD1027]

Anyone running this stuff in COCO? If so hit me with your mix via pm or you can hit me back on this thread.....Would love to give this nute a run in coco but was thinking the game might chance with a diff medium. Anyone?

I'm interested in this answer too. Dongle69, who is now banned I believe, ran FloraNova grow/bloom under 6000w with coco pots ebb and flow. That is what I am currently setting up. I have 66 clones vegging right now that will be going in pots of coco in ebb and flow tables. Right now, I am torn between FloraNova and CNS17. It seems as though EVERYONE loves FloraNova but CNS17 doesnt really get much love around here. Is this because it is a newer product or is FloraNova just that much better?

I know this sounds ridiculous, but the hydro store guy (whom I know to never really listen to) told me that floranova leaves a HORRIBLE film all over the reservior and to stay away from it. I asked him about CNS17 and he didnt even know about the product.

I am looking for a 1-part nutrient to use in veg and flower and I've narrowed it down to Floranova and CNS17. Which do you guys recommend???

 

[PurplePotion]

Used FNB for a whole bunch of things, including hydro tomatoes and some unordinary flowers. Love it.

As far as MJ goes, my first use of FNB was with 4 soil plants each in 5gal containers .. and honestly, I was just going by what the plant was telling me.. Think I might have had a measuring cup and pH test drops at the time haha. Regardless, I had great results for what it was.

Starting to use FNB as a the only nutrient in my program.. veg and bloom. Have been using PBP&LK for my mother, but have been watering with FNB the past week or two, and it looks phenomenal.

Currently have 40 Sensi star clones (pretty heavy yielding pheno.. hoping for at least a bow) under a 600W in a 2x4 tray, ebb&flow. They are in 4x4 RW cubes with a coco mat lining the entire bottom of the tray.

I went ahead with the mat due to my experience growing those hydro tomatoes last summer in the greenhouse. Roots wanted to cover the entire bottom of the tray, but would get burnt very easily, and hardly ever survived outside of a puddle in the tray. The mat is my solution.. not only will it allow tons more physical medium for roots to grow through, it also acts as a light shield for the bottom channels of the res-- if you're familiar with Botanicare's trays, you know how deep the channels are and how much root space that actually is.

Sorry for rambling.. FNB is great stuff.

I am interested in the positive/negative effects on yield with using KoolBloom somewhere in the flowering cycle. Anyone tinker with this yet?

Also, I've been using FNB with tap water the entire time I've used it. My tap is usually between 3-400.. Right now total ppm's are ~1400, so ~1000ppm of FNB on 1-2week old clones and they're loving every second of it. Anyone run into any problems with using tap?

 

[Hydro-Soil]

I know this sounds ridiculous, but the hydro store guy (whom I know to never really listen to) told me that floranova leaves a HORRIBLE film all over the reservior and to stay away from it.

I have no idea what he's talking about. I just dumped a 4gal veg res that's been running for over a month now. The only 'film' I saw was from the hydroton. I uhhh... gave it a quick rinse and it's peachy.


I have no experience with the other nute but I can tell you that my girls look so happy, I really don't have any desire to look elsewhere. Besides, you can find FNB/FNG at a lot of online garden shops.