If the NSA is keeping your phone calls, and your emails.....What do you think?
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Customs got the seeds
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If the NSA is keeping your phone calls, and your emails.....What do you think?
It depends on the original agreement between buyer & seller. With guaranteed delivery, the seller takes the loss, re-ships until delivery occurs. Otherwise, the buyer takes all responsibility for loss. Sellers are usually quite upfront either way.
If seed seizures were more than marginally effective, we'd see a large price delta between guaranteed delivery & not. I haven't noticed that.
Some losses are to be expected, because people gotta do their jobs.
If you look at their shipping base price is 14$, the guaranteed "insurance" is another 13$ and change. So in a way every order that makes it pays for the ones that dont.
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Yep, makes sense.
You're not reading that right. Make a trial run with the cart, select shipping options- the guaranteed delivery price of shipping to me totals $13.35. That $14 fee only applies in Europe, I think, as an alternative method.
I just received two orders from two different places this past December. This may be complete superstitious BS, but I believe it's a numbers game. Like winning (in this case losing) the lottery. I try to order in December when the mail volume is at its highest. And I NEVER order stealth shipping, as there are MANY more envelopes in the mail than packages. The more customs agents have to inspect, the less likely they are to find a particular package. At least that's what I think.
You may be right. The cart gives different totals on the right depending on how I approach it. If I click guaranteed delivery & breeder packs, hit continue, it prompts me to select all options. when I click the international express button as well, the total is $13.55. If I just go down the list, you're correct. $27. weird.
Still, when you consider that they're insuring what could be $1000 worth of seeds for $13.55, then the interception rate must be quite low, more annoyance than monetary loss. Which was my whole point in the first place. I'd be very surprised if customs snags 5% of orders.
I agree completely. Bog standard letter sized mailers just get lost in the enormous volume of mail, particularly around Christmas. I ordered from a Dutch bank that closed for 3 weeks over Christmas, something they didn't announce until after I'd sent it off. Still worked out OK- they came through just fine once they came back to work. No stealth at all other than it being a lumpy letter.
I seem to want unusual genetics not generally available through major retailers, so I have to explore some of the lesser knowns to get what I want to try. For some reason, I want to grow Planck (Santa Maria) & had to do some digging to find the seeds. I have 'em now, along with a couple of other selections from the same breeder.
Perhaps one of the coolest things about Colorado & retail weed is that I budget for an eighth a month so that I can try different varieties over time. I was away from it for 25 years, so I have some catching up to do. It'll be fun. Meanwhile, growing continues.
Ahhhh yes!
Fishing, they are...
I hadn't thought of that one.
What a tricky way to obtain growers addresses.
I think the markup on a pack of seeds more than justifies who is paying for what.
Far as I know, most seedbanks have a 100% markup from what the breeder gets. In other words, breeders only get 50% of the cost of a pack of seeds when they are purchased through a seedbank.
Lest we not forget that the middle man does the least work & gains the most. Seedbanks are not losing a thing by guaranteeing that shipments go through.
Heusinomics
Active member
I think you are forgetting something! The seeds!
For every Reship the SEEDS hav to b replaced by the comp. on my last order I got a bunch of extra freebies. It's been snagged twice. So the tude has had to ship 3times the cost of my original order. That is what has to b offset by higher pricing, eather w the overall price or shipping.
So I'm @ 1-3 arrival success from the tude. 2 Dif orders, 1st needed one Reship,2nd order has been sent by them 3 times and is in transit now.
Iv always had great service and no difficulties w reshipping orders, but I'm always polite, I select the guaranty, and I'd rather get the seeds than my $ back.
Not sure abt the sitch w gypsy, but iv always had stellar success w the butique!
As well as hemp-depot frm Canada.
For every Reship the SEEDS hav to b replaced by the comp. on my last order I got a bunch of extra freebies. It's been snagged twice. So the tude has had to ship 3times the cost of my original order. That is what has to b offset by higher pricing, eather w the overall price or shipping.
So I'm @ 1-3 arrival success from the tude. 2 Dif orders, 1st needed one Reship,2nd order has been sent by them 3 times and is in transit now.
Iv always had great service and no difficulties w reshipping orders, but I'm always polite, I select the guaranty, and I'd rather get the seeds than my $ back.
Not sure abt the sitch w gypsy, but iv always had stellar success w the butique!
As well as hemp-depot frm Canada.
ozman
Member
Customs and seed delivery
Customs and seed delivery
Well I can tell you from personal experience(it ruined my life)that yes ice does communicate with the state police of other states.
ICE confiscated my seeds from the tude,thats where I just happened to order from at that time,Well it wasnt the first order they intercepted.The info was passed onto the state police where I lived at the time.Well in apprx. 3 months the Drug unit was at my place of residence,yes I was growing at home.Well after all was said and done,I was arrested,and spent several thousands of dollars on legal fees.Lost my job,had to cash in my 401k.Now 4 years later I still cant get a job that pays anything.
So its not just a part of their job,in my case yes they do talk with other state police depts about what they confiscate.
Sorry to pop your bubble like that.But I know for a fact when my seeds got intercepted,I got popped and lost everything,home,job,retirement,now Im living in a camper drawing food stamps and just basically trying to survive.Believe me Ive heard all the stories,dont grow at home,dont order seeds,dont be greedy ordering seeds,trust no one,all that jazz,but it doesnt alter the fact I got busted because of seeds coming through the mail.
Peace out everyone,and Grow Well
Customs and seed delivery
Well I can tell you from personal experience(it ruined my life)that yes ice does communicate with the state police of other states.
ICE confiscated my seeds from the tude,thats where I just happened to order from at that time,Well it wasnt the first order they intercepted.The info was passed onto the state police where I lived at the time.Well in apprx. 3 months the Drug unit was at my place of residence,yes I was growing at home.Well after all was said and done,I was arrested,and spent several thousands of dollars on legal fees.Lost my job,had to cash in my 401k.Now 4 years later I still cant get a job that pays anything.
So its not just a part of their job,in my case yes they do talk with other state police depts about what they confiscate.
Sorry to pop your bubble like that.But I know for a fact when my seeds got intercepted,I got popped and lost everything,home,job,retirement,now Im living in a camper drawing food stamps and just basically trying to survive.Believe me Ive heard all the stories,dont grow at home,dont order seeds,dont be greedy ordering seeds,trust no one,all that jazz,but it doesnt alter the fact I got busted because of seeds coming through the mail.
Peace out everyone,and Grow Well
Heusinomics
Active member
Not to doubt you in any way, jst Q. How are you so sure the seeds being pulled led to your bust?
Did it say so in the cops evidence report, or is that your assumption?
Again I'm doubting what you say! Jst Curious as many dif things can contribute to busts in non-medical areas!..
Not sure what they will tell me on CO. As I'm allowed 6plants legal- and more w my med script(expanded plant count). And I didn't physically do the shipping or mailing? So I'm not sure what they can do excep keep stealing my seeds?..
Ideas?..
Did it say so in the cops evidence report, or is that your assumption?
Again I'm doubting what you say! Jst Curious as many dif things can contribute to busts in non-medical areas!..
Not sure what they will tell me on CO. As I'm allowed 6plants legal- and more w my med script(expanded plant count). And I didn't physically do the shipping or mailing? So I'm not sure what they can do excep keep stealing my seeds?..
Ideas?..
Heusinomics
Active member
Damn iPhones and there tiny letters.
I ment to say "I'm NOT" doubting what you said! Sorry to seem insulting. I'm sure you hav faced unmeasureable frustration, and you hav both my respect and sincere condolences! Reall, it gets me a lil nervious. But like I said, I'm not sure what sort of case they can make in colorado over afew seeds?
I ment to say "I'm NOT" doubting what you said! Sorry to seem insulting. I'm sure you hav faced unmeasureable frustration, and you hav both my respect and sincere condolences! Reall, it gets me a lil nervious. But like I said, I'm not sure what sort of case they can make in colorado over afew seeds?
ozman
Member
I have been wondering that myself for a long about the legality of seed delivery in Co and Wash and all other med states.
As for my situation they(ICE) took pics of the seed packs along side the envelope,it was all in the report my lawyer got ahold of.I seen the pics and the envelope pic with my addy on it.I even did stealth thing for a while loved the stealth option,not too mention the goodies I got going that route.All the info they had dates,and pics it was in the report where ICE contacted the state police where I lived.It was hard to deny it was mine.
I did have 1 good thing happen out of it all,if you could call this good.I was charged with manf marijuana,common nusicence,paraphenelia yada yada,I would not admit to selling any,I actually gave away a lot of it,and there was no weapons involved,facing several years in the big house.My lawyer whom I hired through normal.org after talking to other lawyers first of course.It was pleaded down to possession over 30 grams,a class d felony,max of 4 years if I remember right.The plea bargain(lawyer did not think it prudent to go to jury trial)consisted of 6 months in home detention,1 year probation,and a small fine,plus court costs,then if I had everything paid off at the end of my probation,and was a good and stayed out of trouble,no sooner then3 months and no later then 6 months I could go back to court and it would be lowered down to a class a misdemeanor on my official record.SO after spending thousands of dollars on all that it ended up a misdemeanor.But it literally broke me getting it done and paying for everything.The in home detention was 17 dollars a day for the gps ankle bracelet,for 180 days,$3,060 for that.
Im not bitter about the whole thing really.I did get to keep all my genetics that was missed in house search(gotta love the fake safes)and they missed apprx 8 oz of super lemon haze smoke,and 4 oz of super skunk.If I could only find a job where I could support myself again,I will be growing again,but I will not order seeds online from overseas,now if I had a source of seeds in the states,I dont think it would worry me.
Hmmmmm.........
SO any ways they do contact the state police units at least they did for me,after my lawyer looked at the material he said do you know what this tells me ? I said no.He said it tells me the arresting officers where very well trained officers.I guess now I know where my tax money was going lol.
Peace Out all
And Happy Growing
Ps,
as far as seeds go I started growing back in early 80's with bag seed,was good dope from bag seed.
As for my situation they(ICE) took pics of the seed packs along side the envelope,it was all in the report my lawyer got ahold of.I seen the pics and the envelope pic with my addy on it.I even did stealth thing for a while loved the stealth option,not too mention the goodies I got going that route.All the info they had dates,and pics it was in the report where ICE contacted the state police where I lived.It was hard to deny it was mine.
I did have 1 good thing happen out of it all,if you could call this good.I was charged with manf marijuana,common nusicence,paraphenelia yada yada,I would not admit to selling any,I actually gave away a lot of it,and there was no weapons involved,facing several years in the big house.My lawyer whom I hired through normal.org after talking to other lawyers first of course.It was pleaded down to possession over 30 grams,a class d felony,max of 4 years if I remember right.The plea bargain(lawyer did not think it prudent to go to jury trial)consisted of 6 months in home detention,1 year probation,and a small fine,plus court costs,then if I had everything paid off at the end of my probation,and was a good and stayed out of trouble,no sooner then3 months and no later then 6 months I could go back to court and it would be lowered down to a class a misdemeanor on my official record.SO after spending thousands of dollars on all that it ended up a misdemeanor.But it literally broke me getting it done and paying for everything.The in home detention was 17 dollars a day for the gps ankle bracelet,for 180 days,$3,060 for that.
Im not bitter about the whole thing really.I did get to keep all my genetics that was missed in house search(gotta love the fake safes)and they missed apprx 8 oz of super lemon haze smoke,and 4 oz of super skunk.If I could only find a job where I could support myself again,I will be growing again,but I will not order seeds online from overseas,now if I had a source of seeds in the states,I dont think it would worry me.
Hmmmmm.........
SO any ways they do contact the state police units at least they did for me,after my lawyer looked at the material he said do you know what this tells me ? I said no.He said it tells me the arresting officers where very well trained officers.I guess now I know where my tax money was going lol.
Peace Out all
And Happy Growing
Ps,
as far as seeds go I started growing back in early 80's with bag seed,was good dope from bag seed.
oz how many seeds did they get in your snagged order?
Heusinomics
Active member
Thanks oz! Verry informative, and valueble info. With that scenario I'm sure many of us outside the green zone will think twice.
Again you hav my condolences.
Not to pry, one last Q. Do you mind saying what state you lived when this happened? As I'm sure that makes a diferance..
On a posative note, my order arrived today! Reship sent "regestered mail w/sig" on my request, bc it was the 2nd Reship.
2 orders placed in 4months. 5 shipped, 2 arived, 3 snagged in total. Not a stellar ratio. And I hav 3 copies of customs bs, 2w the same badge #. Not ideal to say the least. But iv got a killer bank of my own to work w that could b several lifetimes worth of dank.
Could be my legacy?..
Again you hav my condolences.
Not to pry, one last Q. Do you mind saying what state you lived when this happened? As I'm sure that makes a diferance..
On a posative note, my order arrived today! Reship sent "regestered mail w/sig" on my request, bc it was the 2nd Reship.
2 orders placed in 4months. 5 shipped, 2 arived, 3 snagged in total. Not a stellar ratio. And I hav 3 copies of customs bs, 2w the same badge #. Not ideal to say the least. But iv got a killer bank of my own to work w that could b several lifetimes worth of dank.
Could be my legacy?..
