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Crippy - Pre86 OG KUSH
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For the love of god everyone stay away from Progressive Options. xxxstr8edgexxx, if you don't work there you should read the next couple paragraphs and stop promoting them. They've been perptuating the broad mites and nematodes for years now and they don't care. I went in there about 4 ears ago and talked to them about my supplying cuts for the co-op and they said, "bring in some nugs with the cuts so we can verify the strain is legit." I did and sold them a tray of clones. Within about 2 minutes they were on the counter for sale and some we're being purchased while I was standing there waiting to be paid out. No inspection, no quarantine, just on the rack then out the door. I wonder how many dozens of members have done the same thing, and what condition the cuts were in.
When I left that day I took with me their Power, sour dubble, deep sleep, xxx, and a few others. I vegged the plants and they looked ok, but about a week into flower they began to herm out, and for some strange reason the cuts I took weren't really rooting properly. Finally got roots after 3weeks and the clones looked like shit. I called P.O because they were awaiting my delivery of a couple trays and people were on their waiting list. I said "sorry I can't deliver them, they are like a foot tall and look terrible and going in the trash." I also mentioned the hermies and they gave me attitude and of course said it must be a light leak. Then they replied " bring in the tall ones, we'll give you $3 each instead of $4 and we'll sell them as teens."
At this time I had never heard of broad mites and had no idea what the problem with the plants were. I assumed it was lockout from possibly contaminated nutrients. This guess of course was way off and now I have to live with the guilt of passing these things out to unsuspecting growers. I was on their website a couple months later and they had an article posted about the broad mites. They had known about them months before I came in, possibly a year or more. They knew the tall clones I sold them had been affected and they didn't care because @$15 each when they pay $4 and they don't need to grow a damn thing. I was in there last year, since I had the mites and couldn't get rid of them I thought, what the hell, try a few more. I mentioned to them that their mites wiped me out and they said, " no worries, we finally got rid of them a couple months ago." So this confirms to me 100000%they have know for years that they are ruining peoples gardens and careers. Z should be put in jail.
Yeah most of their cuts are real but good f#cking luck with that. I just had my first healthy crop after four years of hit or miss with the mites. I moved and started from seed.
Lots of the DNA OG stuff was great, had the birthmark (lol, slight mag def in OG types) and was stoney. Who gives a crap about the Hawaiian web florida crippy marketing scheme. I'm sure the seeds will be fine as OG has been S1'd a million times and is inbred enough that its fairly stable. Good luck with your campaign
In orange county and southern Ca in the 90's anything that wasn't mex was called Crypt , or crip buds. There's was no chronic, or dank, or green buds. These other foreign terms moved in with the advent of the internet. Good marketing is all about bullsh!t and hype, not lies. Hopefully your campaign is based on the former and not the latter.
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Well after rereading my post, i felt it was a couple touch negative, but I saw P.O in the text and reacted swiftly and emotionally. Here's something happy to balance things a bit 
Cheers and happy growing
Cheers and happy growing
sorry. once again i forgot to turn on my sarcasm font. i was poking fun at them for listing the crippy. its silly. they are pretty known to be the last place you wanna pick up gear and they are known for fake cuts too. it was hardly a promotion. sorry to hear about your experience. that sounds brutal. i would have a chip on my shoulder too homie. lol. that is the worst.For the love of god everyone stay away from Progressive Options. xxxstr8edgexxx, if you don't work there you should read the next couple paragraphs and stop promoting them. They've been perptuating the broad mites and nematodes for years now and they don't care. I went in there about 4 ears ago and talked to them about my supplying cuts for the co-op and they said, "bring in some nugs with the cuts so we can verify the strain is legit." I did and sold them a tray of clones. Within about 2 minutes they were on the counter for sale and some we're being purchased while I was standing there waiting to be paid out. No inspection, no quarantine, just on the rack then out the door. I wonder how many dozens of members have done the same thing, and what condition the cuts were in.
When I left that day I took with me their Power, sour dubble, deep sleep, xxx, and a few others. I vegged the plants and they looked ok, but about a week into flower they began to herm out, and for some strange reason the cuts I took weren't really rooting properly. Finally got roots after 3weeks and the clones looked like shit. I called P.O because they were awaiting my delivery of a couple trays and people were on their waiting list. I said "sorry I can't deliver them, they are like a foot tall and look terrible and going in the trash." I also mentioned the hermies and they gave me attitude and of course said it must be a light leak. Then they replied " bring in the tall ones, we'll give you $3 each instead of $4 and we'll sell them as teens."
At this time I had never heard of broad mites and had no idea what the problem with the plants were. I assumed it was lockout from possibly contaminated nutrients. This guess of course was way off and now I have to live with the guilt of passing these things out to unsuspecting growers. I was on their website a couple months later and they had an article posted about the broad mites. They had known about them months before I came in, possibly a year or more. They knew the tall clones I sold them had been affected and they didn't care because @$15 each when they pay $4 and they don't need to grow a damn thing. I was in there last year, since I had the mites and couldn't get rid of them I thought, what the hell, try a few more. I mentioned to them that their mites wiped me out and they said, " no worries, we finally got rid of them a couple months ago." So this confirms to me 100000%they have know for years that they are ruining peoples gardens and careers. Z should be put in jail.
Yeah most of their cuts are real but good f#cking luck with that. I just had my first healthy crop after four years of hit or miss with the mites. I moved and started from seed.
Lots of the DNA OG stuff was great, had the birthmark (lol, slight mag def in OG types) and was stoney. Who gives a crap about the Hawaiian web florida crippy marketing scheme. I'm sure the seeds will be fine as OG has been S1'd a million times and is inbred enough that its fairly stable. Good luck with your campaign
fuck that place.
id almost consider risking a dud and the 7 years of bad broads for that chem 91 if its the realio though lol. ive always wanted to check that cut out.
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How is everyone not tired of hearing this dude change his story every few weeks?
how does everyone have mites enough to kill plants but they can't see any of em?
I think people stopped giving a sh!t a long time ago. It's clearly out of left field for $$$.
There's lots of variables that lead growers to miss a broad mite infestation. First they're microscopic and can be easily missed with a 30x or 40x scope. When I had them it took a 100x scope before I confirmed an infestation. Also the initial stage of infestation will almost always mimic a simple deficiency or lockout and normally gets treated accordingly until it's too late. Finally it doesn't take a major infestation to ruin your day and by the time your plant is showing signs of an infestation the toxins will have already worked their way through the plant's system and it's junk for a minimum of 2 generations.
Its the Nematodes they pass out to everyone that are the real problem... Broad Mites are one and done these days with a handful of Miticides ... for real
Its the Stem Nematodes...trust me... I was the one who told "Z" he had BM... he went home...scoped his plants...and told me he saw 1000's!!!!
He even used to praise my old handle OsWizZle for saving his ass...
They are the Home of Nematodes Inc
Its the Stem Nematodes...trust me... I was the one who told "Z" he had BM... he went home...scoped his plants...and told me he saw 1000's!!!!
He even used to praise my old handle OsWizZle for saving his ass...
They are the Home of Nematodes Inc
i don't feel i'm that special, but i can see a spidermite clean across a room if it moves. up close i can see trichomes with my bare eyes enough to tell cloudy/clear/amber. i'm just not buying this broadmite infestation with nothing visible before it's too late and the plant is dead. but that's another topic for another thread. shouldn't have even said anything but i hear so many people blaming what looks like ineptitude for the most part on broad mites... just sounds like a load.
Red spotted spider mites and "broad mites" are VERY different. I held your opinion until experiencing them from buying dispensary cuts. They looked to me like nutrient tip burn at first until the plants started taking a shit. Luckily they were quarantined and didn't spread to the main garden.
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Yes, spidermites are very easy to spot and I can do all that too but spidermites are literally hundreds (if nor thousands) of times larger than broad mites. Trust me if you're not looking for it you won't see a broad mite infestation until it's too late. I have heard your exact line of reasoning from dozens of growers and every single one of them without exception has admitted they were wrong after battling BM. As a matter of fact I myself was once a denier and if you google posts made by me on other sites circa 2010/2011 you will see me doing what you're doing here. I was wrong then just like you are now.
There's almost no chance you would notice broad mites on a plant that looks like this until your entire room is shot
The monstrous creature in the picture is a white fly. The hitchhikers are Broad Mites
Yes, spidermites are very easy to spot and I can do all that too but spidermites are literally hundreds (if nor thousands) of times larger than broad mites. Trust me if you're not looking for it you won't see a broad mite infestation until it's too late. I have heard your exact line of reasoning from dozens of growers and every single one of them without exception has admitted they were wrong after battling BM. As a matter of fact I myself was once a denier and if you google posts made by me on other sites circa 2010/2011 you will see me doing what you're doing here. I was wrong then just like you are now.
So growers that have multiple cup wins under their belts are inept? World renown breeders are clueless? Seriously?
The monstrous creature in the picture is a white fly. The hitchhikers are Broad Mites
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Agreed, broad mites are a relatively easy fix as long as you know what you've got and treat them accordingly.
Not only PO but you saved a whole lot of private gardeners that have never even stepped foot inside of there, myself included. If it wasn't for you on WT and Grow Tech's thread here I would no longer be growing as I was 1 cycle away from walking away. Thanks
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StormShadow is correct. It's been the nematodes all along for me. The broads I'm sure I killed with all the evil miticides I used. After killing the mites and not seeing eggs I assumed it was the dud syndrome but the nematodes were still going strong inside the plants. Been growing for 17 years during the cannabis boom in the age of computers. I'm 34 , not an old timer. Science have proven that young people learn faster and store information better than old. Ineptitude is the last thing that causes plants to look like the picture posted by ECtraveler. If this was grower error, what caused it? Lol As a kid I sure screwed up a lot of grows and never saw anything remotely similar to this kind of damage. Growing perfect plants= decent environment and follow one of a million nutrient recipes posted online, then water with said recipe. It's not rocket science. Ineptitude, lol
My apologies xxxStr8edgexxx, I didn't catch the sarcasm, prob because some of their cuts have been very good, but yes hit or miss as far as labeling goes. P.O. is like a brothel filled with super models and beautiful A list actresses, but the downside of course is that they are all infected with AIDS. Then there's the trannies hiding in the back room. I grew a TWx? And flowered for two weeks before in found out it was a male. Their response was " oh, that came off our breeding tray. We got a few trays mixed up."
Way to go Storm on identifying the nematodes.
If anyone is interested I have an elite OG web leaf from Australia. It's from '79 and was around before the Florida crippy. I was born in 1980 but I can verify this based on stories from random stoner surfers. Man is it the crypt, or as a surfer would say, " whoa bra, looks super crippy." Lol
My apologies xxxStr8edgexxx, I didn't catch the sarcasm, prob because some of their cuts have been very good, but yes hit or miss as far as labeling goes. P.O. is like a brothel filled with super models and beautiful A list actresses, but the downside of course is that they are all infected with AIDS. Then there's the trannies hiding in the back room. I grew a TWx? And flowered for two weeks before in found out it was a male. Their response was " oh, that came off our breeding tray. We got a few trays mixed up."
Way to go Storm on identifying the nematodes.
If anyone is interested I have an elite OG web leaf from Australia. It's from '79 and was around before the Florida crippy. I was born in 1980 but I can verify this based on stories from random stoner surfers. Man is it the crypt, or as a surfer would say, " whoa bra, looks super crippy." Lol
Actually the picture I posted was from his album. I used it to illustrate the point he wouldn't likely notice the difference between that and a plant with broad mites. Also it's pretty bold to claim other growers are inept in dealing with an unknown issue when the poster in question is posting pictures like that as being normal.
*That's what my room looked like in the early stages of my infestation and attributed it at the time to a PH caused lockout.
*That's what my room looked like in the early stages of my infestation and attributed it at the time to a PH caused lockout.
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Holy smokes, really? My plants looked like that when I had root aphids. If there are no pests on that plant I do stand corrected. Ineptitude can cause plants to look terrible like that. Adjust ph and water less, but that's only a guess because I've never seen plants like that outside of ones being molested by micro critters.
i'm guessing broad mites are much smaller than trichomes? cuz if i can see tiny trichomes i'm sure i would see something that small crawling and moving around. i'm asking btw. i've seen a lot of bugs, all kinds of mites, never anything i couldn't see one of moving, certainly nothing i couldn't see a whole colony of at once as they were destroying my crops. just for sng's i googled broad mites for more pictures than that infamous microscope scan. saw a buncha pics of shitty looking plants half dead, and i saw a couple of pics of mites crawling all over plants, some from right here on this site. those mites were like much bigger than spidermites. google broad mites yourself and go to the pictures. smack in the middle of page one you should see a pic from this site. i even found a couple of pics of russet mites those things were tiny like spidermites but still visible.
all i'm saying is broad mites seems to be the new go to excuse for bad growing.
all i'm saying is broad mites seems to be the new go to excuse for bad growing.
PO IS STILL ALIVE ? Ehhhh those guys are harder to get rid of than root aphids or broad mites put together..
Its Russian plant roulette getting anything from those guys
Its Russian plant roulette getting anything from those guys
I can't take it anymore, I have to comment on this now...
Dude broad mites ARE NOT visible to the average naked eye.
If you first locate a leaf infested with broad mites with a scope, then look VERY closely (very good vision considered) you can sometimes see an ever-so-tiny speck moving. This speck will usually be a male carrying a female, as is normal behavior, so it's actually two mites combined.
Otherwise, to the average eye that isn't familiar with broad mite damage, you WON'T SEE THEM with the naked eye, and they will wreak havoc left untreated, beyond that of spider mites.
And yes they are much smaller than an average trichome. And no, unless you know what you are looking for, WITH A SCOPE, you won't see them.
Spider mites are a fucking joke compared to broads... I don't even know how people still end up with spider mites. Broad mites are much easier to treat now that we understand them better, but for you to act like BM's aren't a real thing, common, easily spread and plaguing many growers before they realize what's happening - is a ridiculous notion. To even compare them to spider mites is a joke as well. Treat for BM's proactively or reactively the way you would spider mites, and see where that gets you.
You obviously don't live in an area concentrated with growers and/or trade cuts, because you wouldn't be making such statements, acting like BM's are some mythical creature not affecting the cannabis growing paradigm.
Will somebody get this guy some broad mites so he can see for himself?
This thread is entirely a big fucking joke and this shit just needs to be binned. What the fuck has happened to IC? Just go away supadouche. Nobody believes your utter nonsense...
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