I love how the people who didn't get this technique to work for them have shit to say. I can't root in rockwool worth shit, it would be like me telling growers, "you can only get 40% in rockwool" because that's what I got. Plain stupid.
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Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique?
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Right. My question was alluding to and asking about the idea that some leaves become sinks, rather than sources, of energy. Not exactly in line with what the defoliators here are talking about. Instead its been sort of a rigid application of pulling off fan leaves at certain intervals.
read: Don't defoliate this much! Instead of throwing these plants in the trash (didn't like the yield,) I decided to see what would happen if I take off nearly every single leaf. This is NOT what this thread is about, it's just for my own curiosity!
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This will be a ridiculous example. No one is advocating removing growth tips, half those plant stems have nothing left. That is less defoliation and more massacre. I know you posted Dont Do This, but thats like telling someone to not rubberneck the car/train accident.
If you remove both growth tips and fan leaves you are are guaranteed to do poorly.
My point exactly! Stack leaf upon leaf, how much penetration will you have? Remove some leaves, Voila...more penetration. Make sense or do you just have a bug up your ass and like to start shit?
I want to get the most out of a small area, how far is light going to penetrate if it is a Jungle? I want buds, not leaves. If you morons cannot get it through your thick skulls getting More Light to More Areas = More Bud
If you think more leaves is better that is cool, go start a thread about it. This thread is not for you. Have you ever felt unwanted? Because you are!
It's really not an example of anything except random "what ifs" I get when I'm high. What if I lower the pH to 2? or raise it to 10? or piss in the res?
I left 1 tiny leaf on one, removed ALL leaves and nodes on one, and kept a few nodes on the other.
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You seriously cant be taking yourself seriously can you?
You dont want me here because i challenge your warped reallity and it is physically painful for your pea brain to comprehend my words. So you would rather i just "go away"
Much the same as some American people just cannot consider for a second when someone tells them that no plane hit the pentagon. Or someone challenges some religious persons views.
I agree that the tucking a leaf out of the way to allow light to another leaf the is providing energy to a different bud site is beneficial for that particular site.
But that is not what you guys are saying at all!
By cutting off leaves you are reducing the surface area of the part of the plant that produces energy for the plant to grow.
You are reducing yeild. How you cannot comprehend this simple fact blows my mind and is what motivates me to post here.
If you remove a leaf to allow light to penetrate to another leaf that is under another but the surface area is still unchanged you still reduce yeild because you have removed stored energy from the plant.
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If you disagree with these two statements you obviously have some sort of mental deficiency and i honestly do wish you the best.
1. By cutting off leaves you are reducing the surface area of the part of the plant that produces energy for the plant to grow.
2. If you remove a leaf to allow light to penetrate to another leaf that is under another but the surface area is still unchanged you still reduce yeild because you have removed stored energy from the plant.
If you agree but cannot comprehend how this = Reduced yield
Then i have nothing left to say
1. By cutting off leaves you are reducing the surface area of the part of the plant that produces energy for the plant to grow.
2. If you remove a leaf to allow light to penetrate to another leaf that is under another but the surface area is still unchanged you still reduce yeild because you have removed stored energy from the plant.
If you agree but cannot comprehend how this = Reduced yield
Then i have nothing left to say
You have to be super retarded to look at the pics of the plants people grow using this technique and still think the fans are even remotely as important to bud protection as people claim.
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I havent kept up with this thread for a few days..
When I left, everyone was 'happy'.. but as in every good thread,
comes a PITA that wont go away...
Why not go start your own thread about how much defoliating
doesnt work and see how much activity you get..??!
You're looking for attention..
You arguing with your wife.. or maybe mother?
Grat...3ad>>> Youre acting like a kid..go somewhere else,
this is K33ftr33zs' thread.
Getting attention
I havent kept up with this thread for a few days..
When I left, everyone was 'happy'.. but as in every good thread,
comes a PITA that wont go away...
Why not go start your own thread about how much defoliating
doesnt work and see how much activity you get..??!
You're looking for attention..
You arguing with your wife.. or maybe mother?
Grat...3ad>>> Youre acting like a kid..go somewhere else,
this is K33ftr33zs' thread.
This seems to be a very heated argument but perhaps we should first break down the facts and then theorize.
1. Photosynthesis is a process that depends on light.
2. Chlorophyll allows plants to obtain energy from light. This green pigment is located inside cell structures called chloroplasts.
3. Chloroplasts are most highly concentrated in the leaves because they also have the largest surface area.
4. Leaves are specialized structures and their primary function is to photosynthesize. They are solar panels. The primary function of the floral structures is to produce seeds.
5. The total production of a plant depends on many things, like the availability of CO2, water, nutrients and light. This does not however change the fact that most of the photosynthetic activity takes place inside the leaves. Plants need leaves in order to function properly, which is also the reason why they are there in the first place. Nature does not waste.
Think of it this way. The plant is a factory and the factory is powered by solar energy. If you remove the solar panels, the factory can no longer operate at optimum efficiency. This reduces the overall production. It makes no difference if you provide the raw materials needed for the production because you do not have the energy to drive the machine.
The bottom line is that leaves serve two functions. During the vegetative stage, leaves produce the energy needed for growth. Some of this energy goes to the roots. When the leaves are removed, the plant suffers from a reduced capacity. In order to correct this problem the plant will grow more leaves. Some of the energy that is produced during the vegetative stage is stored in the leaves. When the plant starts flowering, it has to rely on that energy. The energy is then drawn from the leaves and relocated to the buds. This is why we see the yellowing of leaves during flowering. If the plant has little energy stored when it starts flowering, it will also have a hard time producing bud.
Sure, branches elongate when they are in the shade but it's not the buds that the plant is trying to push towards the light but the leaves. The floral structures are only responsible for a small fraction of the production, whereas the leaves have no other function.
The amount of bud is directly proportionate to plant mass.
More Leaves = More Energy = More Mass = More Bud
1. Photosynthesis is a process that depends on light.
2. Chlorophyll allows plants to obtain energy from light. This green pigment is located inside cell structures called chloroplasts.
3. Chloroplasts are most highly concentrated in the leaves because they also have the largest surface area.
4. Leaves are specialized structures and their primary function is to photosynthesize. They are solar panels. The primary function of the floral structures is to produce seeds.
5. The total production of a plant depends on many things, like the availability of CO2, water, nutrients and light. This does not however change the fact that most of the photosynthetic activity takes place inside the leaves. Plants need leaves in order to function properly, which is also the reason why they are there in the first place. Nature does not waste.
Think of it this way. The plant is a factory and the factory is powered by solar energy. If you remove the solar panels, the factory can no longer operate at optimum efficiency. This reduces the overall production. It makes no difference if you provide the raw materials needed for the production because you do not have the energy to drive the machine.
The bottom line is that leaves serve two functions. During the vegetative stage, leaves produce the energy needed for growth. Some of this energy goes to the roots. When the leaves are removed, the plant suffers from a reduced capacity. In order to correct this problem the plant will grow more leaves. Some of the energy that is produced during the vegetative stage is stored in the leaves. When the plant starts flowering, it has to rely on that energy. The energy is then drawn from the leaves and relocated to the buds. This is why we see the yellowing of leaves during flowering. If the plant has little energy stored when it starts flowering, it will also have a hard time producing bud.
Sure, branches elongate when they are in the shade but it's not the buds that the plant is trying to push towards the light but the leaves. The floral structures are only responsible for a small fraction of the production, whereas the leaves have no other function.
The amount of bud is directly proportionate to plant mass.
More Leaves = More Energy = More Mass = More Bud
Some people seem to lack basic reading comprehension skills, and read what I write as though the words meant different things than they do. I'm going to back out of this silly thread. Nothing I've said is wrong on any level. I never said anyone else was wrong, either. I just posted up some facts. Like I said over and over to the defensive person who refuses to get it, This technique might be useful as a bonsai technique in small gardens.
Regardless... bragging about how much light you have hitting the floor is funny.
Careful with those facts, Kodiak... they prefer imagination here.
Regardless... bragging about how much light you have hitting the floor is funny.
Careful with those facts, Kodiak... they prefer imagination here.
seems to be working well for me, i have reduced fan leaves by about 40% over the last week and the buds are popping well everywhere, i do however have 1 400w cmh and 1 400w hps in a cool tube in less than 1m2 so perhaps i have a plentiful amount of light.
strain dependant perhaps too? i'm growing psychosis and uk cheese which seem pretty hardy anyway :/
i started doing this by the way as my lack of height and space forced me to trim and bend.
strain dependant perhaps too? i'm growing psychosis and uk cheese which seem pretty hardy anyway :/
i started doing this by the way as my lack of height and space forced me to trim and bend.
When everybody mentions the bit about the leaves storring energy nobody ever mentions that we can replace it with the fertalizer.It may be wasteful,but we are getting something out of it.
So how to you explain why people get great yields doing this technique? Can't can you?
Not as simple as you make it sound.
I'm not sure how much of the energy from the fan leafs go directly into bud production. You don't either.
I'd guess that since people get great yields with this style that the leafs within the bud are more then enough.
They also don't talk shit about how that energy is transported and where it's used. For all I know most of the fan leafs energy is used for the stalk and not the bud.
Thank you, first good news all day.
Lemme rain on your parade for one more comment.
Ever notice how mother nature puts a fan leaf at the base of each bud? Think it is for decoration, or to feed the bud converted solar energy?
"more beer, less reading comprehension"--japanfreaky motto.
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why not try it on one plant and see if its beneficial at all yourselves rather than slating the idea without trying it...
sounds like non weed smokers and reefer madness with all this whining without actually experiencing.
i have done it and will post results when completed, i have taken pics throughout the grow... so we'll see how it all fairs.
sounds like non weed smokers and reefer madness with all this whining without actually experiencing.
i have done it and will post results when completed, i have taken pics throughout the grow... so we'll see how it all fairs.
I wanted to show some pics that I saw of this technique I saw at another site. The guy doing it had something like 100 plants and got monster yields. Unfortunately the same thing happened to that thread there that happened here, people gave the guy a hard time and harassed him despite his success because their egos couldn't handle it. The pics are no more.
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