Dankwolfs rks breeding project and breeding info discussion

[insomniac_AU]

You can get dew point hygrometers pretty cheap.

 

[Dankwolf]

Well the seed run seems to have worked out time will tell. ( I will throw up some more pics soon).

Also I have a nice seed run of some new girls coming up . stay tuned it will be worth it .


As far as rks is concerend it my take years but believe me you when the time is right it will be aviable of us rks lovers . any I I am rambling .


Thank you to all that have contributed . I belive I am on the right track with the right genetics . give me 5-10 years and I will show you something special .

 

[Dankwolf]

Well the rest of my seed girls have been cut down for a week plus .

Well the rest of my seed girls have been cut down for a week plus .

This North mtf . the real cut verified beyond fought is a 30 year old cut (maybe more) .

She is vary unique as far as structure/ terps . she is showing many sings of a old school girl that has not been selected to nothing if you know what I mean .

She is a 11-12+ week strain for sure . she is showing many sings of being on her last leg clone wise . when I got her the crew said she was played out but with a little tlc I have gotten her to show some decent flower . any ways she deffently has some nice rks terps (no fruit) . all her rks terps come late in flower un like many other strains I have run that have some rks terps early on only . she seams vary promising .

She needs out crossing bad . hopefully sams Ancestrial skunk is the right male for the job time will tell . here is a pic at 10+ weeks of flower .pic does not due her justis.

My plan at this,point is to work two different genetic projects. Then bring each to a f4-f5 selecting for the rks profile in all it tells (#1 effect,2# profile3# yield and 4 structure). then after 5 to 7 years or how ever long it take cross the stabilized projects to achive a rks strian with vigour . no s1 or reverseing will be done unlees absoulty needed ( in ether word if hell frezzes over).

Cotton candy x ?

Will be one project.

North mtf x ?

Be the other .

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

Before you use any new male a good idea is to transform the male to female so the Cannabinoid and terpene profile can be judged, they are safe to smoke after transformation from male to female. and you can smell the ones you want very easy with any male transformed to female. keep the males to be transformed to female alive as male clones so if you find one you like you still have that male.
-SamS

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=99597&highlight=males+transformed+female

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2672352&postcount=89

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

Before you use any new male a good idea is to transform the male to female so the Cannabinoid and terpene profile can be judged, they are safe to smoke after transformation from male to female. and you can smell the ones you want very easy with any male transformed to female. keep the males to be transformed to female alive as male clones so if you find one you like you still have that male.
-SamS

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=99597&highlight=males+transformed+female

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2672352&postcount=89

If you were going to go to all the trouble of reversing males to find the one that genderswaps to an RKS female and the ultimate goal of the effort was to produce RKS seeds then wouldn't it be easier to just breed the male RKS to it's female self once you've found the right guy instead of going to the further effort of breeding the RKS male to naturally female plants and refining that 50% RKS seed batch to an RKS dominant seed line?

 

[Dankwolf]

If you were going to go to all the trouble of reversing males to find the one that genderswaps to an RKS female and the ultimate goal of the effort was to produce RKS seeds then wouldn't it be easier to just breed the male RKS to it's female self once you've found the right guy instead of going to the further effort of breeding the RKS male to naturally female plants and refining that 50% RKS seed batch to an RKS dominant seed line?

It would be faster but there would be less chances to select for wanted traits/profiles and or weed out undesired triats /profiles .

Also there would be a lack of vigour using a plant in this way and that should be avoided by all breeders in my opinion.

I am sure Sam could answer this a lot more elegantly .

 

[Dankwolf]

Before you use any new male a good idea is to transform the male to female so the Cannabinoid and terpene profile can be judged, they are safe to smoke after transformation from male to female. and you can smell the ones you want very easy with any male transformed to female. keep the males to be transformed to female alive as male clones so if you find one you like you still have that male.
-SamS

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=99597&highlight=males+transformed+female

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=2672352&postcount=89

I honestly never thought to select a male this way . but I really like the idea of it plan to implement it even though it will add to the time line . thank you Sam for the advise .

What do you recomend for reversing the males ?

 

[JetLife175]

I honestly never thought to select a male this way . but I really like the idea of it plan to implement it even though it will add to the time line . thank you Sam for the advise .

What do you recomend for reversing the males ?

STS is the way to go. There’s a plethora of information on it here on IC.


STS is not the way to go.... It is used to reverse females to male, but do not smoke them.
-SamS

 

[Ibechillin]

The first 3 posts from the thread Sam linked:

Fertile female flowers can be induced in male plants by ethephon (2-chloroethanephosphonic acid).

The toxicity of ethephon is actually very low, and any ethephon used on the plant material is converted very quickly to ethylene.

After STS application, silver is stored in the plant in toxic quantities.... reversing a male into female you can check some important flowering traits like aromas, resin production, ovary and pistil formation/distribution but have you found a non toxic reversal product so you can smoke your reversed males?

As far as I know ethephon is pretty harmless...

-SamS

 

[PDX Dopesmoker]

It would be faster but there would be less chances to select for wanted traits/profiles and or weed out undesired triats /profiles .

Also there would be a lack of vigour using a plant in this way and that should be avoided by all breeders in my opinion.

I am sure Sam could answer this a lot more elegantly .

If I had gone to all the trouble to reverse males until I found one that was RKS when in female form and then it was time to breed that male I wouldn't be shy about violating the tenets of the breeding ethics religion by putting a female version of that male in the room when the pollen was being spread. If you did end up with an RKS seed line from the selfed male and the seeds lacked vigor you might be able to produce a vigorous RKS line by making hybrids to get your vigor back. That might even be easier than crossing the male to something else and then getting to a reliable RKS seed somewhere down that line.
Of course thats only in the scenario where you get to grow enough plants that you could start a race pitting multiple strategies against each other, in reality we're all limited on the number of individual plants we get to grow and you'd need big bucks and a license to grow dozens of plants to find the right phenotypes and even with all that investment it would be a big hassle with no guaranteed positive result.
I would also be very interested to hear what Sam and/or any of the other respected heads have to say about breeding strategies involving gender reversed plants.

 

[Elmer Bud]

STS is the way to go. There’s a plethora of information on it here on IC.

G `day Jet

Bomp Boaw !

STS will reverse females .
Ethylene will reverse males .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

 

[Dankwolf]

If I had gone to all the trouble to reverse males until I found one that was RKS when in female form and then it was time to breed that male I wouldn't be shy about violating the tenets of the breeding ethics religion by putting a female version of that male in the room when the pollen was being spread. If you did end up with an RKS seed line from the selfed male and the seeds lacked vigor you might be able to produce a vigorous RKS line by making hybrids to get your vigor back. That might even be easier than crossing the male to something else and then getting to a reliable RKS seed somewhere down that line.
Of course thats only in the scenario where you get to grow enough plants that you could start a race pitting multiple strategies against each other, in reality we're all limited on the number of individual plants we get to grow and you'd need big bucks and a license to grow dozens of plants to find the right phenotypes and even with all that investment it would be a big hassle with no guaranteed positive result.
I would also be very interested to hear what Sam and/or any of the other respected heads have to say about breeding strategies involving gender reversed plants.

I only plant to breed maybe 2 strians to there fullest in my life time. I feel no need to rush . I want something truly original as possible . hence my path


Worst case I don't finish the project but had a fun time .

 

[DoubleTripleOG]

I only plant to breed maybe 2 strians to there fullest in my life time. I feel no need to rush . I want something truly original as possible . hence my path


Worst case I don't finish the project but had a fun time .

In my book, that's all that matters. As long as you have fun and enjoy what you are doing.

 

[Dankwolf]

In my book, that's all that matters. As long as you have fun and enjoy what you are doing.

Thank you . .so are you going to be running the blue star cross?

 

[DoubleTripleOG]

Thank you . .so are you going to be running the blue star cross?

It cam to me as a clone. So yes for sure. I'm gonna clone it within the next couple days. Then transplant and flip it. If you were referring to the Deathstar x Ancestral Skunk, I have 6 seedlings going now. They will also be up-potted within the next week. Reloading half of my flower section always results in a series of up-pot's and either making clones or starting seeds. Sadly this round clones need to be done.

 

[Dawgfunk]

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If this one shows up, this is the fluffy pheno of a seed I popped from gas, one x rks swami seeds. Real nice and petrol skunk pepper and pine. Pulled early but very giddy and happy. Definitely joint weed, love blending it with heavier herb. Grinded up some dogwalker og with it and I actually looked outside to make sure there wasn’t a skunk at the door! The stank. I feel like of the beans i’ve popped from him, the yogi has more of that consistent roadkill smell to it early on anyway. Who knows how that’ll translate to the nugs but they’re getting stinkier as the days go on so time will tell...
The chunky pheno of the couple one rks i ended up popping is more bready and fruity, got the skunk from afar for sure. Definitely some ancestral skunk candidates. Stoked I did em in a dep this year because these rains and fog up here near the willamette really has had me sweatin a bit recently. Great thread, dankwolf. I’m always stoked to see what’s new on here. Your bud shots are sexy. Always good info. Got a couple blackberry x cherry pie male clones I may try and reverse after reading sam’s post. Hope alls well with everyone!

 

[Dankwolf]

Next run will be possible due to miraculous meds.

Next run will be possible due to miraculous meds.

This seed run will be to look for rks profiles/terps to add to the project and show case the genetics stated below.I will be starting a thread just for tgis run soon . I will post up a link soon as I have the time .

A big thank you to mm for the genetics to benefit all.....

Seed strain #1. death star x( blue star f1 = ( death star x whitaker blues) .

Seed strain #2. ogkb 2.0 x Ancestrial skunk


Seed strian 3# . blue star x Ancestrial skunk

Big thanks to all that are helping with this life defining Project.

My Ancestrial crosses are on hold till I can finish sifting out the seed .

I will put a link to the mm thread soon .please,correct me,if I miss qouted genetic background

 

[troutman]

I only plant to breed maybe 2 strians to there fullest in my life time. I feel no need to rush . I want something truly original as possible . hence my path


Worst case I don't finish the project but had a fun time .

If everybody bred one Cannabis strain or food plant from scratch the World would be better off.

 

[Happy Times]

This seed run will be to look for rks profiles/terps to add to the project and show case the genetics stated below.I will be starting a thread just for tgis run soon . I will post up a link soon as I have the time .

A big thank you to mm for the genetics to benefit all.....

Seed strain #1. death star x( blue star f1 = ( death star x whitaker blues) .

Seed strain #2. ogkb 2.0 x Ancestrial skunk


Seed strian 3# . blue star x Ancestrial skunk

Big thanks to all that are helping with this life defining Project.

My Ancestrial crosses are on hold till I can finish sifting out the seed .

I will put a link to the mm thread soon .please,correct me,if I miss qouted genetic background

Some interesting crosses there!

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

I was not suggesting to use the male reversed for breeding as a female.
I am suggesting that a male transformed to female can be analyzed to determine the Cannabinoids and terpenes they have to pass on to progeny, test them with GC or HPLC and you have a good idea what they can pass on, I do that and I use an organoleptic test, I can smoke it because ethephon is not a danger. The method works, and you can screen thousands of males if you wanted to, if you had to make and test progeny of each different male it would take years to even make the crosses much less test them all, this is a fast and easy way to be assured the male is what you are looking for before you use it for pollinations. Then you can focus on finding the best combination with progeny trials.
-SamS

Anyone suggesting to use STS are mixed up, STS transforms females to male, not males to females, and STS can not be smoked.