Do you have ADD?

[Jack Crevalle]

ADD is total bullshit!! Most kids that are claimed to have ADD dont have a disorder, they just have bad parents. when i was a kid if i didnt pay attention or focus on the task at hand my father gave me many good reasons to pay attention or else. And it worked like a charm. Most parents today suck at parenting and dont give their children discipline, instead they see a kid not paying attention and take em to a doc for a pill that makes th kid more manageable. When in fact its not the kid with the problem its the parent with the problem.

ADD is bullshit and so is RLS ( restless leg syndrome) . RLS justmeans you need to get your fat ass off the lazyboy and go for a walk or do something. They make shit up just to sell more pills


Oh yeah, Erectile dysfunction is also bullshit. If you got pussy staring you in the face and your dick cant get hard you dont need a pill. You're gay and a pill wont change that. Those viagra commercials crack me up. My gir can walk by me and rub against me by accident and im at attention. If you need a pill to make your dick hard, you are either gay or your girl is to fat to make you wanna fuck her

Finally someone with some sense. I would have typed the exact same thing. It's a market niche the farmy industry is not willing to give up, BILLIONS of dollars. Prozac and Ritalin cause kids and adults to go off the edge daily. I wouldn't be surprised if the docs don't get incentives to diagnose and administer this shit it's so common nowadays. Look at the colombine and Virginia tech kids, all fucked up chemically, all prozac fuck ups, moms drowning kids on prozac, same shit..Yummy, get a life and talk about Cannabis once in awhile. It's getting old. Can't you apply Cannabis to all your fucked up perceived problems? LOL Cannabis man, change the record

 

[Guest]

No sweat. If you were my age and had a chick in her 60's rub up against you with her sagging tits and varicose veins, chances are your dick would run and hide up your ass.

LOL,damn
pops,saggy tits,rubbin and vericous veins!!theres a lotta cats out there startin to get heavy!!

 

[eatlikekings]

yummy, go find yourself a nice girlfriend or get laid, and then you can relax and concentrate on your homework... instead of thinking about either or all day long

 

[Pops]

Yummy is still thinking about the Chinese guy who put his hand on Yummy's leg.

Red, it just goes to show that as we age, we are not as pretty as we once were! Even Cher, who has been around since before fire, has had to have a few implants and makeovers.

 

[bartender187]

ADD is a myth.


theres a pill for every fucked up mind.
and a cure for every fucked up child.

THANK YOU.

For real...

Watch.. cure your diet and your mind won't wander as much. Read up on excitotoxins... a book I recommend... "Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills"
written by Dr Russel Blaylock
Board certified neurosurgeon engaged in a private neurosurgical practice for the past 21 years. Expertise in nutritional treatment of neurological disorders and in the biochemical basis of diseases of the nervous system. One of the world's foremost experts on Excitatory Amino Acids and their relationship to neurological and behavioral disorders. (Bio)
Author of "Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills"

 

[badboyg]

Mr. Nevermind & Jack Crevalle .. and others,... sorry your both wrong...

i agree it is OVER used as an excusse... I AM AN older adult ,, I have ADD,... or what ever YOU want to call it... (high speed sydrom)

I If I do not have several things going at once I drift off and get busy some place else, I was military and no meds,,. so no cause and effect there ,,, I have leared to mostly coop with it,, but to BLINDLY say its all BS is truly ingnorent,,, I even had a time when the blue pil helped me... not any more ... but things happen that cause changes, stress age,,, and not evry one is the same,, can you drink a quart of 151 and walk away,, some can .. can you speed read.. I do and not with that evalin shit,.... can you,, ETC,, we are all INDIVUDUALS (sp)..

I firmly believe what most call ADD.. is part of our evolution,, be it induced by enviroment or reactions to the change in socicty .. we are changeing.. look at our kidds..

NOW having said that I also think the foods and lack of interaction helps too.. IF you build a fast car and pump shit fuel into it... it will not function well.. just like kidds,, ADD or ADHD,, .. IF you have a new generation of humans who can think faster think outside the box,, all at 105 MPH,,, and fill them with CRAP hollow foods and park them in a room with a TV or a stupid teacher , or what not,, your going to get problems....

one last note,, I find MMJ greatly helps with seveal issues. JAH has provided many great things for us,, the GOV does not want us to rise up.. so wake up and try to have a more open mind,,

peace,,,,,

 

[Rubberband Man]

So i was in the chat room and proved ADD is a lack of discipline not a disorder. This kid said he had ADD and named the pill he takes for it. I told him he just lacked discipline to which he disagreed. I told him if he went to the military I bet he wouldnt have ADD. He said he was in the militarty for 6 years. I then asked if he took his Meds while in the military and he said no. Just after he left. Which proves that with discipline and a do it or else mentality ADD isnt a disorder, its an excuse.




Nevermind

He left the room! lol. you totally pwned that noob. Now that you've totally exposed the ADD in a chat room conversation, what are your next steps? Have you alerted the media?

Assuming chat logs can confirm your evidence, I see big changes in america.

My point here Nevermind is that everyone is different and you can't use one persons story to apply to everyone else. Everyone already knows its over-diagnosed.

Behavioral therapy can only take some people so far.

 

[VictoryGardener]

but behavioral therapy (no meds) is the best path to treating ADD... threapy and applying good habits is the best way to deal with the symptoms in school and in life.. My dad has ADD and was never diagnosed... he learned all these ways to cope with it by himself.. I can't imagine how tough school was for him.. Nevermind and Bartender... you guys have no insight into ADD.. you just spew stuff you heard in your circles onto this thread... you have no idea what you're talking about

 

[The Anchorman]

What was the question?

 

[trem0lo]

Remember the south park where the doctor read the kids a novel to test if they had ADD? Classic. I agree it's total bullshit and most kids don't need it. If there are kids with learning disabilities, yeah, ritalin might help. most of the time--not. Giving kids amphetamines... wow, puts a whole new perspective on it!

 

[muddy waters]

I'm not going to pretend I like someone just to get laid lol.

please do not share stealth methods in the open forum.


re: ADD, what ngakpa said is true. no one got ADD before the television became life's focus in the 1970-80s-90s. and just as you've been conditioned to short attention span activity, you can condition your attention span to a maintain a single focus longer through meditation or other activity which demands this.

 

[VictoryGardener]

that's not true...ADD has always been around.. it hasn't always been addressed though, like many other psychological disorders... some of you guys still think its just a way to pump kids full of meth, or its just an excuse for laziness.. while the REAL truth is- you don't really know.. unfortunately, some kids DO end up on strong regiments of medication, while others, like me, learned to deal with it the hard way.. it is also unfortunate that there are so many misunderstandings and untruths about ADD- ADHD... as is evident by some of the posts in this thread.

 

[ngakpa]

I believe humans have been having problems with sustained attention since the year dot

there are records in the Pali Nikayas (ancient Buddhist teachings dating back to 4th to 5th century BC) of people struggling for years to maintain a single-pointed state of mind in meditation practice

that said, there is increasing evidence to suggest that TV, diet, education etc. have a great deal to do with our ever decreasing attention spans

personally I struggle to have anything to do with people who have TVs in their homes, especially people who leave their TV running no matter what... real problem at the moment with a friend whose gf always has the TV on constantly ... could rant about that one endlessly, but the result is I cannot stand being in their home for any length of time

suffice to say - maintaining presence of mind is a skill, one that can be developed, and also lost

my capacity to remain focused has diminished since I stopped practising meditation daily two years ago - it took some time for me to notice, but gradually my clarity and focus declined until it became obvious to me

some conspicuous changes were that I became worse at listening to people, more prone to lasting bad moods, depression, irritation - significantly more likely to become driven by negative emotion, loss of self control; more prone to my mind wandering when I read etc. etc.

I know that when I finally restart a daily meditation routine my awareness, clarity, reaction time, emotional balance, self-control, and perception will all become greatly enhanced again ... all experienced meditators can attest to this (why I stopped is another story)

the mind requires training, that is a fact - our culture is paying dearly for its inability to learn from older traditions on the importance of this skill ... it's a vast gulf in our development as individuals

this site might be of interest to people looking to learn meditation, or try out a different technique
http://www.dhamma.org/
courses are totally free, centres are worldwide - could be of particular interest to people thinking of visiting Asia

 

[muddy waters]

victory gardener, first, there is still no consensus on what causes ADD or ADHD. it seems related to dopamine levels in the brain or glucose metabolism but despite significant research no conclusions have been reached, leading me to believe ADHD is mostly a response to environmental stimuli. i also show symptoms of this disorder and so my post reflects my own experience with dealing with it, as well.

and it is a fact that this disorder has only become soooo prevalent in the last 20-30 years. ritalin became available in 1957, and psychiatry itself didn't codify ADHD until 1968. the term ADD came about only in 1980. psychiatrists have mostly insisted that ADHD is a real neurological disorder yet no one has been able to identify the causative factors or pinpoint the exact chemical differences in brains of people with ADHD and without.

i really believe environmental factors, primarily television, to play the most significant role.

 

[Guest]

Normally I am quick to point out that alot of the younger (my age +/-) parents suck aty being parents because they don't try to make anything stick with regards to punishment or general discipline. That said.....
My daughter bounces, bounces and bounces more, squirming, tapping, talking, jumping skipping, humming, on and on and on................ Nothing could get her to sit down and do something for longer than 10 minutes before you'd find her dancing or something else. I Do Not like the "medicating" of children for the hell of it and I don't think that alot of the kids that are diagnosed as such are actually in need of medications. (Kinda like the boom of Prozac prescrips for teens of my generation) However, I do know this; after talking with the doctor and a bit of coaxing, he got me to give it a try and see if it would help (home as well as school) and I honestly can't deny that it makes it 1000X's easier to get her to sit down and do her homework without a babysitter holding her hand. She can be told to get her bedroom picked up and be caught cleaning her room a 1/2 hour later. She'd have never been caught doing the same thing for a 1/2 hour before. Her grades have improved as well as teacher reports of "needs to spend less time socializing and more time concentrating on tasks" have dissapeared completely. I really hate to have a "medicated" child but the truth is, it has made life a bit easier for her. When she can concentrate and get tasks completed that means she spends less time being in trouble and more time doing things like playing outside.

J.

 

[Pops]

Ordinarily, I am your run-of-the-mill pissy old man. However, by utilizing meditation and anal-probing, I can effectively become a nasty, mean-ass piece of shit for long periods of time.

Just joking,folks.My daughter is an adult and watches very little t.v. I totally agree that parents let kids watch far too much and that their diets are full of sugar, which can cause excessive brain farts. My daughter has been diagnosed with panic/anxiety and with Adult ADD, both of which can have the same symptoms. She has been prescribed with both Zoloft and Adderal, either of which will bring on strong suicidal desires. It has been a tremendous frustration to both of us that doctors will not go to the trouble to find out if there are chemical or hormonal imbalances with these conditions. Ordinarily both conditions are treated by a shrink, not a M.D.

I believe that meditation and diet can play a part in coping with these conditions, but does not do a complete job. It is difficult to find a cause, but very easy and profitable to medicate, medicate again and overmedicate .

 

[ngakpa]

yeh I guess the thing about calling it "meditation" is you can end up sounding like a pompous wanker with spiritual pretensions

many of the words for it in Pali stress that above all else it is a kind of mental development - "bhaavana" etc

seems mad to me that people complain of difficulty concentrating when they never practise - I would not be suprised if my memory was bad if I never used it

modern life puts all kind of demands on us without our culture giving is any sound basis to work from - kind of like throwing someone into the middle of a game of football everyday without giving them any training - etc.

 

[muddy waters]

you can end up sounding like a pompous wanker with spiritual pretensions

which is exactly what my 10 day seminar on healing ADD through the use of cliche will cultivate in you.

psycho-astrolo-zen monk and mystic healer muddy waters of the muddy waters holistic center for the knowledge and the way* makes this weekly prescription:

10 hours of meditation
10 hours of avant garde jazz
daily wanking (it can be pompous or otherwise, team or solo)
a joint or glass of red wine every evening

*the muddy waters holistic center for the knowledge and the way is not a "medical center" and does not pay "taxes"

 

[PersonalSmoke]

I don't think that I have ADD, but I regularly take adderall to help me study. I don't enjoy it in the least bit, but it really is like academic steroids. It's especially useful during finals since I only need to sleep a couple of hours before popping another and getting back to work.

I think it's pretty sick that this stuff is given to small children. I usually take 1 30mg XR and I can do work nonstop for a good 10 hours, but I can't even image having to take it every day. Like I said, it really is a horrible drug in that it doesn't make you feel good at all, it just makes you want to work, and work, and work. Figures that this shit is legal while I have to be all paranoid about my tiny closet grow.

As far as ADD and ADHD being real, of course they are. The medication for them is just overprescribed. All the older people here saying it's a myth need to do some reading. ADD and ADHD rates are going up, just like downsyndrome rates are going up and cancer rates too. The only thing going down is IQs. Why? Cells phones, tv dinners, steroid injected beef, tanning boothes, all that stuff. Your generation has punished your bodies so much that your DNA has been damaged. Guess what? That gets passed to the next generation, and my generation is doing the same thing, which means that the next generation is ven more fucked. People say that we are going to destroy ourselves with nukes. Not really, it's more likely that we'll destroy our DNA with mcdonalds and devolve ourselves as a species.

I shouldn't talk though, I doubt the addys are helping my situation.

 

[Pops]

Muddy, I got the joints and wine down pat, and am also pretty good at the wanking. Problem is, I like the old jazz, not the avant garde stuff. Can I still join the center? I don't pay taxes either.