Dark Mission: NASA's dirty little secret.

[HCSmyth]

I think a poll or a couple of polls on various conspiracies would be interesting here on ICMAG.

And yes, if you think the moon landings were faked it is a conspiracy theory (Conspiracy theory: a theory that is highly, highly unlikely at best, to be true).

It is hard to imagine if you are old and thus were alive during the moon landings that they were faked (i.e. Pops). The fact is tens of thousands of people were involved in the lunar programs and no one, with any credible smoking gun evidence that a "reasonable person" would buy as plausible has ever been presented.

What you do have is spoiled, little, attention whores, who present highly flawed and fallacious information that they pawn off as "evidence" to make themselves appear/feel important. It is so freaking funny that some of the same "crew" on ICMAG got bored with the 9/11 conspiracy so they moved on to an older conspiracy the "faked moon landings". What a freaking joke!

 

[trouble]

As I stated earlier, if there were photographs of the nature you and Johnson suggest, they would be so highly classified that Johnson would be arrested immediately after it was discovered that he had stolen government documents. The article mentioned low quality,grainy photographs which are the easiest to forge or doctor. Great evidence. I spent 4 years in military intelligence with a Top Secret Crypto clearance. Long enough to discover that the government does not take kindly to people stealing classified documents. I don't believe a word of his story and I don't even have to see his phony pictures. You seem to be willing to believe anything. You have now posted 5 controversial threads( NASA's Dirty Secrets,The End of the World,Origin of religion, 9/11-The truth and X-files-UFOs,Aliens,anti-gravity.) Either you are one of the most gullible people I have seen or you have a mad desire to stir up shit. You invite discussion, but only want folks to agree with you.

Just because I am old and set in my ways doesn't mean that I turned stupid when I turned 30.

Pop's, I told Bezz the same thing several pages back about Johnson, that he would have had to steal the photos and if they were legit would be sitting in jail right now facing serious charges. Bezz knows no logic or common sense.

Bezz wants everyone to believe that he's well educated on the subject of his threads when in fact he doesnt even know 3rd grade US history. On the 9/11 conspiracy thread he told everyone that it was a fact that George Bush Sr. was the longest running director of the CIA before becoming President and withheld secret documents about UFO's from several presidents including Carter & Clinton. When in fact a 3rd grader would know that George Bush Sr. was only director of the CIA for less then a year which may make him one of the shortest directors of the CIA in history and only served under one president and it wasnt Carter or Clinton. Carter wasnt even in office at the time and Clinton wasnt even the Gov. of Arkansas yet let alone president.

Thats why these types of conpiracy web-sites are so dangerous for people like Bezz who already buy into the message their promoting and dont bother checking anything they say. It must be a fact because I seen it on some high school drop-outs conspiracy web-site, therefore, it must be true.




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[Pops]

Trouble, I am just overwhelmed with the scientific knowledge that this 21 year old Religious studies major has gathered ,even before he has gotten his B.A. I know one day he will start a church and preach religious bullshit,along with sharing the benefits of incredible alien technology gained by channeling. I just wish that somehow I could shed the 90 points of I.Q. necessary to join his church, along with that learned scientist, S2D.

 

[trouble]

Trouble, I am just overwhelmed with the scientific knowledge that this 21 year old Religious studies major has gathered ,even before he has gotten his B.A. I know one day he will start a church and preach religious bullshit,along with sharing the benefits of incredible alien technology gained by channeling. I just wish that somehow I could shed the 90 points of I.Q. necessary to join his church, along with that learned scientist, S2D.

Pop's, unfortunately, if you give most of these kids today a penny for their thoughts you get back change.


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[newbgrow]

It says so right in the original NASA charter:

'Sec. 305...(i) The [National Aeronautics and Space] Administration shall be considered a defense agency of the United States for the purpose of Chapter 17, Title 35 of the United States code...'

Clearly , from this and other security provisions incorporated in the Act, what the Congress, the press and the American taxpayers get to see of NASA's ultimate activities-- including untouched images and data regarding what's REALLY on the moon, on Mars, or anywhere else across the solar system-- is totally dependent on whether the President of the United States (and/or his legal surrogates in the Department of Defense and the 'intelligence' community) has already secretly classified thaht data.

Title 35, Chapter 17 of the United States Code is summarized: SECRECY OF CERTAIN INVENTIONS AND FILING APPLICATIONS IN FOREIGN COUNTRY.

This passage does not suggest the classification of data, as you suggest, but merely the licensing of patents for certain inventions in foreign countries, and the penalty for failure to license.

It's interesting how you say, "from this and other security provisions incorporated in the Act". Pray tell, what might these "other" security provisions be?

Section 305 of the NASA Charter, titled "Property Rights in Inventions", suggests that all inventions and data from NASA is the US Government's property, and must be held responsible for by the Administrator.

However, if you look at Section 203, titled "Functions of the Administration", it clearly states the purpose of the Administrator as such: "The Administration, in order to carry out the purpose of this Act, shall -- ... (2) arrange for participation by the scientific community in planning scientific measurements and observations to be made through use of aeronautical and space vehicles, and conduct or arrange for the conduct of such measurements and observations;
(3) provide for the widest practicable and appropriate dissemination of information concerning its activities and the results thereof;"

The President is only allowed to transfer and classify information in NASA with the full approval of the Congress, as long as he provides a copy of such request to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the Senate.

For more information, see: http://www.nasa.gov/offices/ogc/about/space_act1.html#PROPERTY%20RIGHTS

For proof that NASA is not a part of the Department of Defense, and is not controlled by the DOD, see: http://www.loc.gov/rr/news/fedgov.html

 

[newbgrow]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_C._Hoagland

"The Old Navy Stores are tied in with secret societies and coverups. Hoagland stated this on a Coast to Coast AM show one evening."

Watch out for Old Navy guys!

 

[Babombeez]

It is funny how you all point the finger but really all you can seem to do is dish out personal attacks.

You seem to act like you know quite a lot Pops, and then you won't even examine his photograps... what are you afraid of?

So anyways, I finally picked up the book and I will judge the pictures and evidence for myself.

I finally understand something. All of those in here who are nasty to people, and are rude, and condescending, making it personal, attacking my character, yada yada yada, but guess what... you are completely miserable... have fun, bathing in your own negativity. Suckers.

Beez

 

[Babombeez]

Title 35, Chapter 17 of the United States Code is summarized: SECRECY OF CERTAIN INVENTIONS AND FILING APPLICATIONS IN FOREIGN COUNTRY.

This passage does not suggest the classification of data, as you suggest, but merely the licensing of patents for certain inventions in foreign countries, and the penalty for failure to license.

It's interesting how you say, "from this and other security provisions incorporated in the Act". Pray tell, what might these "other" security provisions be?

Section 305 of the NASA Charter, titled "Property Rights in Inventions", suggests that all inventions and data from NASA is the US Government's property, and must be held responsible for by the Administrator.

However, if you look at Section 203, titled "Functions of the Administration", it clearly states the purpose of the Administrator as such: "The Administration, in order to carry out the purpose of this Act, shall -- ... (2) arrange for participation by the scientific community in planning scientific measurements and observations to be made through use of aeronautical and space vehicles, and conduct or arrange for the conduct of such measurements and observations;
(3) provide for the widest practicable and appropriate dissemination of information concerning its activities and the results thereof;"

The President is only allowed to transfer and classify information in NASA with the full approval of the Congress, as long as he provides a copy of such request to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the Senate.

For more information, see: http://www.nasa.gov/offices/ogc/about/space_act1.html#PROPERTY%20RIGHTS

For proof that NASA is not a part of the Department of Defense, and is not controlled by the DOD, see: http://www.loc.gov/rr/news/fedgov.html

Ugh, so then you just skip right over section (i) which says exactly this:

(i) The Administration shall be considered a defense agency of the United States for the purpose of chapter 17 of title 35 of the United States Code.

This section also does suggest a classification of technology in (h), which could range from certain rocket engines to anti gravity propulsion systems. We just don't know.

DECLARATION OF POLICY AND PURPOSE

Sec. 102. (a) The Congress hereby declares that it is the policy of the United States that activities in space should be devoted to peaceful purposes for the benefit of all mankind.

(b) The Congress declares that the general welfare and security of the United States require that adequate provision be made for aeronautical and space activities.
The Congress further declares that such activities shall be the responsibility of, and shall be directed by, a civilian agency exercising control over aeronautical and space activities sponsored by the United States, except that activities peculiar to or primarily associated with the development of weapons systems, military operations, or the defense of the United States (including the research and development necessary to make effective provision for the defense of the United States) shall be the responsibility of, and shall be directed by, the Department of Defense; and that determination as to which such agency has responsibility for and direction of any such activity shall be made by the President in conformity with section 2471(e).

But NASA is acting as a Defense Department, right under all of your noses! Wake up!


Beez

 

[Nubie Biatch]

... what are you afraid of?
...you are completely miserable... have fun, bathing in your own negativity. Suckers.

Beez

Sad Beez, Does every one of you conspiracy people read off a script? I've seen the "What are you afraid of?" defense a little too often.

The "Examine the evidence for yourself" reply is also being overused.

Anyone that received a proper education has "examined the evidence for themselves". Everyone here has provided sound rebuttals that included scientific evidence from legitimate, mainstream, widely accepted sources. We don't consider someone with a GED and a half brained theory to be worthy of quoting or considering. Ignorance breeds many things, in this case it has bred a following of gullible lapdogs convinced of a world out to get them.

I don't care about or have any way to prove of any life after this one. We are physical beings bound to a physical reality and we are all slowly coming to an end. I suggest you stop living in fear of "What ifs" and start living what's left of your life to the fullest. We aren't supposed to be terrified of everything around us. Enjoy life, people, and everything you can.

 

[genkisan]

If there were actual cities on the moon, anyone trying to expose same would be JImmy Hoffa'ed in mere microseconds.....you'd never even have the chance to learn their name.

 

[Pops]

Gosh, Beez, I thought that you had to learn to read before they let you in college. I didn't say that I wouldn't look at the pictures, I said that I didn't have to look at them to know that Johnson was a phony.Notice the subtle difference there. You might get an English or Basket Weaving major to explain it to you. Go ahead and post some pics. Otherwise, I will never see them, as I don't waste good money buying books to support con artists. .

 

[GMT]

(how are we to know the Earth is actually round? No one has ever tied a rope around it...). But even if you had, then we could enter the realm of "does your experience really exist?" You think it does, but does it really?

Do you really exist?

I could find theories out there that could blow you out of your mind. I could find graduate-level papers written by "credible" philosophy professors and professionals that could disprove your existence -- scientifically

Now, if you don't mind some mockery:
1. Prove 1+1 = 2.
2. Prove Jesus isn't black.
3. Prove the "white" skin color isn't a genetic defect from inbreeding, because it makes you more susceptible to skin cancer.
4. Prove the German concentration camps actually used Prussian Blue to gas the Jews, instead of using it to get rid of rats and disease.
5. Prove your opinions matter.

Good luck -- because common sense and empirical evidence doesn't matter in this kind of bullshit.

Sorry but how wrong can someone be on so many levels.
First off, sorry but the only thing we do know for certain is that we exist, or rather that any individual can know that they themselves exist. If you want to understand that, then refer the Descartes meditations. There has never been any arguement put forward by anyone that they do not exist. Solopsists beleive that they exist alone and that others are mere illusions of the one being keeping their brain in a jar and creating the illusion of the world but even they don't doubt that they themselves exist.
Also on a side note, ontology is the level of existance which is given to those things which cannot be found phisically but have a shared reality between those who know "of them". EG, unicorns, father christmas, tooth faires. We know what we are talking about when refering to these things which have ontologial reality however accept that they do not have a physical reality. The term ontologial reality has been misused several times in this thread.
To your mockery questions:
1, 1+1=2 because of the rules of mathematics, they have no real qua real reality, however do have the ontological reality, (see previous paragraph) and therefore the rules of the game of mathematics states that 1+1=2, and therefore it is so.
2, Given that we are still in ontological waters here, the proof is simple, he is in heaven, therefore no longer has a body of any colour, therefore isn't black.
3, inbreeding is the method by which all mutations (which being white is) become common. However the reason is probably due to heat retention which is easier for white objects than black ones. The term defect means faulty, and since being white is a benefit in colder climates than being any other colour with the exeption of silver, then to term it as a defect is false.
4, With that one you get into definitions, to the nazis, jewish people were the desease, and so to them they were using it to get rid of deseases, to most rational people this isnt so.
5, Why else would you ask for them.

 

[Guest]

Beez...you'll just have to face that you are outnumbered here. They have a whole crew dedicated to defaming anyone who might speak of anything that doesn't agree with the mainstream. Unless your quoting CNN and FAUX news these guys are going to stomp your name into the mud. They have NO other agenda here.

The crew:
HC Smyth
Pops
newbgrow
Nubie Biatch
Genkisan
Trouble
The(un)American

This is serious for them. They are not going to let you say anything without being ridiculed. Discussion of actual topics is NOT their thing. They will:

Defame.
Slander.
Ridicule.
Insult.
Attack.
Criticize.

They will talk about your mother than they will about the topic. These people are indeed making GREAT fools of themselves. I would just post away and pretend they don't exist. You can put them on ignore as well.

As long as you reply to them, you will give them ammo to steer your topic off on many mad tangents in an attempt to make you look silly at best.

If you NEVER reply to them, they will begin to become such an outrageous group of nutters only talking to EACH OTHER that they will bury their own credibility as a whole on this entire forum. Other people are watching these threads, so beat them at their own game. Post 1,000 more on topics that make them seethe.

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

gmt, hello man, good seeing you
as i understood ontology; it is related to metaphysical things, beyond-physical. such as existence would be, where is it located? can we touch it or say it is born or dies?, etc... so it is an ontological subject. ontology is opposed to empirical as metaphysical is opposed to physical. as you said, any individual can know they exist simply because they do in fact exist, but this is known by what anyways? what is it that beholds the knowledge of existence as compared to what? that is also what some term the ontological being. heidegger speaks of this in time and being some say. anyway, talk about off-topic conversations... much peace man!

 

[Yummybud]

someone should go and fart on the moon and see if it echoes through space.

 

[trouble]

They will:

Defame.
Slander.
Ridicule.
Insult.
Attack.
Criticize.

STD, what type of reaction from other ICMAG members were you expecting when you constantly post links to and promote KKK-Nazi web-sites ? I'm Irish-American and I'm even insulted by your hate promoting of others.
If you cant handle the consequences of your beliefs and actions then stop what your doing or stop crying about how others react to it. It's really getting old and no one likes to be around someone who plays the victim role all the time.

Attack & Criticize you? Yes, I'm guilty. However, no one had to Defame, Slander, Ridicule, or Insult you. You did a good job of that by yourself.


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[GMT]

Hey Paz, good seeing you too.
Difficult areas to separate, but the best example for this I can think of is this. You get into your car and it doesnt start, the starter motor can be heard but the engine never kicks in. Faulty engine you think to yourself and call out the mobile mechanic. There's a prob with my engine mate, you tell him over the phone, so he comes out. You discuss what the engine is doing and what the problem could be. The problem has ontological reality, as once discussed, you both have the same impression of the problem which does not exist, (the problem is there is no petrol in the car not that the engine is broken) the engine has physical presence. Was the problem metaphysical? I persoanlly would not describe it as such. To me, metaphysical describes those things which would not exist in our reality, such as angels, ontology to those things which we know do not exist but if they did would do so in our reality and which have definate and commonly shared attributes (eg tooth faires collect teeth from under pillows and leave money in exchange), and reality refers to universally believed illusions lol, sorry couldnt resist that last one. I disagree with your statement that existence is anything other than the physical though. You exist wherever your body does, even if you are thinking about the past, future or distant land. It is my belief that yes it is both born and dies, and can be touhed by the existence of another, both physically and non physically, and not only touched, but altered. Ontological merely means that it exists in the mind of those who refer to it in the same way, so it exists, but only ontologically. It has its own reality, the best example of this is mathematics, globally accepted though not posseing physical reality.
The irony of the proof of personal existence is that it is derived from doubting ones own existence, the old Descartes statement, perverted by computer companies from "I doubt I exist therefore I exist" as the I that doubts must exist in order to doubt, to "I think therefore I am. "
Sadly I havent yet got around to Heidegger, Im still ploughing my way through Schrodingers Kittens right now, quantum mechanics really interests me. I always love a detour discussing with you Paz. What do you think?

 

[Babombeez]

Gosh, Beez, I thought that you had to learn to read before they let you in college. I didn't say that I wouldn't look at the pictures, I said that I didn't have to look at them to know that Johnson was a phony.Notice the subtle difference there. You might get an English or Basket Weaving major to explain it to you. Go ahead and post some pics. Otherwise, I will never see them, as I don't waste good money buying books to support con artists. .

Time to shut your mouth, old man.

Thanks S2D...

-So what I find so interesting is how NASA says it is a "civilian agency" but then in the NASA charter the agency completely contradicts itself, when it says the "administration will act like a defense department." I am pointing out a practical inconsistency here.

So if NASA did indeed find ruins of artificial origin on the moon they would NOT tell the people of the United States, let alone the world. It would be too detrimental to "national security," and it would completely shatter organized religion, especially Evangelical Christianity, the majority of the vote in the U.S... Creationism says the Earth was created in 4004 BCE, but if there are indeed ruins on the moon than that means human civilization has been around A LOT longer than their claims, or proves the existence of extraterrestrial entities.... Not to mention scientific evidence for the Earth being approx. 4.4 Billion years old.

I am done arguing with people in here about foolish shit. So anyone who attacks me personally (which is probably impossible for the asshole crew), I will not even retort.

I will continue to (when I have more time) to post things from the book.

It's time to see if Hoagland is really telling the truth. And by the way, you say Johnson is a phony. You base his credibility on "not being arrested"... Regardless of what you want think would happen, that may not be the case. Perhaps NASA is a bit freaked out. NASA was also ordered by a judge for opening up UFO files...

Seems they are hiding alot. But you seem to disagree. Since NASA is a defense agency, they MUST BE HIDING EVERYTHING!



Beez

 

[Guest]

STD, what type of reaction from other ICMAG members were you expecting when you constantly post links to and promote KKK-Nazi web-sites ? I'm Irish-American and I'm even insulted by your hate promoting of others.
If you cant handle the consequences of your beliefs and actions then stop what your doing or stop crying about how others react to it. It's really getting old and no one likes to be around someone who plays the victim role all the time.

Attack & Criticize you? Yes, I'm guilty. However, no one had to Defame, Slander, Ridicule, or Insult you. You did a good job of that by yourself.


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You can hardly consider yourself an ICMAG member. Your nothing more than a parasite on this community, and any other community for that matter.

You must think ICMAG members are total idiots to keep spewing your bs lies about Nazis and the KKK.

The Nazis were lead by Ashkenazis. You want to play this game?

 

[genkisan]

You can hardly consider yourself an ICMAG member. Your nothing more than a parasite on this community, and any other community for that matter.

You must think ICMAG members are total idiots to keep spewing your bs lies about Nazis and the KKK.

The Nazis were lead by Ashkenazis. You want to play this game?

Oh indeed.....I want to play this game, Senor KKK....

Ash·ke·naz·i (äsh'kə-nä'zē)
n. pl. Ash·ke·naz·im (-nāz'ĭm, -nä'zĭm)
A member of the branch of European Jews, historically Yiddish-speaking, who settled in central and northern Europe.

OK now Mr Stormfront whackadoo.....I would very much like you to present me with ANY believable (ie: documented by someone credible, not Erich Horseshit) evidence that Hitler, Himmler, Goering, Hess, Goebbels or any other high-ranking Nazis were Jewish in any way.

The only one that had any traces of Jewish blood was Reinhold Heydrich, who ironically was the only one of the high echelon to fit the Nazi physical ideal (blonde, tall, blue eyes, etc).

Remember, you must provide real, credible evidence of what you claim.....nothing from nutjob conspiracy sites please.