Defoliation: Hi-Yield Technique?

[tokatronic]

How come when I walk onto ANY other thread on ICmag, I am greeted with kindness and information... EVEN if the technique does not work for me, I am guided kindly in the direction of success.

That is probably because you have been a real troll ass in this thread, and not in the others. I've read every bit of this thread and signed up to this forum just to tell you that you are pissing on this threads readers. A**!

This thread should be experience sharing, not a place for your ego-trip.

The only more idiotic I've read is the dumbasses that come in without having read anything and say: "Leafs are solarpanels, remove a leaf, remove energy. More leaf = more bud." But even they are better than you, because then they leave (except you and JWP and a couple of guys). Hopefully you will to.



But then again, being fed slowandeasy, who could blame you?

Kudos though to Dave Coulier who represents the firm disbelievers, but despite his views manage to do a discursion that doesn't fuck up the thread. Like that guy who hates defoliation but when it's called leaf-pruning it is totally ok.

Ah. With that being said, I'll just send a thanks to everybody that have contributed to this revitalising thread. It was a fantastic read until page 95, and some parts after that. Please continue sharing pics and experience, and then with time it'll become a technique as valued as another.

 

[Grat3fulh3ad]

Well... If you call an elephant a tiger I'll have a problem with it, but if you call it a pachyderm then it is ok.






don't you just love it when someone's "first" post is an attack on someone else? reeks of sock puppet.

 

[El Toker]

I've read every bit of this thread and signed up to this forum just to tell you that you are pissing on this threads readers.

lol, another person who just joined the forum to participate in this thread!
Why bother waiting for someone to back up your argument, when you can just pretend to be them?

This thread has to be the funniest thing on this forum.

Thanks for all the extra pictures of stringy, stretched plants after my last request. Can we have some more please?

 

[tokatronic]

Hehe, "sock puppet". I can assure this is the first user account I've ever had on a cannabis forum. Allthough in this case the date joined correspond with my level of experience (Had 5 plants in my bedroom as a kid, yielded next to nothing. But didn't know where to buy weed, but loved the plant. Now, my wife don't allow me to grow. Yes, I can assure you I am no sock puppet.)

 

[prowler]

Now, my wife don't allow me to grow.

There is so many ways to ditch a wife and so few to stop growing. I personally don't have to think twice which goes through the door first. Truly loved person loves you and is not telling you what not to do.

- sorry bout the off topic. Just had to mention that.

 

[huntingbb]

Well... If you call an elephant a tiger I'll have a problem with it, but if you call it a pachyderm then it is ok.






don't you just love it when someone's "first" post is an attack on someone else? reeks of sock puppet.

what if i call defoliation a short term for partial defoliation?

As in the act of defoliation is taking the leaves off, the partial only indicates the degree, the act is still the same.

Put up or shut up time?

OK, i'll put up so you can shut up. Thanks for teh neg rep, ive given you positive rep on your post directly after the one you took so personal (lol).

Putting up:

lesse: define:defoliation in google:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1484&bih=835&q=define%3Adefoliation&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Definitions of defoliation on the Web:

• the loss of foliage
• causing the leaves of trees and other plants to fall off (as by the use of chemicals)
  wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
• A defoliant is any chemical sprayed or dusted on plants to cause its leaves to fall off. A classic example of a highly toxic defoliant used for tactical purposes is Agent Orange, which was used widely by the U.S. military during the Vietnam War from 1961 to 1970.
  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defoliation
• The separation of ripened leaves from a branch or stem; the falling or shedding of the leaves
  en.wiktionary.org/wiki/defoliation
• defoliate - strip the leaves or branches from; "defoliate the trees with pesticides"
• defoliate - deprived of leaves
  wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
• defoliate - To remove foliage from one or more plants, most often with a chemical agent
  en.wiktionary.org/wiki/defoliate
• The loss of leaves and other photosynthetic plant structures. It can be due to natural causes (drought, disease), or deliberate by chemical or mechanical means.
  www.kokudzu.com/Glossary.html
• Loss of leaf. Defoliation can be:
  www.opbf.org/open-plant-breeding/glossary/d
• The attempt to eliminate enemy hideouts in jungles by using airplanes to spray the land with bio-chemical weapons
  library.thinkquest.org/C0129380/reference/glossary.html
• removal of foliage from plants, often by chewing insects
  insects.tamu.edu/ffa/senior/glossary.html
• defoliate - the removal of leaves off a tree.
  https://www.uwsp.edu/natres/nres743/Glossary.htm

now i'm sure thats just not good enough, so lets go a bit deeper down the rabbit hole:

https://www.uwsp.edu/natres/nres743/Glossary.htm
Defoliate - the removal of leaves off a tree.


http://www.opbf.org/open-plant-breeding/glossary/d
DefoliationLoss of leaf. Defoliation can be:1. natural, as with leaf-fall in a deciduous tree or shrub;2. pathologically induced by the activities of parasites;3. induced by the misuse of herbicides; or4. from abnormal environmental conditions, such as severe drought.http://www.crec.ifas.ufl.edu/academics/faculty/syvertsen/PDF/Yuan_etal_Defol_05_HS40_2011-15.pdf



Now if you cant take it thats your problem. But the term defoliation has been used consistently and correctly this entire thread - but not by you.

1. rocks
2. you kick em
3. ???
4. profit


@mods - this is on topic.

 

[JWP]

Show me where exaclty you FIMed this plant? Then talk to me

 

[dramamine]

You responded to Redspaghetti's posts without acknowledging the plants he's growing, which are really the point of the thread. Delta9 much earlier showed concise results of his well-documented rotating grow. On and on...

FIMing has nothing to do with this thread...this plant was FIMed at the 4th node which changed apical dominance of the plant, side branches became tops, blah blah blah. Is it ok that I grew my plants the way I grew them. Thank you.

Do you see the four tops that resulted from the FIMing?

 

[TruthOrLie]

yeah that is why i am working on it, hahaha they were all TOPPED@

this is the 2nd time i ran this strains, i am still LEARNING it

they dont need more lights you see how close the lights are ??? i am trying to make em stay short, if i give em more light they're just gonna go nuts

so its your 2nd time running the strain, but you KNOW that defoliation works for you on this strain? hmmmmmmm

and then you show over a dozen clones in your shower under cfl which have been topped and defoliated, yet you couldn't take just ONE clone and not defoliate it for comparison? wtf

 

[JWP]

Defoliation: Lets crank up the yield defoliation style..

 

[JWP]

A special defoliation project. 3 x 400w!!!!

 

[medmaker420]

just a note

I defoliated some and ended up with some powdery mildew on the parts I cut. I did cut in the middle between the leaf and the main stock so it wasn't too close to the main stock.

Only ones with it are the defoliated ones but I suppose it makes sense if your environment isn't 100%. Not going to be doing defoliation anytime soon. Anyone else get a rise in fuzz on the stems after defoliating or is it just me and this shitty weather?

 

[Bob-Hope]

Please dont start with the selective picture posts it makes you look dumb.

this picture you showed

looked like this 10 days later.

it then looked like this 18 days later

it was then put into flower and didnt have any leaf removed for another 25 days it then looked like this.

A little bit later it looked like this.

And when finished it looked like this.

Instead of posting crap why dont you give it a fair try, and then people may treat your comments and criticisms with a bit more respect.

ive tried it quite a few times now....

Have you.

 

[TruthOrLie]

Please dont start with the selective picture posts it makes you look dumb.

this picture you showed

looked like this 10 days later.

it then looked like this 18 days later

it was then put into flower and didnt have any leaf removed for another 25 days it then looked like this.

A little bit later it looked like this.

And when finished it looked like this.

Instead of posting crap why dont you give it a fair try, and then people may treat your comments and criticisms with a bit more respect.

ive tried it quite a few times now....

Have you.

And then the guy who posted that series of pictures states he can't help but wonder "what if" he had left the fan leaves...




So let me make sure I get this straight:

There is a secret art of defoliation...

Which only a few know...

But won't share...

Because its not really a science you can describe...

Just give it a try...

And keep reading...

About the art which is a science which one can not really describe. Just give it a try.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

[redspaghetti]

hahaha these people are fucking weak,,,,,


you go around and pick on new people that just started and post their pictures of what just started ..... fucking weak, if you really interested in learning, ask and someone might teach you the right way to do it.


im a fucking newb and if i can get this down anyone can get this down, the key is time and practice,,,

you really cant fix stupid here

 

[Bob-Hope]

There is never any thing wrong with wondering "what if".

Thats how things move on buddy.

Like i said before its just 1 of many techniques, and its one im not to comfortable with but thats only because ive tried it and made an educated decision.

I hope you can do the same and then either contribute something to the thread or like myself just have a look and leave everybody to it.

BoB

 

[redspaghetti]

Here's a top tip for anyone who's forgotten to defoliate. At harvest get exactly the same results by stripping off all the leaves and about 3/4 of the bud and putting it in the bin.

Props to jwp for the best two posts in the thread.

so let me see if i get this right


you and JWP, you guys are like master of growing coming in this thread and act like you guys know it all ....


well let me ask you this

when you first started growing, did your plants look like they are now?

when you first harvest your buds, did your buds look like what they are now ?

when you smoke your buds that you grew for the first time, did it taste like the bud you grew now ??/




Every thing take time and practices, no one is gonna get perfect result the first try

you should be nice and help the new people that fucked up instead of pick on them and talk shit


you both need to post some pics and result other wise you need to get out of this thread because you're only ruin it for the people that are really interested!

 

[Fo20Blazerrr]

forget em Red, you really have a good heart and try to help and we could see it. Forget these little kid and nit picker, they're good for only trolling and creating fights among community,


Give me some neg rep too kids ...

FO20.

 

[TrichyTrichy]

^^^ agreed

 

[Boerman]

I dont even know why I bother to respond to you.

Not to worry, I had already decided that this would be my last post wasted on you since you are clearly comfortable in your ignorance.


All you do is talk out of your ass and backtrack on what you have said.

I stated early on that these were my observations and I was not claiming that they are proven fact. I gave some of the reasons why I believed them to be true. You, on the other hand, have made mostly gratuitous assertions without any supporting evidence. We all know that the physical appearance of a leaf can indicate health problems in the plant. But you think that YOU can look at a leaf and YOU can see what level of photosynthesis is going on and where the products of that photosynthesis is going. If your bigass fan leaves are doing so much for the buds, then why do the buds even have leaves? I haven't backtracked on a single thing. I did try to help you overcome your poor reading comprehension by explaining that my mention of stored nutrients was in the context of stating that a nearly dormant leaf still has useful functions. It had nothing to do with quantity, quality or variety of stored nutrients and everything to do with the utility of the leaf. The fact that you still don't get that even when it is plainly stated shows how lacking in substance your arguments are.


You throw a few insults my way, yet I have not insulted you.

Your very first sentence to me: "Your logic is quite twisted there".

The reason the plant uses resources from the oldest leaves has to do with Apical Dominance.

Wow! Now who's talking out of his ass? OK, genius, how about you explaining to us what a top bud's suppression of lower buds by production of auxin has to do with determining which leaves are used to supply nutrients to address deficiencies. Talk about your twisted logic.

It would be beyond stupid for the plant to draw nutrients from the newer leaves to feed new growth.

Yes, but you don't seem to have a problem with "stupid".

It will draw nutrients from the leaves that are the least useful, but it does not mean they are useless. Do you understand that? A plant can retain all of its fan leaves if it is kept perfectly healthy.

I didn't say they are useless. I said that they have different functions at different stages of their life. Do you understand that? Sure, a plant can retain all of its fan leaves if it is kept perfectly healthy. But that doesn't mean that they are all doing the same thing. A leaf that is not contributing photosynthetic production to the rest of the plant, but is also not a drain, can still store lots of goodies, just in case they are needed. Pruning that leaf will allow more light to leaves that are still productive. But it also reduces the resources available to tread nutrient deficiencies.

Now, wtf does fan leaves have to do with THC and smoking them? Do you have to make such huge jumps in your reasoning just so that you can criticize me?

Don't blame me. It's your logic.

Dont expect me to respond to any more of your posts. Im tired of arguing with you.

Why would I even want you to respond? You are too much of a lightweight for me to waste my time on you.

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