Dark Mission: NASA's dirty little secret.

[Babombeez]

OK, then I misunderstood you on that point. I apologize for that. But you have to understand that because Mars has no atmosphere, it is subject to very harsh solar winds that erode the surface. The surface rocks aren't as dense as it is here on Earth. So yes, what I'm saying is that there is that much dust there so close to the surface because Mars has no atmosphere, else you wouldn't see that many craters either. In either picture, do you see any water or trees? As you may know, dirt is not "alive", so it looks like a "dead" planet either way. I don't understand what you're trying to say - that NASA would try to "fake a dead planet" by switching photos? That's absurd. Why would they even post the "faked" photo if they were desparately hiding secrets?

Also, trying to fake a "dead planet" look on Mars by "adding dust" would seem to be a moot point since NASA and other space agencies have posted pictures that would show otherwise. As you can see here, a photo of a wide shot of the beautiful Martian atmosphere: apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap960207.html. And here: http://mpfwww.jpl.nasa.gov/MPF/martianchronicle/martianchron2/issue2images/viking1panorama.jpeg. And here: http://media.skyandtelescope.com/images/Mars-Twil-Peaks1_l.jpg.

First of all, Mars does indeed have an atmosphere...

Second of all, I never said NASA "adds dust.".... what are you talking about!? Thanks for posting those pics by the way, they are beautiful...

I am showing you how many pictures that NASA says are in "true color" appear to be the ones in "false color," like they are trying to dramatize the reddish, dreary skies and make you think there could be no life on Mars, especially microbial life...

Excerpt taken from article: www.spacedaily.com

"In 1976 the twin Viking Lander spacecraft touched down on the surface of Mars and began the first ever, search for extraterrestrial life. Onboard where three miniaturized biology laboratories each with a unique focus on how to look for microbial life on Mars. Of the three biology instruments on each Viking Lander, the Labeled Release experiment designed by Dr. Gilbert V. Levin, obtained intriguing results that Levin says is consistent with microbial metabolism. Levin and his Viking co-experimenter, Dr. Patricia Ann Straat, submitted a number of peer reviewed scientific papers on their findings to prestigious science journals such as ICARUS, SCIENCE, and the JOURNAL OF GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH.

However, because another instrument aboard the Viking Landers was designed to detect organic molecules and found none on Mars, it was announced publicly by the Viking Project scientist, Dr. Gerald Soffen, that the Viking biology experiments could not have found life.

Soffen is often quoted as having said, "That's the ball game. No organics on Mars, no life on Mars." [how typical of NASA]

The events that unfolded after Soffen's public announcement would eventually alter the course of the NASA Mars Exploration program. Instead of focusing on a further search for extant life on Mars, the program was being prepped for the ultimate goal of sending humans and returning Martian soil samples considered sterile, directly to the Earth.

A number of NASA spacecraft have been sent to Mars in the years that intervened since Viking, but none have focused on trying to resolve the important issue of life (See Barry E. DiGregorio's SpaceDaily article "The Need For Mars Mission Exobiologists").

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So anyways I have gotten off topic a little bit, just trying to show how I think NASA has been altering their pictures a bit to exaggerate the "lifelessness" of the Martian surface...

SO back to the moon!


Beez

 

[Guest]

SO back to the moon!


Beez

Is this the part where you click your heels three times and say "There's no place like home!"

 

[Rastatrue]

Hey Now, I grew up watching the Space program. What did Neil Armstrong say about a small step for man..... Well, business got alot of new technology, greater efficency,and alot of people lost their jobs. U.S. taxpayers got screwed again. Government paid for the research and private corporations made a big profit.

Not another dime for space, let start taking care of the human race! And leave the Man in the Moon alone!

 

[Pops]

IMO, it is essential for mankind to begin exploring space,in order to survive. Eventually, we will go the way of tens of thousands of other species and become extinct. Either an asteroid will once again collide with earth or the super volcano under Yellowstone Park will erupt and kill us all. The last one on Sumatra left only about 10,000 humans alive 60,000 years ago.

While we do not now have the technology to terraform uninhabitable planets like Mars or Venus, we may one day achieve that technology. The quest for space brings about better understanding of our origins and causes technology to leapfrog ahead. I believe that only this will keep man from going the way of the dinosaur. I certainly won't see it in my lifetime, but my descendants may.

 

[PhenoMenal]

hey where did all of Stoned2Deaths posts go? there was a lot of amusing propaganda there that made a lot of people here laugh

 

[genkisan]

hey where did all of Stoned2Deaths posts go? there was a lot of amusing propaganda there that made a lot of people here laugh

He has gotten from the mods what has been coming to him fer a long time.

 

[Pops]

He posted last yesterday, but you cannot access any of his posts. They seem to have disappeared. He was O.K. as long as kept his conversation to growing.

 

[Guest]

Pops just because the guy knew how to grow erb didn't make him any less of an offensive lunatic.I found his shit unusual and somewhat humorous for about as day.After a few weeks of him infecting every thread with lunacy the shit got old.And when people advocate that mods and staff track my IP that is not O.K. Pops.I've been a pain in the ass a couple times myself man but If I ever get like that,please shoot me Pops.

 

[SmokeyPufmaster]

Mods have no access to the inner workings of this website. I cannot track, log, look at, anybodys information. So you are safe from Mods.

But I understand your thoughts.

 

[Guest]

I didn't think so,but just the thought of a grower wanting anothers growers personal info because they have a bone to pick is about as crazy as you can get.Those conspiracy websites should be mandated to display warnings describing possible mental abberations associated with participating in them.People get too damned carried away!

 

[Guest]

I'm still here idiots. My posts are too. Funny how the ****in circus goes on even when you think I'm gone. The lunacy comes from you idiots trying to cover up everything under the sun and outright attacking anyone that doesn't agree with you.

As far as me wanting growers personal info. I didn't want any of it. I said the mods should check where the IP addresses come from, and yes they can do that. Maybe not all mods, but the sight owners for sure can. I guarantee it would be quite telling to see where they all originate from.

I think the mods should do something about people who have contributed SHIT to these forums besides personal attacks. Smokey, I don't know why you keep supporting these guys with posts like that.

What's funny is I get a lot of support from regular members that actually grow. There is only the one little group that wants to attack me because I spit TRUTH.

You refuse to argue a point with me, then don't talk shit.

 

[Guest]

Smokey, let me add this. I have repeatedly been attacked by all these non-growers and their little support group. Is ICMAG just going to let the agents run a muck around here talking shit about the people who actually CONTRIBUTE something? Is it ICMAG's policy to ignore all the blatant personal attacks and side with the people doing it?

Read the forums. Read my posts. I almost always argue a point. These guys always outright attack me and many others.

I have straight up challenged them numerous times to argue any point I've made and they won't. I've straight challenged them to PM me for an argument, and even PM'd all of them. No reply.

Smokey, if you and anyone else doesn't see what's going on here then you're just turning ICMAG into a circus. What's funny is back on OG these guys would have been eaten alive. Here on ICMAG, the mods "understand their thoughts", even though those "thoughts" are based on a lie. Some chump puts words in my mouth saying I want people's personal info. Straight up lie. I said the mods should check their IP addresses because I bet most originate from the same block or a govt IP address. THAT is what I said.

Yup. I'm the crazy one, but you've got guys like The American, Trouble, Phenomenal, Genkisan, HC Smyth, Nubie Biatch, newbiegrow that work as a team slandering me left and right. Look above. Phenomenal couldn't resist putting my name in his mouth again. Then his little crew comes in backing him up with more attacks, and even outright lies and putting words in my mouth. Yet you "understand their thoughts"......I don't think you're understanding this at all.

 

[Nubie Biatch]

He took every opportunity to post something extremely offensive. I'm not one to piss and moan normally, but he enjoyed flinging crap too much. He's like a rabid dog, someone just needs to do the humane thing and put him down for good.

I'm not going to the Libertarian website to share my cannabis growing experience with people there just because we share similar political views. Why should an outspoken bigot be allowed to come here and share his racist preachings just because he likes to grow cannabis like us?

His abilities to grow have no bearing on the fact that he has become an undeniably offensive troll that steers every conversation towards his agenda. There are plenty of people before him that were able to grow cannabis successfully, yet they overstepped the bounds of civility and were banned accordingly.

Stoned2Death has been asking for this for a long time. He kept pushing harder every time to see what else he could get away with. He has effectively offended a fair number of people while amusing most others with his abhorrent behavior.

It appears he is only being warned at the moment, but unless he experiences a major life change, he will merit banning as soon as he opens his mouth again.

 

[Guest]

Here's Nubie Biatch. See what I said Smokey? Are you watching?

The only reason anything I post would be offensive is if you benefit from the LIES I expose. Plain and simple.

I love how you state "he will merit banning as soon as he opens his mouth again" as if you're trying to plant a thought in a mods head. You've been PUSHING this ban deal since the day you arrived. It's not working because you're full of shit.

I'm being warned? I haven't had the first warning. I am warning the community about you and your little clique though.

Why won't you reply to my PM Nubie Biatch? How about The American? How bout newbiegrow?

See, they won't tell you I've taken it to PM with them all. The only reason to silence me is I'm am talking truth. You never touch the topic, only my character and this "ban" idea of yours.

ICMAG is turning into a circus with this little crew. I'm sure the mods are quite aware too.

 

[Guest]

Here's what is really going on:

Fallacy: Personal Attack



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Also Known as: Ad Hominem Abusive.

Description of Personal Attack
A personal attack is committed when a person substitutes abusive remarks for evidence when attacking another person's claim or claims. This line of "reasoning" is fallacious because the attack is directed at the person making the claim and not the claim itself. The truth value of a claim is independent of the person making the claim. After all, no matter how repugnant an individual might be, he or she can still make true claims.

Not all ad Hominems are fallacious. In some cases, an individual's characteristics can have a bearing on the question of the veracity of her claims. For example, if someone is shown to be a pathological liar, then what he says can be considered to be unreliable. However, such attacks are weak, since even pathological liars might speak the truth on occasion.

In general, it is best to focus one's attention on the content of the claim and not on who made the claim. It is the content that determines the truth of the claim and not the characteristics of the person making the claim.

Examples of Personal Attack

In a school debate, Bill claims that the President's economic plan is unrealistic. His opponent, a professor, retorts by saying "the freshman has his facts wrong."

"This theory about a potential cure for cancer has been introduced by a doctor who is a known lesbian feminist. I don't see why we should extend an invitation for her to speak at the World Conference on Cancer."

"Bill says that we should give tax breaks to companies. But he is untrustworthy, so it must be wrong to do that."

"That claim cannot be true. Dave believes it, and we know how morally repulsive he is."

"Bill claims that Jane would be a good treasurer. However I find Bill's behavior offensive, so I'm not going to vote for Jill."

"Jane says that drug use is morally wrong, but she is just a goody-two shoes Christian, so we don't have to listen to her."

Bill: "I don't think it is a good idea to cut social programs."
Jill: "Why not?"
Bill: "Well, many people do not get a fair start in life and hence need some help. After all, some people have wealthy parents and have it fairly easy. Others are born into poverty and..."
Jill: "You just say that stuff because you have a soft heart and an equally soft head."

 

[newbgrow]

First of all, Mars does indeed have an atmosphere...

Thank you. Pops already corrected me on that.

Second of all, I never said NASA "adds dust.".... what are you talking about!? Thanks for posting those pics by the way, they are beautiful...

I am showing you how many pictures that NASA says are in "true color" appear to be the ones in "false color," like they are trying to dramatize the reddish, dreary skies and make you think there could be no life on Mars, especially microbial life...

In your previous post, you criticized the amount of dust in the Martian atmosphere in photos you've seen, so you cannot deny "dust" was part of your reasoning, even if you did not say the exact words "adds dust..." You have said time and time again that NASA was trying to give the impression of "no life" by making reddish, low contrast photos; however, the pictures I've posted from the NASA domain directly contradicts what you were saying. In the first pic, they admitted Mars had reddish rocks, but a greenish tinge in the sky. Whatever they were "dramatizing" obviously isn't very well orchestrated. Even after all this it's moot point, because

Both pictures show no life whatsoever. High contrast photographs do not make life. Water does. Both pictures show dry land and no signs of life at all. Your theory of NASA trying to hide life is a stretch at best, absolutely ridiculous at worst.

 

[Guest]

I swear I've spent some time trying to understand what NASA's motivation could possibly be to distort pics but now I get it.Doesn't make it any less ridiculous but at least now I understand the reasoning.If they found life couldn't they just post undistorted pics of uninhabited areas.Like uninhabited Martian state parks?Or undeveloped Martian wildlife preserves?Sorry to sound ridiculous just keeping my responses on the same level of the assumptions..

 

[Guest]

No, you're just being purposely ridiculous.

 

[Guest]

S2D in case you're unaware,you are the only one that can see your replies apparently.I hate to see you keep wasting your time.

 

[Guest]

Gee...now why would that be the case? Seems the disinfo agents have some mods in their pocket.