Deep Stoner Thoughts

[White Beard]

Why is it that sometimes, when you’ve been doing exploration or introspection or meditation or some such, you’ll get a real AHA! moment, realize this is going to change *everything*...your attention will suddenly get snagged and the thing that would change everything is gone?

 

[White Beard]

Are we going through a period of rapid evolution triggered by increase in post-Manhattan background radiation and intensified by the accelerating manipulation of electromagnetism?

Or are we seeing a shift in dominance between right and left brain hemispheres, perhaps in response to different stimuli, or not?

What does recent research into brain injury tell us about ourselves in the context of how hemisphere dominance affects what our brains let us see?

 

[moose eater]

Why is it that sometimes, when you’ve been doing exploration or introspection or meditation or some such, you’ll get a real AHA! moment, realize this is going to change *everything*...your attention will suddenly get snagged and the thing that would change everything is gone?

Yep, I did acid that was like that, too...

 

[White Beard]

I had a series of those moments on acid once...didn’t get distracted...changed everything

 

[Teddybrae]

How might our personal effectiveness increase if we were aware of our Instincts before we acted them out?

 

[CannaRed]

Yep, I did acid that was like that, too...

I must need to double or triple up

 

[Teddybrae]

Did you know body language experts can see shifts between hemispheres by observing eye movements? Research "Frogs into Princes", Bandler and Grinder. They have this explanatory diagram ...
But for me, no. Things just go round and round. Cyclic. The Way of Tao; the Wheel of Karma/Desire; the Dance of Maya; "There's nothing new under the sun" (Bible).

Are we going through a period of rapid evolution triggered by increase in post-Manhattan background radiation and intensified by the accelerating manipulation of electromagnetism?

Or are we seeing a shift in dominance between right and left brain hemispheres, perhaps in response to different stimuli, or not?

What does recent research into brain injury tell us about ourselves in the context of how hemisphere dominance affects what our brains let us see?

 

[White Beard]

I did know that, neuroscience isn’t one of my big hot buttons so I don’t know much, but familiar w/NLP, know it has some powerful stuff, but it also has an abuse side. My interests derive more from the therapeutic / personal autonomy side. I’m still inclined to be careful with it.

Much like unto a Taoist myself...among other things...mos’ def the chop wood, carry water, listen-to-the-wind kinda guy (I try to be, no one’s perfect) by nature and preference.

Philosophy don’t grow corn, as a wise one said...if your philosophy *does* grow corn, you must be a wise one. Reality is what bites your ass when your map is bad or directions are wrong.

 

[White Beard]

I must need to double or triple up

An ‘official’ pychedelic dose was 250mcg for an 80-90kg adult body or about 3mcg/kg, supposedly this was enough to turn on all the effects, but I dunno.

What I get represents as 100mcg each, for me a bit sparkly but not so much psychedelia; for the same body weight, that works out to a little over 1mcg/kg. Anymore I start with two, for ~2.45mcg/kg - and usually I’m good

 

[White Beard]

How might our personal effectiveness increase if we were aware of our Instincts before we acted them out?

Very positively?

If we *are* aware of our instincts, we can choose whether to act them out, or not. Lizard brain is clear and direct but lousy company and a rotten roommate.

This would give us the ability to mitigate said instincts, to approach getting our needs met in ways that don’t directly challenge the same instincts in others. Fortunately, we have instincts for interaction and cooperation, for kindness and comfort, as well as our less-shiny qualities

 

[moose eater]

An ‘official’ pychedelic dose was 250mcg for an 80-90kg adult body or about 3mcg/kg, supposedly this was enough to turn on all the effects, but I dunno.

What I get represents as 100mcg each, for me a bit sparkly but not so much psychedelia; for the same body weight, that works out to a little over 1mcg/kg. Anymore I start with two, for ~2.45mcg/kg - and usually I’m good

Yep, in the 70s and 80s, a relatively standard dose was ~250 mcg. A 4-way was ~ 1,000 mcg. Age, storage method, etc., could apparently affect outcomes/quality, too.

Once ate 2/3 of some very fresh (3-day old) brown window pane at work while on probation. It had been brought back to NW Pennsylvania from Boston by two brothers, both of whom died long ago.

Stuff grew on walls that evening, in multi-colors, then diminished, and more grew in its place. I was afraid to walk, for fear of falling down and not being able to get back up, which seemed to annoy my boss.

Being yelled at on serious dosage was unsettling. Had what may be the only hallucination or observation that night wherein, to this day, I'm unsure of what part of what I saw was real, and what part was not. But it was a definite 'either-or' moment.

Moved right on past that conundrum, and didn't let it weigh me down.
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Couple years later (1975) I ate 4 purple barrel the night before the place I was staying in the mid-west got raided; was working on being able to speak properly when I was notified the cops were at the door.

That badge seemed unnecessarily bright in the sun.
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These days, from what I'm led to believe, 100 to 150 mcg is a common dose in blotter. And they're paying way more for it than what we did in 1972-1985. I ate some a while ago from a stash that was gifted to me, and it was definitely not the same 'astral plain.'

 

[Weezard]

1969, Sunshine, Orange.


The real deal. A brain changer.

 

[Hermanthegerman]

America isn´t a state.

 

[Hermanthegerman]

 

[Stoner4Life]

 

[Teddybrae]

You'd know then that all this writing and philosophizing is 'left brain'.

And you left out Time. The idea that it's Linear. That Mankind is advancing toward a bright future. (Sorta like what the religious thought a Crusade should do, eh? Or Fascists thought another War should do.)

Why isn't the idea that we are advancing toward a bright future properly named, called out, as an avoidant idea, and it's faithful named deny-ers?

If Mankind is capable of a bright future why isn't Mankind doing it?

I did know that, neuroscience isn’t one of my big hot buttons so I don’t know much, but familiar w/NLP, know it has some powerful stuff, but it also has an abuse side. My interests derive more from the therapeutic / personal autonomy side. I’m still inclined to be careful with it.

Much like unto a Taoist myself...among other things...mos’ def the chop wood, carry water, listen-to-the-wind kinda guy (I try to be, no one’s perfect) by nature and preference.

Philosophy don’t grow corn, as a wise one said...if your philosophy *does* grow corn, you must be a wise one. Reality is what bites your ass when your map is bad or directions are wrong.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

If Mankind is capable of a bright future why isn't Mankind doing it?

We are still too mired in our tribal past - and are not evolving collectively as one race - the human race - so we are fractionated - when we should all be working together.

 

[Chevy cHaze]

imagine if, one day, we all wouldn't define ourselves by what we're against anymore, but by what we are actually for

 

[St. Phatty]

If Mankind is capable of a bright future why isn't Mankind doing it?

Unhealthy influences related to Massive Greed cause groups of people who might have an average IQ of 120+ to behave as if their group IQ is 60, if that.

Including everywhere - including Silicon Valley.

They talk about cute species like the Spotted Owl being endangered, related to habitat.

But when Habitat for the Human Species is concerned ... not so much.

If we "walked our walk", you'd be able to rent a junior one bedroom (studio with big closet & separate kitchen) for $500 a month - as a matter of pride.

They can make IC's with over a trillion transistors, but affordable housing for these strange animals called humans ... not so much.

 

[White Beard]

You'd know then that all this writing and philosophizing is 'left brain'.

And you left out Time. The idea that it's Linear. That Mankind is advancing toward a bright future. (Sorta like what the religious thought a Crusade should do, eh? Or Fascists thought another War should do.)

I see where you’re coming from, Teddy...hope I’m up to the challenge: big-picture stuff, they’ve learned, is invisible to the left hemisphere...which would make philosophy complicated by trying to get the left-hemisphere to play along...writing, being almost entirely big-picture, would be ‘designed’ to make use of left-side skills for right-side purposes...which IMO is why writing and talking in a linear fashion can get off track, lead to confusion...which brings us to time.

So: bear with me, please. Time tracks sequences, time is the sequential experience of duration...which would make “time” a left-side phenomenon to keep events in sequence. Because we experience events sequentially, even when they are generally simultaneous across a given population, we need the framework for distinguishing things like causality and consequence...which makes the linearity an illusion

The BELIEF, OTOH, that we are headed toward a brighter future is not at all the same as the belief that we are DESTINED for something we can neither seen nor comprehend...that “destiny” is not a property of nature, nor of science, it is a stick used to affect others in the current moment. Christianity has proven conclusively that there can never be enough blame, enough excoriation, enough executions, enough ‘bad examples’, enough application of the stick, enough “moral incarceration, to make everyone get in line behind a notion and stay there.

Doesn’t matter if it’s hell on earth or kingdom come, if we can’t experience them ourselves, there’s not much way to convince us, except by the means we continually see used: war, violence, fear, carefully-crafted bullshit, guilt trips, anger, fear, difference, fear, anger, alarm...

We will never reach any kind of better tomorrow until we learn how to identify those who want to force others, and stop them.

Why isn't the idea that we are advancing toward a bright future properly named, called out, as an avoidant idea, and it's faithful named deny-ers?

Umm, because they’ve been controlling law, punishment, theory, philosophy, government, behavior, even *understanding itself* for their own dominance and continued supremacy very actively for most if not all of the last 2000 years. They are very numerous, extremely disturbed, easily led (if you know how), in positions of power and influence (where they’ve been all along), and they have great influence on those they influence at all.

While they are overwhelmed by sheer numbers, they excel at bullying and intimidation of every type - things most mammals want *none* of - and bribery, from the usual ‘commercial’ quid pro quo to the “glory awaits after death if you’re obedient while you’re alive” thuggery of monotheistic religion itself.

These things can be named, and they can be opposed, but they’re contagious and deadly, too. No joke. From the left-side perspective, Pascal’s Wager makes sense: no matter what kind of belief you have or don’t have, going through the motions *of* a belief is “playing it safe” when the stakes are eternal life either in cities of golden song or pits of torments and misery...but it’s not a moral position, it’s saying yes to the $2 extended warranty....

If Mankind is capable of a bright future why isn't Mankind doing it?

Because too many of us still believe that the only way out of the hell we live in is thru obedience to stories that flatly tell us we can’t understand and shouldn’t try...and they war against each other mercilessly as to WHAT to obey and to what extremity, and to what punishments. Hell, people get more punishment when they seem insufficiently grateful for slightly milder punishment, every day.

We aren’t doing it yet because we can’t yet see that it IS that simple: even if we want to get beyond the fight to the fixing, we still [[[collectively]]] feel the struggle in us and around us, we feel the fighting, and we believe in the fight, we believe we have to win to get past the fight. The fight is every day, unless you’re exceptional or in exceptional circumstances...for some folks, that - and the longing for it to all be OVER - is normal daily life for far too many people.

This is where it gets me interested in possible evolutionary angles...but I’ll stop here. I think too much, write too much, have been alive too much it sometimes seems. Good place for a break, at least.