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Covid 19 mrna Vaccines...Yes/No?

Covid 19 mrna Vaccines...Yes/No?

  • yes, gimme

    Votes: 29 31.9%
  • not yet

    Votes: 15 16.5%
  • no way

    Votes: 47 51.6%

  • Total voters
    91
  • Poll closed .

armedoldhippy

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not trumpers though,he's having a spat with the malignant moron right now...

seeing Alex Jones call The Chump a "dumbass" and suggesting "maybe he's not that bright..."evokes images of "biting the hand that feeds you" only funny as hell. i would posit that Mr. Jones quite accurately (by mistake maybe) described BOTH of them...
 

Chi13

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St Vincent’s hospital in Dublin is admitting a “worrying” number of double-vaccinated patients for treatment for Covid-19, emergency department head Professor John Ryan has said.

He emphasised that just because people are double-jabbed does not mean they are immune to the virus.

“Right now, we’re seeing a significant number of breakthrough cases,” he said.

https://m.independent.ie/world-news...unwell-add-to-the-workload-woes-40775399.html

Vaccines are not 100% effective and it has not been stated anywhere that they are. However, if you get covid after being vaccinated your chances of getting really sick or dying are vastly improved.
 

armedoldhippy

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Vaccines are not 100% effective and it has not been stated anywhere that they are. However, if you get covid after being vaccinated your chances of getting really sick or dying are vastly improved.

they want 100% perfect results & money-back guarantees...which nothing in life comes with. even bacon is bad for you, so they say...despite it's obvious perfection. unbelievers! infidels! lol...
 

Absolem

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Not that long ago you were posting the same type of posts every time somebody filed a voter fraud "affidavit". Remember how excited you were over those? How many of those were proven true...........ZERO. You sure thought there would be a "voter fraud" investigation that put tRump back in office. Epic fail on your part. Now here you are once again spreading your pre packaged propaganda. Kinda sad all the stuff you post never comes true. Just a reminder. Biden is still president.

(NEW) Covid-19 vaccine adverse events in children


Dated: August 22, 2021 by Sharyl Attkisson 2 Comments






Note: Adverse events reported after vaccination are not necessarily related to vaccination; the illnesses could be coincidental. For a summary of adverse events associated with Covid-19 vaccines, click the link in the blue box below entitled "Covid-19 Vaccine Concerns Summary."
There are 18 deaths reported after Covid-19 vaccine among children aged 12-17.
That's according to the most recent data in the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Database from a search conducted by Children's Health Defense.
One of the most recent deaths reported is that of a 15-year old boy, who previously had Covid-19 but was vaccinated, anyway. He died four days after getting his second Pfizer shot and collapsing on a soccer field.
Another recent death is that of a 13-year old girl who died after suffering a heart condition after her first dose of Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine.
There were 432 reports of myocarditis and pericarditis among 12-to-17 year olds. Almost all of them were after Pfizer's vaccine. There were also 86 cases of blot clotting disorders in children, all of them after Pfizer's vaccine.
Read CDC info on Covid-19 vaccine here
From Children's Health Defense

This week’s U.S. data for 12- to 17-year-olds show:
The most recent reported deaths include a 15-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1498080) who previously had COVID, was diagnosed with cardiomyopathy in May 2021 and died four days after receiving his second dose of Pfizer’s vaccine on June 18, when he collapsed on the soccer field and went into ventricular tachycardia; and a 13-year-old girl (VAERS I.D. 1505250) who died after suffering a heart condition after receiving her first dose of Pfizer.
This week’s total U.S. VAERS data, from Dec. 14, 2020 to Aug. 13, 2021, for all age groups combined, show:
Read more in The Defense by Children's Health Defense

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/08/...s-in-children/
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Australian Truck Drivers Vow To Block Every Major Highway In Radical Anti-Lockdown Strike

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/a...ockdown-strike
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Biden Celebrates FDA Approval With Message To Unvaxxed: "The Time For You To Get Your Vaccine Is Here"

Update (1410ET): Biden kept it relatively short Monday, refusing to take questions, but still somehow remembering to urge American parents to make sure their kids are masked-up whenever they leave the house...
...and to warn American adults who have so far refused to get the vaccine: if you were waiting for full FDA approval, that time has come.
He added: "The moment you've been waiting for is here. It's time for you to go get your vaccination. And get it today. Today."

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...-audit-report/
 

TNTBudSticker

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Which part(s) of the article are full of “unscientific nonsense”? The majority of people hospitalized are VACCINATED. Their bodies are manufacturing toxic spike proteins that are also infecting others! THAT is what the “Delta Variant” is! & as more people die, the fake news media will say it’s the next variant & push MORE of the killer jabs. COVAIDS-19 still has not been isolated or purified, the PCR test doesn’t even test for any virus so there is no way to even identify it or any of the made up variant names. The fake stream media claims these variants are more contagious than others but they fail to mention they are FAR less deadly as part of their fear-porn terrorism against the people.Remember the 99% survival rate. All this nonsense over the flu which has simply been given a fancy new name: Certificate Of Vaccination ID-AI.
 

TNTBudSticker

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To combat the toxicity of the spike protein, you’ll want to optimize autophagy, which may help digest and remove the spike proteins. Time-restricted eating will upregulate autophagy, while sauna therapy, which upregulates heat shock proteins, will help refold misfolded proteins and also tag damaged proteins and target them for removal. It is important that your sauna is hot enough (around 170 degrees Fahrenheit) and does not have high magnetic or electric fields.

https://rightsfreedoms.wordpress.co...er-we-made-a-big-mistake-on-covid-19-vaccine/
 

Absolem

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The article hasn't been peer reviewed. Might be hard for some to understand. Not others. The author is also journalist and not a MD. Wouldn't you want your medical care knowledge coming from a MD over a journalist? I do.

Which part(s) of the article are full of “unscientific nonsense”? The majority of people hospitalized are VACCINATED. Their bodies are manufacturing toxic spike proteins that are also infecting others! THAT is what the “Delta Variant” is! & as more people die, the fake news media will say it’s the next variant & push MORE of the killer jabs. COVAIDS-19 still has not been isolated or purified, the PCR test doesn’t even test for any virus so there is no way to even identify it or any of the made up variant names. The fake stream media claims these variants are more contagious than others but they fail to mention they are FAR less deadly as part of their fear-porn terrorism against the people.Remember the 99% survival rate. All this nonsense over the flu which has simply been given a fancy new name: Certificate Of Vaccination ID-AI.
 

Doctor M

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Today:
India COVID death rate per M: 0.25
Israel COVID death rate per M: 2.9

India vax rate: 9%
Israel vax rate: 80%


​​​​​​Vaccinated people are presymptomatic superspreaders. Vaccinated carry 250 times the viral load of unvaccinated. Data appears in The Lancet in preprint paper from Oxford University. If you're not vaccinated, it's a good idea to stay clear of the vaccinated.
 

Doctor M

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FDA approval?

CRITICAL Info from FDA: Only the branded vaccine bottles that say "Comirnaty" are licensed and Pfizer is liable for injuries. The other vials are "authorized" and Pfizer has *no liability*. Authorized vials cannot be mandated. Which will you be offered? USG 3 card Monty here?

​​​​​​The FDA approved vaccine isn't the vaccine they are using because no immunity from suit for the FDA approved vaccine. It's a game the Biden admin is playing around mandates & trying to moot lawsuits about the EUA vaccines.



I think many on the left were excited the FDA bypassed protocols and rules to supposedly give Pfizer's covid shot approval. But many things like high fructose corn syrup are FDA approved. I like how the left suddenly worships the government and big pharma due to the media induced, PCR test enabled fear porn campaign.

BTW the WHO tacitly admits one year later that ALL PCR tests conducted at a 35 cycle amplification threshold (Ct) or higher are INVALID. But that is what they recommended in January 2020, in consultation with the virology team at Charité Hospital in Berlin.

What this admission of the WHO confirms is that the estimate of covid positive from a PCR test (with an amplification threshold of 35 cycles or higher) is invalid.

cases cases cases they cried.....

​​​​​​One-Third Of New Drugs Had Safety Problems After FDA Approval

​​​​​​https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...r-fda-approval
 

Doctor M

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Vaccines are not 100% effective and it has not been stated anywhere that they are. However, if you get covid after being vaccinated your chances of getting really sick or dying are vastly improved.

Yeah remember that time you got your polio booster or a Rubella booster every 6 - 8 months?

Ummmmm 60% of Covid deaths in Claark County, NV are vaccinated. Might want to take a look at the covid hospitalization and death data coming from Israel or just keep repeating Fauci/media talking points.
 

Chi13

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ICMag Donor
Today:
India COVID death rate per M: 0.25
Israel COVID death rate per M: 2.9

India vax rate: 9%
Israel vax rate: 80%


​​​​​​Vaccinated people are presymptomatic superspreaders. Vaccinated carry 250 times the viral load of unvaccinated. Data appears in The Lancet in preprint paper from Oxford University. If you're not vaccinated, it's a good idea to stay clear of the vaccinated.

I call bullshit. Got a link?
I live in a city of over 3 million where we have zero covid cases and a good portion of the populations vaccinated, including myself. If vaccinated were superspreaders, covid would be everywhere.
 

Doctor M

Active member
The data and peer reviewed science required to blow huge holes in this covid shame are easier to find than original C99 seeds.



VERY VERY IMPORTANT PAPER OUT OF JAPAN SUGGESTS DELTA IS MUTATING IN A WAY THAT MAY SOON PRODUCE ADE TO THE PFIZER VACCINE THROUGH NTD MUTATIONS AND BOOSTERS MAY MAKE THE PROBLEM WORSE

​​​​​​https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...114v1.full.pdf



​​​​​​




​​​​​​Canadian mannequin study finds mask filtration efficiencies of:
Cloth: 10%
Blue disposable: 12%
Fitted KN95: 46%
Fitted R95: 60%
KN95 with 3mm gaps: 3%

Even modest ventilation (2 air changes per hour) outperforms best mask.

​​​​​​https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0057100





​​​​​​Dr. Bhakdi is one of the most cited research scientists in German history, former professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene, with expertise in vaccinations.

He is very clear on his expert view of the untested vaccinations that are being pushed world wide without proper trials: “It is our duty to aggressively inform people about the dangers that they are subjecting themselves and their loved ones to by this ‘vaccination.”

“Gene-based vaccines are an absolute danger to mankind and their use at present violates the Nuremberg codex, such that everyone who is propagating their use should be put before tribunal.”

“Especially the vaccination of children is something that is so criminal that I have no words to express my horror … We are horribly worried that there’s going to be an impact on fertility. And this will be seen in years or decades from now. And this is potentially one of the greatest crimes, simply one of the greatest crimes imaginable.”







A preprint paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group, published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3897733






​​​​​​
CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky claimed “over 97% of people who are entering the hospital right now are unvaccinated.”

​​​​​​As it turns out, to achieve those statistics, the CDC included hospitalization and mortality data from January through June 2021. It does not include more recent data or data related to the Delta variant, which is now the most prevalent strain in circulation. The problem is, the vast majority of the U.S.population was unvaccinated during that timeframe.

​​​​​​By using statistics from a time period when the U.S. as a whole was largely unvaccinated, the CDC is now claiming we’re in a “pandemic of the unvaccinated".
 

Doctor M

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I call bullshit. Got a link?
I live in a city of over 3 million where we have zero covid cases and a good portion of the populations vaccinated, including myself. If vaccinated were superspreaders, covid would be everywhere.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I knew I'd bait someone in to demands for a source. Like shootin fish in a barrel.

You want to challenge me on the massive pile of data and peer reviewed science you'll have to do better than demanding a source cause I got a shit ton of source material.


Now let's see you "debunk" it.
 

Chi13

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ICMag Donor
The data and peer reviewed science required to blow huge holes in this covid shame are easier to find than original C99 seeds.



VERY VERY IMPORTANT PAPER OUT OF JAPAN SUGGESTS DELTA IS MUTATING IN A WAY THAT MAY SOON PRODUCE ADE TO THE PFIZER VACCINE THROUGH NTD MUTATIONS AND BOOSTERS MAY MAKE THE PROBLEM WORSE

​​​​​​https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...114v1.full.pdf



​​​​​​




​​​​​​Canadian mannequin study finds mask filtration efficiencies of:
Cloth: 10%
Blue disposable: 12%
Fitted KN95: 46%
Fitted R95: 60%
KN95 with 3mm gaps: 3%

Even modest ventilation (2 air changes per hour) outperforms best mask.

​​​​​​https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0057100





​​​​​​Dr. Bhakdi is one of the most cited research scientists in German history, former professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene, with expertise in vaccinations.

He is very clear on his expert view of the untested vaccinations that are being pushed world wide without proper trials: “It is our duty to aggressively inform people about the dangers that they are subjecting themselves and their loved ones to by this ‘vaccination.”

“Gene-based vaccines are an absolute danger to mankind and their use at present violates the Nuremberg codex, such that everyone who is propagating their use should be put before tribunal.”

“Especially the vaccination of children is something that is so criminal that I have no words to express my horror … We are horribly worried that there’s going to be an impact on fertility. And this will be seen in years or decades from now. And this is potentially one of the greatest crimes, simply one of the greatest crimes imaginable.”







A preprint paper by the prestigious Oxford University Clinical Research Group, published Aug. 10 in The Lancet, found vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=3897733






​​​​​​
CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky claimed “over 97% of people who are entering the hospital right now are unvaccinated.”

​​​​​​As it turns out, to achieve those statistics, the CDC included hospitalization and mortality data from January through June 2021. It does not include more recent data or data related to the Delta variant, which is now the most prevalent strain in circulation. The problem is, the vast majority of the U.S.population was unvaccinated during that timeframe.

​​​​​​By using statistics from a time period when the U.S. as a whole was largely unvaccinated, the CDC is now claiming we’re in a “pandemic of the unvaccinated".

So, from your first link it clearly states is not peer reviewed, nor does it say that vaccinated are superspreaders which you claim. It also says:
"Preprints available here are not Lancet publications or necessarily under review with a Lancet journal. These preprints are early stage research papers that have not been peer-reviewed. The findings should not be used for clinical or public health decision making and should not be presented to a lay audience without highlighting that they are preliminary and have not been peer-reviewed."
 

Chi13

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ICMag Donor
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I knew I'd bait someone in to demands for a source. Like shootin fish in a barrel.

You want to challenge me on the massive pile of data and peer reviewed science you'll have to do better than demanding a source cause I got a shit ton of source material.


Now let's see you "debunk" it.

Really? I just did as the last two you presented were not peer reviewed. I am still waiting on you to present evidence of the highlighted statement which was what I called bullshit on. I will remind you what you said if you like; "​​​​​​Vaccinated people are presymptomatic superspreaders."

Please, keep baiting.

:shark:
 

Amynamous

Active member
Which part(s) of the article are full of “unscientific nonsense”? The majority of people hospitalized are VACCINATED. Their bodies are manufacturing toxic spike proteins that are also infecting others! THAT is what the “Delta Variant” is! & as more people die, the fake news media will say it’s the next variant & push MORE of the killer jabs. COVAIDS-19 still has not been isolated or purified, the PCR test doesn’t even test for any virus so there is no way to even identify it or any of the made up variant names. The fake stream media claims these variants are more contagious than others but they fail to mention they are FAR less deadly as part of their fear-porn terrorism against the people.Remember the 99% survival rate. All this nonsense over the flu which has simply been given a fancy new name: Certificate Of Vaccination ID-AI.

The overwhelming majority of people hospitalized with covid in the US are UNVACCINATED.
The overwhelming majority of people that died from covid in the US are UNVACCINATED.

The numbers are on the CDC website for all to see

PS. The mortality rate in the US is 1.8% and 2.1% globally.
 

Chi13

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ICMag Donor
The data and peer reviewed science required to blow huge holes in this covid shame are easier to find than original C99 seeds.


​​​​​​Dr. Bhakdi is one of the most cited research scientists in German history, former professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene, with expertise in vaccinations.

He is very clear on his expert view of the untested vaccinations that are being pushed world wide without proper trials: “It is our duty to aggressively inform people about the dangers that they are subjecting themselves and their loved ones to by this ‘vaccination.”

“Gene-based vaccines are an absolute danger to mankind and their use at present violates the Nuremberg codex, such that everyone who is propagating their use should be put before tribunal.”

“Especially the vaccination of children is something that is so criminal that I have no words to express my horror … We are horribly worried that there’s going to be an impact on fertility. And this will be seen in years or decades from now. And this is potentially one of the greatest crimes, simply one of the greatest crimes imaginable.”
As for this one? Your Dr Bhakdi sounds like a nutter.

FACT CHECKFact check: COVID-19 vaccines don’t cause death, won’t decimate world’s population

Daniel Funke
USA TODAY

The claim: Coronavirus vaccines are killing people and will decimate the world’s population

Several widely shared videos and blog posts on Facebook say the COVID-19 vaccines are a matter of life and death – but not because of the risk of the disease.

In an article published April 22 and later taken down, a website called Red Pill University (a reference to the baseless QAnon conspiracy theory) wrote that COVID-19 vaccines “will decimate world’s population.” As evidence, it cites a video featuring Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi.

Bhakdi is a microbiologist who has promoted ideas that run counter to the scientific consensus about the coronavirus pandemic, including the claim that face masks don’t protect against infection. In the video, which originally was published by the New American, a conservative magazine, Bhakdi says COVID-19 vaccines are deadly.

“They are forcing vaccination on people, and I believe they are killing people with this vaccination,” he says during the video, which has more than 268,000 views on Rumble, a video-sharing platform.

“Guys, don’t get a third or fourth or fifth (shot), because if you do that, you are going to contribute to the decimation of the world’s population,” he says later.

Over the course of the 40-minute clip, Bhakdi calls the pandemic “a fake,” says wearing masks and quarantining is “absolutely ridiculous nonsense,” and coronavirus tests don’t work. In this fact-check, we’re focusing on the claim that COVID-19 vaccines are killing people.

That claim sounds scary coming from a scientist, but it's not accurate.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has approved three coronavirus vaccines for emergency use in the United States. Clinical trials involving tens of thousands of participants found the vaccines were safe and effective at preventing coronavirus infection, and millions of Americans have safely received them.
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There’s no evidence the vaccines cause death, or that they will depopulate the planet – and clear evidence to the contrary.

USA TODAY reached out to Red Pill University and the New American for comment.
Coronavirus vaccines are safe, effective

The three COVID-19 vaccines approved for emergency use in the U.S. are one from Pfizer-BioNTech, one from Moderna and one from Janssen, a pharmaceutical company owned by Johnson & Johnson. Public health officials say all are safe and effective at preventing COVID-19.

Over the course of several months in 2020, more than 100,000 people participated in clinical trials for the coronavirus vaccines as a group. None of those trials found that the vaccines caused death. The FDA approved the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines in December and the Johnson & Johnson’s vaccine in February.

Fact check:No, interacting with a vaccinated person won't cause miscarriage or menstrual changes

Since then, more than 144 million Americans have received at least one vaccine dose, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

If the vaccines were as deadly as Bhakdi says, we would surely see widespread and mounting deaths in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), a federally managed database of self-reported vaccine side effects. There are reports of vaccine-related deaths in the VAERS database, but because anyone – from doctors and nurses to patients and parents – can submit cases, the CDC says those reports are unverified and may be inaccurate.

Fact check:CDC data on adverse effects of vaccine cannot determine cause

“COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective,” the CDC says on its website. “To date, VAERS has not detected patterns in cause of death that would indicate a safety problem with COVID-19 vaccines.”
No evidence of autoimmune responses

Bhakdi says in the video that the vaccines can kill people by causing autoimmune responses. He says that’s because messenger RNA (mRNA) “packages” – genetic strands in the Pfizer and Moderna shots that tell your body how to defend itself against the coronavirus – don’t leave the bloodstream and could cause your immune system to attack healthy cells.

That’s wrong on both fronts.
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Fact-checkers have repeatedly debunked the notion that COVID-19 vaccines cause autoimmune disorders. There is no evidence to suggest they do, and Bhakdi’s rationale for the claim – that mRNA never leaves the bloodstream – isn’t accurate. Here’s how it works:

When someone receives a vaccine from Pfizer or Moderna, mRNA strands program cells to produce spike proteins similar to those on the surface of the coronavirus. The body recognizes those proteins as invaders and produces antibodies to block them. Those antibodies prevent future coronavirus infections.

Once that process is completed, mRNA doesn’t linger in the bloodstream.

Fact check:FDA did not associate Pfizer's first vaccine dose with COVID-19 infections

“The cell breaks down and gets rid of the mRNA soon after it is finished using the instructions,” the CDC says on its website.
Blood clot cases extremely rare

According to Bhakdi, another way COVID-19 vaccines are killing people is through the formation of deadly blood clots. That’s an inaccurate spin on recent news about the Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

In mid-April, the CDC and the FDA recommended a pause in Johnson & Johnson shots after six cases of a rare type of blood clot were reported in women ages 18 to 48 among the nearly 7 million people who received the Johnson & Johnson vaccine at the time. One woman in Virginia died.

Fact check:CDC recommends masks in most cases even after COVID-19 vaccine

After a review of the vaccine’s safety, public health officials recommended April 23 that Johnson & Johnson shots resume nationwide.

“A review of all available data at this time shows that the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine’s known and potential benefits outweigh its known and potential risks,” the CDC says on its website. “However, women younger than 50 years old especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event and that there are other COVID-19 vaccine options available for which this risk has not been seen.”
Our rating: False

The claim that coronavirus vaccines are killing people and will decimate the world’s population is FALSE, based on our research. Public health officials say all three coronavirus vaccines approved for emergency use in the U.S. are safe and effective at preventing infection. There is no evidence the vaccines cause deadly autoimmune disorders, and reports of blood clots following the Johnson & Johnson vaccine are extremely rare.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...et/7411271002/
 

Amynamous

Active member
​​​​​​CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky claimed “over 97% of people who are entering the hospital right now are unvaccinated.”

​​​​​​As it turns out, to achieve those statistics, the CDC included hospitalization and mortality data from January through June 2021. It does not include more recent data or data related to the Delta variant, which is now the most prevalent strain in circulation. The problem is, the vast majority of the U.S.population was unvaccinated during that timeframe.

​​​​​​By using statistics from a time period when the U.S. as a whole was largely unvaccinated, the CDC is now claiming we’re in a “pandemic of the unvaccinated".

I’ve been tracking the covid hospitalization and covid death numbers from the CDC on a weekly basis since June.
I compare the vaccinated and the unvaccinated numbers.
US covid deaths are averaging 5% vaccinated and 95% unvaccinated and have been since June.
Hospitalizations percentages are even less.
My plants could use what you’re shoveling.
 

BudToaster

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Veteran
i heard it today on Morning Joe, msnbc, from Osterholm, that there are NO deaths due to vaccination - that 6700 number is an internet rumor.
 

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