Dankwolfs rks breeding project and breeding info discussion

[FireIn.TheSky]

Its funny the name(STERLING skunk) implies for me that he has a good idea of what the old school rks was yet the use of chemdawg/chemdogs genetics makes no real sense . could be wrong i have never grown any chem anything

If I was going to outcross my rks to do a backcross I would use cobcoops chem 91 skva x sfv og/ Appalachia pollen ive been holding onto

It was the second most skunky strain I have ever grown and shares a lot in terms of taxonomy woth my rkd.The applachia is green crack x tres dawg, the green crack is based off of old skunk 1 x unknown afghani. So the genetics are right for skunky odors

 

[joeyclams]

Its funny the name(STERLING skunk) implies for me that he has a good idea of what the old school rks was yet the use of chemdawg/chemdogs genetics makes no real sense . could be wrong i have never grown any chem anything .

Sky. Rks threads are a dime a dozen but this thread is here to stay and will continue even if i have to start over to weed out useless comments. Rks is just around the Bend and will be free/no restriction on passing out cuts or seed if i have anything to do with it.

I am not doing this for the cash or recognition. I am doing it for love of it .i will bring it back with or with out help or die trying . i am teired of all the rks bullshit threads on every site/server. So lets call the search for pot#3 instead lol

"Sterling" skunk refers to the town in massachusetts where it was grown, its extra stinky. I got a bunch too from the same guy bohdi did, coolest dude you'd ever meet.

 

[FireIn.TheSky]

Joeyclams were they real rks or just stinky?

I saw some info about it from another poster here names like xochilli or something like that and they said it was just stinky not necessarily skunky.

 

[joeyclams]

quote=FireIn.TheSky;7746943]Joeyclams were they real rks or just stinky?

I saw some info about it from another poster here names like xochilli or something like that and they said it was just stinky not necessarily skunky.[/quote]


The couple phenos i smelled were the stinkiest plants ive ever encountered, and although skunk was amongst the myriad of foulness it was not the primary or dominant stench. I can see why bodhi hit the chem91 with it and maybe he grew out enough to find more skunky ones but idk. I remember the 80's rks well, It definately could be related since it was on that level of overwhelming stench.

 

[DRM Ranch]

I think it would serve the project well to take a systematic approach.

Pick a phenotypical trait that you recall from the original and work toward that. This will require inbreeding (selfing to the extent that other genetics are as near to wiped out as is possible)

Then or concurrently, work on another phenotypical trait.

The whole point of inbreeding is to eliminate undesirable recessive genetics from the gene pool you are working with.

The natural crosses plan will produce a huge variety of genetic diversity and maybe you hit on the one you want, however the RKS you are looking for sounds very much as if there are very specific traits that must be present in combination. In short, a group of specific genetic combinations makes the RKS phenotype.

You can identify those individual phenotypical aspects you want and strip away all you do not want passed on by inbreeding, then smartly combine the various inbred strains to inch closer to what you feel is phenotypically RKS.

Or

Randomly pick out normal plants that have some inkling of the traits and open pollinate and hope you win the genetic lotto.

Both recessive (are either passed on or not, difficult to identify heterozygous offspring, easy to identify homozygous offspring) and dominant genetics (are either passed on or not, and easily identifiable) can be eliminated by inbreeding, selecting only those genetics you feel are working toward your end goal.

SamS mentions growing out huge numbers as a preferred method, this is true. It can be done on a smaller scale but time becomes an issue. Simply smoking enough samples to do a proper selection is going to take a crap ton of time let alone the grow itself.

It would seem to me, based on what SamS said about attempts at breeding away from RKS, that the RKS phenotype is predominantly recessive genetically, possibly a combination of recessive genetics.

If this is the case, RKS being comprised of recessive genetics, then locating the recessive genetic precursors is or should be priority one.

Leaf to bud ratio may be expressed by any number of genetics, lets say there are just three unique genetics that make the right leaf to bud ratio, you need to preserve each of those three because you don't know for sure if 1, 2, or 3 combines with another genetic to make RKS smell and taste like RKS.

While I can appreciate that growing methods do have an impact on phenotype expression, that can be covered by breeding clones in a variety of methods. Copying the dated methods used to grow RKS would very likely produce the best and truest results.

DRM Ranch

 

[dank.frank]

These two varieties are completely unrelated...
Stardawg may have potential but Sensi Star... I think not.

Using genetics that have had the skunk breed out should prove fruitless.

Terps is terps is terps.... THCV.
The same clone taken from one grow to another is going to show a bit of variation but the terps will be the same. They could be muted or enhanced but a skunk is a skunk is a skunk. Nutrients are taken up exactly the same wether in hydro or grown organically. This argument is mute unless you've got proof via several side by side grows done profesionally using scientific methods of observation. I'm not a hydro guy but I've had hydro that beats the shit out of a lot of organicly grown product. I do grow organically but I also the opinions/choices of others. Especially when they're making choices for themselves based upon research they've done versus being a sock puppet taking orders.

First, let me say, the most RKS smelling strain I've grown from modern genetics is the Ohio Deathstar cut - ECSD x Sensi Star.

I've grown tons of ECSD crosses. Both fems and m/f pairings. Even S1's. I've not come across anything RKS in other ECSD pairings. That leaves me with the impression that Sensi Star added that RKS something to the equation.

That being said, and I've been ridiculed for this before - I absolutely believe, 100% that what we feed the plant has a direct impact on the "flavors" produced. I've seen this time and time again in my own soil mixes. I can keep a control specimen in a sealed, controlled environment. In the same room, run the same clone in 3 uniquely different soil mixes. All will perform well and produce what would be considered top tier cannabis. All 4 of the plants (control included) will taste very different. The only thing changed between plants - what amendments were used to provide the plant nutrition.

A grass fed cow taste incredibly different than a cow raised on a strictly corn diet. A wild turkey taste completely different than a farm raised bird. A deer that eats out of the forest and lives on acorns taste completely different than a deer that was raiding a farmers field.

Why do these animals taste different if all nutrition is the same? If all the animal needs is nutritional molecules to fuel it's system, why is there a direct impact on the flavor of the meat?

I think the same thing happens with plants. What you feed absolutely has an impact on how they taste. I used to believe that anecdotally but as I said, I've run side by side tests in a very controlled setting and that only confirmed my experiences as being valid.

To take that one step further - look at large PVP agricultural models. If you are going to grow a PVP crop, you have to agree to a very strict contract. Part of that contract outlines the environmental parameters that must exist in order for the resulting produce to be sold under the recognized trade name. This includes very specific nutrient formulations that must be used. These formulations are brand specific. All this is done to ensure the proper phenotype is produced by a contracted grower and what the consumer receives is exactly the same regardless of regional source.

I've been called a hack for holding this opinion before and yet I still hold it. Even after tons of research and scientific data saying otherwise, I still hold this opinion. I've seen first hand the impact changing amendments makes. I value science. I value personal experience more.

Slowly making my way through this thread.



dank.Frank

 

[troutman]

^^^^^

For example:

1. Organically grown food tastes better and smell better than the same grown on purely chemical powder fertilizers.
2. Same as food grown under the natural sunlight vs indoor lights.

I would hope we can all agree on the above 2 statements..

 

[Dropped Cat]

Sensi Star

For me skunk is cherry, lol

 

[CosmicCharlie]

^^^^^

For example:

1. Organically grown food tastes better and smell better than the same grown on purely chemical powder fertilizers.
2. Same as food grown under the natural sunlight vs indoor lights.

I would hope we can all agree on the above 2 statements..

This!

I've noticed and think most people agree that outdoor weed smells and tastes better compared to indoor. I believe the sun helps with the plant's process of producing maximum terpene levels.

I also think that maybe the really true RKS smell may only be produced outdoors. I also believe the RKS may have been a sport pheno.

Just my thoughts on RKS and the above quoted post. Could be wrong about some things.

 

[FireIn.TheSky]

I'm going to try my rks clone outside this next season.

 

[troutman]

I read an article that was about terpenes in plants. It said that insect and
animal attacks on plants causes the plants to boost their terpene levels.

So maybe indoor plants are not in need of as many terpenes and produce less as a result?

They've found those genes in the corn plant.
Maybe, they'll GMO corn to produce more terpenes so they can use less pesticides.

http://phys.org/news/2016-10-genes-aromas-corn.html

 

[slownickel]

Those on this forum that got their calcium up soon enough and kept it up all had absurd terpene levels. Getting the metals right, especially Mn which is responsible for the conversion of sugars, gets you even more terps...

 

[troutman]

Those on this forum that got their calcium up soon enough and kept it up all had absurd terpene levels. Getting the metals right, especially Mn which is responsible for the conversion of sugars, gets you even more terps...

Here's some calcium and terpene information that may be of use.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Calcium Effects on Yield, Mineral Uptake and Terpene Components of Hydroponic Chrysanthemum coronarium L.[/FONT]

http://scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=ijb.2005.196.200&org=11

 

[Dirt Life]

Wow, when you look @ the amount of variables that can potentially alter, in one way or another, the smells and tastes of a plant, from lighting to enviroment to mediums and amendments, its pretty mind boggling. And while I agree that all these variables probably contributed to everyones vision of RKS, I still believe it was the genetics that were the main contributer. I have a mother who's main aroma profile is skunk, no matter how bad or well grown she is, its there. What varies is the undelying aromas and the intensity of the smell, as well as the taste. Another thing that seems to greatly influence the rank in the end product, other than a proper dry and cure, is harvest time. The later the harvest time, the less skunky aromas in the end, @ least with my plant Im using for comparison.

 

[slownickel]

Here's some calcium and terpene information that may be of use.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Calcium Effects on Yield, Mineral Uptake and Terpene Components of Hydroponic Chrysanthemum coronarium L.[/FONT]

http://scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=ijb.2005.196.200&org=11

Spectacular article!!!! Thanks for posting it!

 

[Mtn. Nectar]

will the real RKS please take a bow where ever you may be...........cause never needing any special attention in any way...........was rank skank from sprout through cure .........end of the frikken story..............

best in New Year.............

ganj on................................

 

[rykus]

Don't have time to read this whole thread as my life just settled to ashes, lol, but in my experience with commercial cannabis and off shoots of the original "skunk weed" that was so prevalent in the 80's and early 90's I would say the biggest sign of old skunk genes is the way the resin glands come through the leaf surface...

In my experience the true sign of the old skunk is when the resin heads push through the leaf surface actually pushes up at the surface... Most dryer resin varieties the resin covers the surface but the oil-y skunk ones the glands push up through and actually push the leaf surface up and the leaf looks quite different...

Anyways just lost my RKS project, but I have some RKS cross with a Rene S3 (skunkxhimilayan) and chimera has the UK cheese cross island sweet skunk(grapefruitx'95 sensi skunk male)

Anyways good luck

 

[gorilla ganja]

Maybe this will help in the quest

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=336376

Peace GG

 

[MJPassion]

Don't have time to read this whole thread as my life just settled to ashes, lol, but in my experience with commercial cannabis and off shoots of the original "skunk weed" that was so prevalent in the 80's and early 90's I would say the biggest sign of old skunk genes is the way the resin glands come through the leaf surface...

In my experience the true sign of the old skunk is when the resin heads push through the leaf surface actually pushes up at the surface... Most dryer resin varieties the resin covers the surface but the oil-y skunk ones the glands push up through and actually push the leaf surface up and the leaf looks quite different...

Anyways just lost my RKS project, but I have some RKS cross with a Rene S3 (skunkxhimilayan) and chimera has the UK cheese cross island sweet skunk(grapefruitx'95 sensi skunk male)

Anyways good luck

Man that really sucks!
I hope shit does a 180 for ya quick like.

Thanks, too, for the pointers.

 

[Dirt Life]

New Skunk, huh... 20 to 50 plants to find "it"... Hmmm...