Covid 19 mrna Vaccines...Yes/No?

[unclefishstick]

You're better at one-liners. Still waiting on your receipts, Henny. Oh yeah, you said I'd discredit them.

here you go,i get my science news from physics.org
http://phys.org

it's a sort of dummyfied sciences grab bag site that gather news from across many disciplines and explains the abstracts from published papers

 

[Vash]

You've obviously made up your mind so is there any point? I get my information from university, research, or educational sites such as these:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...eases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe
https://blog.csiro.au/why-get-vaccinated/
https://www.health.harvard.edu/covid-19/covid-19-vaccines

Vaccines aren't perfect nor are they perfectly safe. It's pretty clear that the risks you take by getting vaccinated far outweigh any potential dangers from covid.

What's pretty clear to me is that we all know that the CDC numbers are skewed. When the survival rate from covid is over 99% and the efficacy of the vaccine is less than that, what's the need.
The links you listed provide no real data, plus we all know these major institutions are funded by Uncle Sammy.

 

[Vash]

here you go,i get my science news from physics.org
http://phys.org

it's a sort of dummyfied sciences grab bag site that gather news from across many disciplines and explains the abstracts from published papers

ok, good boy. You provided where you get your info. Provide me with the specific links to your argument. I don't like to research.
Oh btw, regarding your pro tip - Does horse paste really taste better on a ritz?

 

[Microbeman]

As in the past, you have attempted to criticize any info presented if YOU don't personally qualify the originator. First, who qualifies you?, Secondly, you don't know the speaker from Adam, yet you have the nerve to call him an "idiot". You have zero respect, so no respect will be given. There's another video I posted of a PA talking to the school board. Let me hear what you have to say about that. No one wants to touch that one.


https://rumble.com/vks2t2-parent-tea...ut-covid..html

Where did I say idiot? receipts?????
https://heavy.com/news/dr-sean-brooks-phd-oxford-ohio-video/
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/08/20/sean-brooks/
https://meaww.com/who-is-dr-sean-br...ing-video-goes-viral-twitter-thinks-hes-a-doc

 

[unclefishstick]

ok, good boy. You provided where you get your info. Provide me with the specific links to your argument. I don't like to research.
Oh btw, regarding your pro tip - Does horse paste really taste better on a ritz?

i'm gonna bring back my point about it being pointless aside from pointing out you did just say you don't like to research which explains the bitchute video...

i have no idea what it taste like,i'm not a horse,and i don't have worms

 

[Gry]

Here again, we have a person who has the audacity to judge character instead of content. If he's egotistical, what does that make you - judgmental? It's inarguable. Instead of spewing disdain, show me some of your receipts.

It is incumbent upon the individual making an extraordinary claim to provide proof of a similar caliber.

 

[Chi13]

What's pretty clear to me is that we all know that the CDC numbers are skewed. When the survival rate from covid is over 99% and the efficacy of the vaccine is less than that, what's the need.
The links you listed provide no real data, plus we all know these major institutions are funded by Uncle Sammy.

Strange, because my second link was from the CSIRO, an Australian organisation that is certainly not funded by Uncle Sam. There are other countries in the world that have covid and are capable of doing their own research.

You say the CDC numbers are skewed but dont provide evidence? What of numbers that come from other counties?
But really it is pointless arguing with someone who has their mind made up, and does not post anything of substance to back it up.

 

[Amynamous]

What's pretty clear to me is that we all know that the CDC numbers are skewed.skewed? How so? The numbers come directly from the DOH of reporting states.
When the survival rate from covid is over 99% The global mortality rate of covid 2% and 1.8% in the US
and the efficacy of the vaccine is less than that, huh?!
what's the need. huh?!
The links you listed provide no real data, plus we all know these major institutions are funded by Uncle Sammy.

All you have is baseless opinions and random morons on video spouting bs.
I’m guessing you were never on the debate team in high school.

 

[Gry]

What's pretty clear to me is that we all know that the CDC numbers are skewed. When the survival rate from covid is over 99% and the efficacy of the vaccine is less than that, what's the need.
The links you listed provide no real data, plus we all know these major institutions are funded by Uncle Sammy.

You are the one who provides hollow claims and nothing of value.
With your closing statement, you demonstrate once again that
you are not to be taken seriously.

 

[Vash]

Where did I say idiot? receipts?????
https://heavy.com/news/dr-sean-brooks-phd-oxford-ohio-video/
https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2021/08/20/sean-brooks/
https://meaww.com/who-is-dr-sean-br...ing-video-goes-viral-twitter-thinks-hes-a-doc

Need I say more.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/heavy/

 

[Vash]

All you have is baseless opinions and random morons on video spouting bs.
I’m guessing you were never on the debate team in high school.

Oooopppsss.....another Koolaid drinker among us. Comin' in rather hot there, ain't ya' fella?. And your expertise is what, kind sir? Calling people in the medical field "morons" and "spouting bs" only qualifies you as a judgmental prick. Care to debate THAT?

 

[Microbeman]

Need I say more.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/heavy/

why i put all i could find. refute it.

 

[Amynamous]

Oooopppsss.....another Koolaid drinker among us. Comin' in rather hot there, ain't ya' fella?. And your expertise is what, kind sir? Calling people in the medical field "morons" and "spouting bs" only qualifies you as a judgmental prick. Care to debate THAT?

Ive been called worse.
Koolaid drinker…nope. While I do not pretend to be an expert on anything, i have taken enough science and math classes in college to understand some basics and have worked in the front lines of healthcare in a variety of capacities as a nurse.

I don’t watch videos for “news”. I read. If i do not understand, or question what is being stated, i can follow their sources and make a better determination as to what is true and not true. Prior to retiring, one of my responsibilities as work was to read and digest medical and nursing journals, and make recommendations about our(the hospital’s) clinical practices and policies. Again, I don’t pretend to be an expert, but i can read/comprehend complex medical and scientific writing and engage in critical thinking.

If you would like to engage in serious debate, i am happy to oblige. But thus far, your words and actions suggest you have no real interest in debate/discussion.
Anyone who wishes to discuss science or math should be prepared to back up their statements with verifiable facts, and not some random person in a video.
Seems you are more inclined to stirring the pot and generating confusion rather than actually debating.

EditS- i listened to 3 minutes of “PA” dude and stopped when he said that handwashing doesn’t stop the spread of disease. lol

 

[Vash]

i'm gonna bring back my point about it being pointless aside from pointing out you did just say you don't like to research which explains the bitchute video...

i have no idea what it taste like,i'm not a horse,and i don't have worms

Well it was YOUR pro tip. What that tells me is you speak of things you know nothing about. (Hint hint)

 

[Vash]

Ive been called worse.
Koolaid drinker…nope. While I do not pretend to be an expert on anything, i have taken enough science and math classes in college to understand some basics and have worked in the front lines of healthcare in a variety of capacities as a nurse.

I don’t watch videos for “news”. I read. If i do not understand, or question what is being stated, i can follow their sources and make a better determination as to what is true and not true. Prior to retiring, one of my responsibilities as work was to read and digest medical and nursing journals, and make recommendations about our(the hospital’s) clinical practices and policies. Again, I don’t pretend to be an expert, but i can read/comprehend complex medical and scientific writing and engage in critical thinking.

If you would like to engage in serious debate, i am happy to oblige. But thus far, your words and actions suggest you have no real interest in debate/discussion.
Anyone who wishes to discuss science or math should be prepared to back up their statements with verifiable facts, and not some random person in a video.
Seems you are more inclined to stirring the pot and generating confusion rather than actually debating.

EditS- i listened to 3 minutes of “PA” dude and stopped when he said that handwashing doesn’t stop the spread of disease. lol

So let me get this straight....reading has more meaning that watching a vid? Interesting. No debate is needed really because at the end of the day one is going to believe what they want. Again, I'm not drinking the Koolaid no matter what the "experts" in this thread believe. There's tons of information out here that goes against the narrative. Not going to do the research for you. I've listed enough, only to be discredited by a group of "medical specialists" who profess to know what's going on. I'll end it with this......"It's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled "- MARK TWAIN.

 

[trichrider]

VAERS Update – Latest Report Eclipses 13,000 Deaths & Nears 600,000 Adverse Events

The mainstream media and medical overlords will never honestly discuss the VAERS reporting system.

Even though research indicates the system vastly underreports vaccine-related adverse events, the numbers continue to grow for the experimental COVID-19 jabs.

The latest updates now report 13,000+ post-vaccine deaths to the experimental jabs.

However, I’d like to remind readers this is only what the federal government allows us to see.

Trending: Visual Display of What the mRNA Vaccine Does To Your Body’s Cells…

According to a CDC whistleblower in Thomas Renz’s lawsuit, a different reporting system showed 45,000 post-vaccine deaths.

That number is likely higher by now.

Even if we only use the publicly accessible VAERS report, the numbers are still shocking.

We eclipsed the grounds to end this medical experiment long ago.

Yet, the government keeps pushing and pushing to get more shots into arms.

In under a year, more than 500,000 post-COVID vaccine injuries have been reported to VAERS — nearly a third of all reports accumulated over the system’s entire three-decade lifespan — yet regulatory agencies remain silent.https://t.co/y8dgNkNgpg

— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) August 13, 2021​

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13,000 Deaths, Nearly 600,000 Adverse Events Reported After COVID Vaccines, as Debate Heats Up Over…
VAERS data released Friday by the CDC showed a total of 595,622 reports of adverse events from all age groups following COVID vaccines,

— feather (@oohincensed) August 21, 2021​

8-20-21 “NYT reporting FDA aims for full approval of Pfizer shot on Monday – VAERS reports of 595,000 injuries including 13,000 deaths and 81,500 serious injuries be damned.”https://t.co/rQRvSJhskU pic.twitter.com/wy55gc4USr




— valeriehoughton (@valeriehoughton) August 21, 2021​

Almost 600,000 reports to #VAERS
Closing in on 13,000 deaths#NoVaccineMandates #NoVaccinePassports https://t.co/n3Z4dvcFnN

— Leah Erin (@Leaherin74) August 19, 2021​

The Defender broke down the numbers:

Data released today by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) showed that between Dec. 14, 2020 and Aug. 13, 2021, a total of 595,622 total adverse events were reported to VAERS, including 13,068 deaths — an increase of 702 over the previous week.

There were 81,050 reports of serious injuries, including deaths, during the same time period — up 10,945 compared with the previous week.

Excluding “foreign reports” filed in VAERS, 464,769 adverse events, including 6,018 deaths and 37,806 serious injuries, were reported in the U.S. Of the 6,018 U.S. deaths reported as of Aug. 13, 13% occurred within 24 hours of vaccination, 19% occurred within 48 hours of vaccination and 33% occurred in people who experienced an onset of symptoms within 48 hours of being vaccinated.

In the U.S., 354.5 million COVID vaccine doses had been administered as of Aug. 13. This includes: 141 million doses of Moderna’s vaccine, 199 million doses of Pfizer and 14 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) COVID vaccine.
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cont.

This week’s U.S. data for 12- to 17-year-olds show:

• 17,025 total adverse events, including 1,018 rated as serious and 18 reported deaths. Two of the eighteen deaths were suicides.
• The most recent reported deaths include a 15-year-old boy (VAERS I.D. 1498080) who previously had COVID, was diagnosed with cardiomyopathy in May 2021 and died four days after receiving his second dose of Pfizer’s vaccine on June 18, when he collapsed on the soccer field and went into ventricular tachycardia; and a 13-year-old girl (VAERS I.D. 1505250) who died after suffering a heart condition after receiving her first dose of Pfizer.
• Other deaths include two 13-year-old boys (VAERS I.D. 1406840 and 1431289) who died two days after receiving a Pfizer vaccine, a 13-year-old boy who died after receiving Moderna (VAERS I.D. 1463061), three 15-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1187918, 1382906 and 1242573), five 16-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1420630, 1466009, 1225942, 1475434, and 1386841) and three 17-year-olds (VAERS I.D. 1199455, 1388042 and 1420762).
• 2,525 reports of anaphylaxis among 12- to 17-year-olds with 99% of cases
  attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine.
• 432 reports of myocarditis and pericarditis (heart inflammation) with 426 cases attributed to Pfizer’s vaccine.
• 86 reports of blood clotting disorders, with all cases attributed to Pfizer.

Despite the shocking numbers, the Biden Administration is pushing full force for booster shots.

They want to administer boosters for most Americans eight months after their second dose for the experimental mRNA shots.

*U.S. RECOMMENDS GIVING BOOSTER SHOT OF PFIZER, MODERNA VACCINES
*U.S. RECOMMENDS AMERICANS GET BOOSTERS 8 MONTHS AFTER 2ND DOSE

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) August 18, 2021​

US to recommend COVID-19 vaccine booster shots 8 months post-vaccination https://t.co/DEXYhbmY2N




— Live Science (@LiveScience) August 17, 2021​

If millions of Americans line up for boosters, expect the VAERS reports to spike.

However, they’ll likely hide the real numbers from the public.

https://welovetrump.com/2021/08/21/v...dverse-events/

 

[trichrider]

Official Data shows many more people have died due to the Covid-19 Vaccines in 8 months than people who have died of Covid-19 in 18 months

By Daily Expose on August 21, 2021 • ( 14 Comments )

There can no longer be any doubt that the Covid-19 injections are more deadly than the alleged Covid-19 virus itself thanks to a raft of official Public Health and Government data available, confirming more people have died due to the Covid-19 vaccine in 8 months than people who have died of Covid-19 in 18 months.

NHS data for England shows that since March 2020 up to the 12th August 2021 a total of 3,743 people have allegedly died of Covid-19 who had no other pre-existing conditions which include dementia, chronic kidney disease, chronic pulmonary disease, chronic neurological disease, and heart disease.

Whilst official data provided by the National Records of Scotland (NRS) shows that just 704 people have died of Covid-19 in the whole of Scotland who had no other pre-existing conditions between March 2020 and July 31st 2021.

However, data released by Public Health Scotland shows that between the 8th December 2020 and 11th June 2021 a total of 5,522 people died within 28 days of having a Covid-19 injection with 1,827 deaths being due to the Pfizer jab, 3,643 deaths being due to the AstraZeneca jab, and 2 deaths being due to the Moderna jab.

This means that in just 6 months nearly 8 times as many people died within 28 days of having a Covid-19 vaccine than people who died of Covid-19 (704 deaths) in 18 months in Scotland. Whilst 1.5 times as many people died within 28 days of having a Covid-19 vaccine in Scotland than the number of people who have died of Covid-19 (3,743 deaths) in 18 months in England.

Even when adding the number of people who have died of Covid-19 in both England and Scotland together; which comes to 4,447 deaths in 18 months, there have still been 1,075 more deaths within 28 days of having a Covid-19 vaccine in Scotland.

Public Health England have so far refused to publish the number of deaths within 28 days of a having a Covid-19 vaccine in England, claiming they do not hold the data despite their counterparts in Scotland being able to provide it.

But based on the number of deaths seen in Scotland and adjusting to the population for England we estimate that the number could have been as high as 57,470 in England by the 11th June 2021.

There are of course those that will argue that using the number of deaths within 28 days of having a Covid-19 vaccine does not mean the person died due to the Covid-19 vaccine. They are of course correct, but these will be the same people that believe a death that has occurred within 28 days of a positive Covid-19 test is definitely a Covid-19 death.

Which is why we’d like to point these people to the data provided by the MHRA Yellow Card scheme, which shows more people have died due to the Covid-19 vaccines in 8 months than the number of people who have died of Covid-19 in the whole of Scotland in 18 months.

As of the 11th August there have been 293,779 adverse reactions and 501 deaths reported to the MHRA against the Pfizer mRNA injection.

As well as 813,622 adverse reactions and 1,053 deaths reported to the MHRA against the AstraZeneca viral vector injection.

The Moderna mRNA injection meanwhile has caused at least 41,274 adverse reactions and 14 deaths as of the 11th August 2021. This vaccine has also mainly been administered to younger adults who are least at risk of suffering debilitating disease if infected with Covid-19. Around 1.4 million people have received the Moderna jab which means at least 1 in every 33 people have suffered and adverse reaction and at least 1 in every 100,000 people have sadly died.

The overall number of deaths due to all three jabs now stands at 1,596 when including the 28 deaths that have been reported where the brand of vaccine was not specified.

Therefore 892 more people have died due to the Covid-19 vaccine in the UK in 8 months than people who have died of Covid-19 in Scotland in 18 months.

But it’s also important to remember that the MHRA have stated just 10% of serious adverse reactions are reported to the MHRA Yellow Card scheme.

Therefore that official number could be as high as 15,960 meaning thousands more have died due to the Covid-19 vaccine than have died of Covid-19 in the whole of the UK.

It doesn’t matter which way you look at it, the official data is now clear. The Covid-19 vaccines are more deadly than the alleged Covid-19 virus itself, and that is precisely why Public Health England refuse to publish the number of deaths that have occurred within 28 days of having a Covid-19 vaccine.

https://dailyexpose.co.uk/2021/08/2...eople-who-have-died-of-covid-19-in-18-months/

 

[trichrider]

Stephen Lendman -- Israel Proves Vaccinations Cause Covid

August 21, 2021

Israel is one of the world's most highly jabbed countries for protection against flu/covid -- not gotten.

On Monday, Haaretz reported that over 78% of Israelis were jabbed.

Yet outbreaks in the country are surging, mostly among jabbed Israelis.

The number of serious cases is at six-month high.

Efforts to contain outbreaks by booster jabs made a bad situation worse.

Jabs greatly increase the risk of contracting the viral illness, not the other way around.

Flu/Covid Outbreaks Surge in Mass-Jabbed Israel and Elsewhere

by Stephen Lendman

The CDC calls Israel a high-risk country -- US citizens advised against travelling there.

On Thursday, Haaretz said Israeli doctors are 'buckling under the load" of flu/covid outbreaks as "calls from patients soar."

Family doctors have been "pushed...to the brink of crisis."

The same applies to overloaded Israeli hospitals.

The remedy not taken is cessation of jabbing...

Nobel laureate virologist Luc Montagnier, left, explained health destruction from jabs.

Instead of protecting against flu/covid, they're "feed(ing) (and spreading) the virus," he said.

What he called an "unacceptable mistake...a scientific (and) medical error" continues with reckless abandon.

"(H)istory...will show that (jabbing) create(s) variants" -- future ones perhaps to be resistant to current treatments.

It's a phenomenon called Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) that enables a virus to enter cells and worsen disease.

It's happening in the virus that causes flu/covid.

Montagnier refuses to be jabbed with what he knows harms health.

By letter to Israeli Supreme Court justices, he called for suspending mass-jabbing, saying the following:

"I would like to summarize the potential dangers of these vaccines in a mass vaccination policy."

"1. Short-term side effects: these are not the normal local reactions found for any vaccination, but serious reactions involve the life of the recipient such as anaphylactic shock linked to a component of the vaccine mixture, or severe allergies or an autoimmune reaction up to cell aplasia."

"2. Lack of vaccine protection:"

"2.1 Induction of facilitating antibodies - the induced antibodies do not neutralize a viral infection, but on the contrary facilitate it depending on the recipient."

"The latter may have already been exposed to the virus asymptomatically."

"A low level of naturally induced antibodies may compete with the antibodies induced by the vaccine."

"2.2 The production of antibodies induced by vaccination in a population highly exposed to the virus will lead to the selection of variants resistant to these antibodies."

"These variants can be more virulent or more transmissible."

"This is what we are seeing now. An endless virus-vaccine race that will always turn to the advantage for the virus."

"3. Long-term effects: Contrary to the claims of the manufacturers of messenger RNA vaccines, there is a risk of integration of viral RNA into the human genome."

"Indeed, each of our cells has endogenous retroviruses with the ability to reverse transcriptase from RNA into DNA."


"Although this is a rare event, its passage through the DNA of germ cells and its transmission to future generations cannot be excluded."

"Faced with an unpredictable future, it is better to abstain."

Noted professor of medicine, editor-in-chief of two medical journals, and author of hundreds of peer-reviewed articles, Peter McCullough MD minced no words saying:

Flu/covid mass-jabbing "will go down as one of the most deadly, one of the most injurious and costly (medical procedures) in human history."

Separately he said jabs are "far and away the most lethal, toxic, biologic agent ever injected into a human body in American history."

What's going on is "bioterrorism."

Jabs deliver health-destroying "spike proteins...to the human body."

Doctors are unwittingly "doing unthinkable things, like injecting biologically active messenger RNA that produces this (health-destroying) spike protein."

State-sponsored "misinformation and propaganda (is being) used to drive an incredible fury of (jabbing) mandates" for increasing sectors of society in the US and West.

Citing crisis conditions in Israel, McCullough stressed that jabbed Israelis comprise the majority of outbreaks.

Much the same is happening in Britain. Despite most people in the country jabbed, flu/covid hospitalizations increased 7-fold since June.

Jabbed Brits comprised most deaths from the virus.

Evidence is clear. Jabs cause illness instead of protecting against it.

Jabbed individuals are spreading illness to others.

Flu/covid is safely and effectively treatable with non-jabbing protocols.

Following them avoids the vast majority of hospitalizations and deaths.

Yet US/Western public health officials and establishment media suppress information about them.

McCullough is "deeply worried and concerned (about) the future of America and also deeply afraid of loss of freedom of speech and of scientific discourse."

"There are deep threats out there to doctors who are really doing their best--to help patients and save lives."

Yet the Federation of State Medical Boards threatened US doctors who treat flu/covid patients safely and effectively with ivermectin.

Falsely accused of spreading "misinformation," they're threatened with loss of their license to practice medicine.

Flu/covid jabs are profoundly unsafe, McCullough stressed.

Promoting and using them is a gross breach of medical ethics.

Americans, their Western counterparts and others are being lied to and mass deceived.

Staying safe requires shunning their health destroying mandates and advice that are all about wanting maximum harm inflicted on maximum numbers of people.

https://www.henrymakow.com/

 

[trichrider]

Shocking! Over 32,000 People DEAD in Brazil Following COVID-19 Vaccines According to Official Media Report

August 20, 2021

Parts of this article were translated by DeepL. Via Brian Shilhavy.
Official media reports in Brazil stated that during a 5-month period, over 32,000 people in Brazil have died following a COVID-19 injection.

https://humansarefree.com/2021/08/32k-people-dead-in-brazil-following-covid-19-vaccines.html
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Hundreds have died in Hungary after receiving the coronavirus vaccine
The government has released new statistics detailing the COVID-19-related infections and deaths that have occurred among the vaccinated Hungarian population.

Read more at: https://dailynewshungary.com/hundreds-have-died-in-hungary-after-receiving-the-coronavirus-vaccine/
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[Amynamous]

So let me get this straight....reading has more meaning that watching a vid? Interesting. No debate is needed really because at the end of the day one is going to believe what they want. Again, I'm not drinking the Koolaid no matter what the "experts" in this thread believe. There's tons of information out here that goes against the narrative. Not going to do the research for you. I've listed enough, only to be discredited by a group of "medical specialists" who profess to know what's going on. I'll end it with this......"It's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled "- MARK TWAIN.

In an earlier part of the PA vid you posted, he was talking about studies he read that discussed why masks are “bad”. He never went on to discuss the studies, never provided any evidence, but he did say that mouths are “dirty holes” filled with germs and therefore, kids should not wear a mask because it would “contain” the germs in a “dirty hole”, or something to that effect. What he was basically describing is called normal flora. Everyone lives with bacteria and other organisms inside and outside of their bodies. They live in harmony with our bodies and are non threatening. What is not non threatening is exterior threats like non-normal flora and novel viruses. And the whole point of masks is to contain the bad stuff and not spread it around to others, but he ignored that part.

As a healthcare worker who actually paid attention in school, i thought him pretty entertaining. Seems to me he drank a lot of koolaid. I hope he has a lot of questions regarding public health and epidemiology on his next round of boards!

The point I was making was that i choose science, math, and provable evidence, which I can verify through medical/scientific journals and other widely accepted sources that will, in excessive detail, lay out their methodology, the details describing the study size and participants and raw results, and their statistical methodology and conclusions.

So when someone doesn’t support their “facts” or opinions with any kind of evidence, then I call BS, like the video of that random PA dude that was talking out of his dirty hole.

btw, if you make big claims and can’t back them up, then don’t be butt hurt when someone calls BS. It makes you look like a snowflake.