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dank.frank

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Chili - you and I brother. It's almost time to shift gears. 2020 will give birth to a new project. Something I've wanted to do for the last 7-8 years or so. Relentless, actually ditched his idea to leave it in my hands. He did so, knowing, that we could produce a better end result. You already know what it is. This is my legacy project. It's very likely, there will be another thread started - for another build - for commercial runs. True "spot" style. Just flower and drying rooms.

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To back track. I really appreciate the show of support and encouragement. I'll be 100% honest in saying, there is a part of me that feels absolutely stupid. Like I'm putting my head on the chopping block, handing someone an axe, and then daring them - but only after insulting their mother and grandmother and younger sister first.

I'm not exactly sure - why - I'm entertaining it, because I certainly wasn't looking. I wasn't in need. The end result is me feeling vulnerable and overly exposed and highly compromised.

Like any of you, I find red flags in things that other people don't associate with such. I see warning signs and threats in places others would never comprehend. It's important to have that discernment and to be CONFIDENT in knowing and trusting self - it's paramount.

The worst part about this interaction, is it makes me willing to doubt myself. This is one of the primary reasons I avoid outside influence in any capacity. I need to be able to think clearly. I need my senses highly tuned. I need my instincts to panic when appropriate and I need to have the confidence in that learned and developed person, which has now become innate, TO TRUST - and act on that intuition.

Giving a shit - about anyone - really compromises the fluidity of that intuition. I hate to say it, but in this game, it takes a very selfish person - to have the surety and consistency - to be able to HELP others. What an oxymoron.

How do you explain - if I get busted - then the people who have come to depend on me for their medicine, are also penalized and suffer and are defaulted to the pills that stole their soul again. (I have 3 now - oops. I can't not help someone in need, when they are truly seeking herb as MEDICINE.)

I'm honestly, REALLY touched by the outpouring of support. Not what I expected, honestly. If I was reading my thread, I'd see a vulnerable - and somehwat possibly compromised grower, making fool hardy decisions. If this was any of you posting this - I'd not be all too surprised to see a relatively concurrent post in the security sub-forums.

As you can clearly tell - I have no idea how to actually feel - what to actually think - and it's all so very unsettling for me.

I'd never share such contrite and irrelevant info in a grow thread - this thread isn't about me - it's about plants. About D.A.N.K. I don't want to dwell on this - but I also wanted you all to know I've not flaked out.

I realized earlier today, the only way I'm ever going to be able to make sense of "THIS" what ever it may or may not be - is sharing with the only people on the whole planet, that actually KNOW who I am.

My secrets have been laid bare on these walls for over a decade. I share this personal side of things, in that same tradition.

I'm not staking my world on her - cannabis - will ALWAYS - ALWAYS - be my priority and my reason for breathing. I love this plant. Mary is my mistress. I'm alive today because of this plant. I'm who I am today because of this plant. My entire world view, my entire reality, has been shaped - in part - by this plant.

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Enough is enough. I'm done talking about this particular subject in this thread.

We have more important...relations...to worry about.

DISCLAIMER

I am not allowed to share ANY genetic component of what I'm about to discuss. It was a very clear and understood parameter that was set in place by KG. These are private genes. I was SUPPOSED to cull ALL males.

I've NEVER done this. I've always just grabbed the Fiskars and held to the rules.

SORRY -NOT SORRY-.

This male that surfaced in the Mochiesel, is impossibly unique. It really is a throwback, recessive OG phenotype. It doesn't smell like TK on a stem rub and is a bit to lanky in it's structure to be a TK OG type pheno - I *think* it is a Biker Kush pheno.

Except, the male has ZERO smell. A bit of maybe green tea-ish - but otherwise, you'd never know he existed. His structure though, is not even remotely the same as the siblings. You'd think it was a different seed line.

All the same, the OG is way too buried in this line for such an expression. The other plants aren't remotely the same. They are clearly, some sort of mash up hybrid.

My plan for this pollen, is to make a few personal F2's for line preservation - and to get the Forum cut back - to hit her with it. I think - that is the match made in heaven. The only other cut I'd consider mixing him with - is the GLC cut. Not enough people have paid attention to that one. I *think* that cut is a possibility worth exploring. I think the Forum cut, is the golden goose to lay them eggs.

Karma Genetics - restricted Mochiesel pollen.

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When in Boston, I took a brief moment to ask O a bit more detail about her budder. This represents a 1/4 lb to 1lb of butter. 1oz per stick more or less. These cookies are 280-320 mg per cookie. I've learned they trash the normies. I get the "wtf did you put in that" question a bit too often maybe...LOL.

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I forget that medical tolerance is NOT the same as those who use cannabis in a recreational sense. But then, recreational users don't have the access growers do in order to accommodate such a provision.

At the end of the day, it is a new leaf I'm turning over. I'm just don't want to present a false construct.

Hell. It very well could be me posting in the securities and legal sub-forum next!!!! I certainly hope not.

Those 3 rules exist for a reason. I've broken them. I hope I don't pay the price. This is certainly the point in the thread in which I assert - do as I say, not as I'm doing. (unless we are discussing soil; which then in that case, just cut and paste. :joint: )



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TheBlaze

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A wise man once said: "Hang out with your wang out." :biggrin:

Pinch of salt brother... I don't mean to cheapen your experience with the new lady friend. I love my family, and am a better man for it.

Just a word of advice, because you've been out of the game for so long... One day at a time! Tomorrow will take care of itself. Plenty of women (and men) get scared off when the other party comes on too strong. :tiphat:
 

shawkmon

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Who's getting new puss og? Dink frank? Pat's on the back. Fuckin pollen porn got me all worked up?
 

heady blunts

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haha good god that’s explains it. that is some insane butter. doesn’t she infuse directly from flower? is it a multi stage process or does she still do the old water and butter boil?

have you talked to karma about the pollen? biker is so special.

did you hear abf/abja roots podcast the other day? it was cool to hear about the beginning of the forum cut. i didn’t realize it started before i had even joined the boards. never came across a a single cookie thing while living on the central coast at the time.
 

GOT_BUD?

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I made some pretty strong butter last year for the first time ever. It was awful. I ended up throwing it away because I couldn't handle the taste.

Even in cookies and in truffles. Just made me gag.

Someone here said, "It's supposed to taste like grasshopper puke."

I've never had grasshopper puke, but I'd say that it might be an apt description.
 

Miraculous Meds

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Good luck on the new relationship and kudos for having the balls to step out there again where your head can get chopped off. Its a bit more exhilarating than hiding by ourselves deep in the growrooms. If it makes you happy and fulfilled, its always worth the risk my friend.
 

Miraculous Meds

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I made some pretty strong butter last year for the first time ever. It was awful. I ended up throwing it away because I couldn't handle the taste.

Even in cookies and in truffles. Just made me gag.

Someone here said, "It's supposed to taste like grasshopper puke."

I've never had grasshopper puke, but I'd say that it might be an apt description.

I used to make only strong butter before learning how to estimate dosaging better(or actually have it tested if you have that luxury). You can always just reduce your cannabutter with more butter to make a lower dosage instead of pitching it. Ive found that at 25mg per cookie, you cant really taste cannabis, 50mg, its noticeable. But once you hit 100mg or higher in a small treat, its pretty medicinal tasting. If wanting to keep it strong but yet a small treat, i found that chocolate chips n other flavored chips blend to hide the taste. But the ultimate thing for me to avoid the medicine taste wast to turn it into capsules with coconut oil as the carrier. The only draw back to those is when you burp, its like exhaling a huge toke from a dank joint.
 

nickman

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I made some pretty strong butter last year for the first time ever. It was awful. I ended up throwing it away because I couldn't handle the taste.

Even in cookies and in truffles. Just made me gag.

Someone here said, "It's supposed to taste like grasshopper puke."

I've never had grasshopper puke, but I'd say that it might be an apt description.

I did the same thing... I just couldn’t handle the taste...!!!...
I need to try it again...
 

dank.frank

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in all seriousness the isolation is devastating and i am extremely glad to hear someone had the right vibration to pass thru those walls and touch your heart.

regardless of the future that is a big accomplishment. the universe celebrates.

What it do, F.A.M.!! You're one of the few I've discussed such things with over the years. Your wisdom and huge heart have given me strength through some of the more difficult times.

"Regardless of the future..." - Hits the nail on the head. You understand. Even if not her, I've opened myself back up to the consideration of someone, and the mental shift that comes with that puts the world in a bit of a different perspective.

Nothing but love to you, Heady! :huggg:


Did you tell her all ready ...???...

I respect her. I've given her the ability to make an informed decision.

In all fairness, she lived in LA for a few years and the minute she saw my flowers and professed them to be perhaps, maybe, the best she'd ever seen or sampled; she already knew something was up. East coast wasn't supposed to have flowers like that. :biggrin: :joint:


how's the leds treating you? i notice scammie and her minions have disappeared from her site.

I haven't checked in with her. I've not heard from her since the PPFD and u/mol charts were released. They were only about half the values she was anticipating, so, I'm really not sure what to think yet.

I'm still going to flower the room out with the HydroGrowLED lights. As far as the plants growing under them, they are healthy and seemingly fine. Secondary growth seems a bit thin, but that changes in flower, generally. I'll still do the full gauntlet on the LED run.

I DON'T think they will have the penetration. That's why I'm taking clones of everything and running a SOG rather than flowering out these moms.

I still need the numbers to add up at the end of the day.



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dank.frank

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Just a word of advice, because you've been out of the game for so long... One day at a time! Tomorrow will take care of itself. Plenty of women (and men) get scared off when the other party comes on too strong.
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I'll try not to be too "Frank" with her. :laughing: I know I'm a bit of an intense person so I do try to tone that back. Good advice!


Who's getting new puss og? Fuckin pollen porn got me all worked up?

I know this isn't what you mean, but I've heard rumors in the wind that the Puss Kush might be making a reappearance. Even better, it's a way beyond verified cut that has never been let go since it was first given as "Puss Kush" - because it was exclaimed to be better than pussy, so the story goes. This cut was later renamed Suge Knight Pure Kush and then it got confused and lost as many other elites, with "accidentally" "mixed up" labels and such. It's a hard one to come by anymore.

In the old days, the only way you had something was via chain of exchange. And you never shared something you couldn't PROVE was legit. The only way to prove it was legit, was to have permission from someone to say...you can put my name in your mouth...but not only my name, but all those that came before me that give credibility to the source of origin. If you had something special and you could prove it, it was because you had earned the right to speak on those names before you.

There still people holding cuts that can verify point of origin. I have a feeling, holding things that are special, VERY VERY close, is the next phase of cannabis. Breeding stock is too valuable to risk sharing because of hacks like Green Point who'll undermine every effort of anyone trying to do things the right way. My desired path forward is clear. Single phenotype seed lines. TRUE cultivars.

Anyway...

That pollen - and anything from it - will NEVER - leave my hands. Berner/Sherbinski/Karma Genetics and the LA Crew that have claim to those genetics would not be happy if that line leaked. It was shared freely with me in good faith, and it will be kept in good faith.

feminized GSC Thin Mint Bx1 x Sour D Bx2 - where the THIN MINT cut being used is in fact the REAL original GSC cutting, because, it has full traceability directly back to Cookie FAM. First time I can say I know for 100% certain, I have "legitimate" GSC genetics in the garden.

Don't get me wrong. Forum cut, OGKB, the 2.0, Grape Licorice, etc, etc - all legit in their own right and have defined the cookie craze in their respective regions because they are valid representations. But, it will be nice to see what the "real" thing is like, even in hybrids.

FWIW - It's pretty easy to tell. I have one that is pretty much a straight stalk and wants to be a single cola beast. I'm assuming it'll lean more towards the Mochi indica side of the cross and be a nice fat purple plant. Time will tell.

You're just a seed whore anyway, Shawk!!! Man after my own heart. :laughing:

haha good god that’s explains it. that is some insane butter. doesn’t she infuse directly from flower? is it a multi stage process or does she still do the old water and butter boil?

have you talked to karma about the pollen? biker is so special.

did you hear abf/abja roots podcast the other day? it was cool to hear about the beginning of the forum cut. i didn’t realize it started before i had even joined the boards. never came across a a single cookie thing while living on the central coast at the time.

Well, I don't know if there are trade secrets or not these days to be honest, but I'll make a post in the social group. I'm still using her old tech, modified a tad. I didn't ask her about current stuff, she was too busy. We barely got a quick chat in.

I haven't spoken to KG yet. Just getting back into the grove. The male though, is alive. I triggered him, cut his top off to collect pollen, and then reverted him. He's due for some fresh soil, but, pollen collected and male living still. Honestly, I kept him alive, in part, because I think Karma is going to want him.

1 finger leaves, 3 finger leaves, 5 fingers on the large fans. It has too much stretch to be a TK influenced recessive. It grows like Biker Kush. Given Biker Kush is really, so far removed in that gene pool, it's some what hilarious I get these crazy recessive plants all the time in so few seeds.

This has been in part why a delay in flowering too. I always say I'll do something with a male and then life happens and it gets lost in the wash. I DON'T WANT TO LOSE THIS ONE. So, I've made sure to secure it, first.

The main thing with the genes is they can never leave my hands. I HAVE TO MAKE 1000% certain I never have any seeds in any flowers that get shared, etc. Maybe those restriction will be lifted some day and if so, then I can ditch the keeper clone if one is found and dive into some F2's and see what I made.

I just don't do the podcast thing - I'm not hip like that. To date, I've only listened to a few segments of various things when someone important is talking about genetics and when someone links it. - The Abja cast sounds like my cup of tea for sure. I'd love to hear what he has to say, but my understanding is it all started around 2009-ISH.

If you wouldn't mind, drop me a PM and share some knowledge on this digital radio stuff and help a stuck in his ways old school grower figure out how to navigate some of these new information sources. :respect:



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dank.frank

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I made some pretty strong butter last year for the first time ever. It was awful. I ended up throwing it away because I couldn't handle the taste.

Even in cookies and in truffles. Just made me gag.

Someone here said, "It's supposed to taste like grasshopper puke."

I've never had grasshopper puke, but I'd say that it might be an apt description.

I used to make only strong butter before learning how to estimate dosaging better(or actually have it tested if you have that luxury). You can always just reduce your cannabutter with more butter to make a lower dosage instead of pitching it. Ive found that at 25mg per cookie, you cant really taste cannabis, 50mg, its noticeable. But once you hit 100mg or higher in a small treat, its pretty medicinal tasting. If wanting to keep it strong but yet a small treat, i found that chocolate chips n other flavored chips blend to hide the taste.

I did the same thing... I just couldn’t handle the taste...!!!... I need to try it again...

Personally, I really enjoy edibles. Longevity in effect is so nice. Not smelling like smoke, is also a huge plus. Potency, isn't an issue for me. In Boston everyone told me WOAH when I ate 2 30mg gummy fish back to back and was going for a third. I thought, okay, wait and see. OOPS. But either the Dawgwoods and the Peak dabs had me higher or it wasn't a large enough dose because I don't recall ever noticing I ate them.

I also know, my cookies thrash others. Critter has found an appreciation for my edibles and understands they ARE in fact strong and more a medible style.

The lady friend has a stash of various edibles from legal states and her tolerance is quite low. 2.5 - 5 mg and she is in her happy place. My cookies - a 1/4 of one sends her into a 45 minute fit of laughter, or so I am told.

I'm going to start experimenting with caramels next.


Rinse that butter!

It makes an incredible difference.
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YES. This times a million. I will usually refine and strain a batch of butter 4 times before using it. So, once it's hardened. Back into a fine mesh stainless steel sieve and boiling water poured over it slowly until it's all melted. I'll usually use a stainless mixing bowl when I do this. Ice water bath for the bowl to cool it faster. While cooling, I'll tap the bowl with a kitchen knife to create vibrations that help things settle out of the butter. Once the butter is solid again, pour out the water underneath, and do it all over again. Do this until the water underneath is basically 100% clear and free of any debris or color.

The butter I pictured, was done this way, except I could have used a finer meshed sieve.

I need to start making Ghee first and then use that to make the budder. One day.

Good luck on the new relationship and kudos for having the balls to step out there again where your head can get chopped off. Its a bit more exhilarating than hiding by ourselves deep in the growrooms. If it makes you happy and fulfilled, its always worth the risk my friend.

Thank you for the support. You know, I've been missing the garden actually. After that 5+ year break, the last thing I want to do is have to close shop again. I perceive giving in to loneliness as weakness - that being said, while lonely at times, it's not the focal point or even remotely a theme in my daily thoughts - so I feel good, knowing that I'm taking risk - because I enjoy the person and want to build sincere trust and confidence. That's the right reason. :peacock:

I've got a contact for you, actually. I need to find the card and send you the information. PM forthcoming.


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Good vibes, everyone. Like I said. I've been missing my time spent here. Been missing all of you - your gardens and seeing your skills on display.

Lots of posts coming the next few days. Remember that soil test we talked about??? We'll have to get nerdy about soil when I do a data dump and use that information get the bed prepped properly for winning an ICmag cup with a true water only approach.

:tiphat:



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chuckyoufarley

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i use 1 oz of popcorn (sometimes my smoking bud) to 1 stick butter simmer 4 hrs in crockpot .my cookies fuck my friends up but then again they are just smokers and light at that .i always hear why do ya make them so strong hahahhahaa
 

Americangrower

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Hoping all goes well for you in the love life brother.

As for Budder I have a been making it the same way for shit 15 or so years.

1st I run it threw ice bags.
After a run of ice hash I take all material and ice cubes, place all of it in crockpot with lb of butter. Leave covered on low overnight. Strain material and add water. Let cool, then just pop budder off the top. Killa stuff every time.
 

bigtacofarmer

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I save all my crumbs from rolling joints until I have enough to fill the crock pot. Then add a few jars of coconut butter. Every batch has a different combo of strains. And every batch is a surprise. Always works though. Sometimes halfway thru the next day.
 

unclefishstick

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i will be interested to see how the leds do for you...i have another led light coming tomorrow,this one built by ichabod crane...won another light from mars hydro so i have two of their lights...2 hlg 550 panels and i'm getting 3 far red initiator strips for those...may consider the uv-b light at some point...plan to get 2 more hlg panels before next summer...and now during free cooling season i'm adding traditional hps lamps as it gets cooler and cooler...by spring i should have a solid modular system of tents and lights so i can add or subtract spaces as the seasons change...
 

GOT_BUD?

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i will be interested to see how the leds do for you...i have another led light coming tomorrow,this one built by ichabod crane...won another light from mars hydro so i have two of their lights...2 hlg 550 panels and i'm getting 3 far red initiator strips for those...may consider the uv-b light at some point...plan to get 2 more hlg panels before next summer...and now during free cooling season i'm adding traditional hps lamps as it gets cooler and cooler...by spring i should have a solid modular system of tents and lights so i can add or subtract spaces as the seasons change...
Funny you mention the UV light.

Mine just arrived yesterday. :D

I rinsed my budder probably 5 or 6 times. Still tasted god awful.

Now I have heard the key to getting rid of the taste is to steep the buds in cold water for a week, changing it out daily. Supposedly once the water stops turning green, go ahead and make your budder. Then rinse the budder as you normally would.

When I made mine I used a pound of butter and an ounce of cured flower. It was plenty strong. But that taste would gag a maggot.
 

Zomboy

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Good to see you back frank. Your insights have been missed

Have you posted any pics of the Mochiesel yet? Sorry if i missed it. Interested to see what they look like. I know Compound genetics released a Mochi cross, Horchata, that is supposed to be pretty dank
 

CannaRed

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I hate the taste too! I threw away a bunch and dog got into it. At first I thought she had broken a hip because she couldn't walk. After what seemed like eternity I figured out what happened.
She slept for 39 hours. Groggy for ten more.

I figure it's easier to just add concentrate to the butter. No "grasshopper puke" taste.
 

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