Covid 19 mrna Vaccines...Yes/No?

[h.h.]

1% rate sounds low, but taking the USA as an example just substitute your own countries population numbers )

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Bears repeating.

 

[gaiusmarius]

Your rates do seem low compared to the rest of the world, and it would be useful if it was easily understood. It’s not a case of low infection rate, which is at 13.1-13.7%, depending on which test is used.

That’s why I was asking if there is an issue with the data collection concerning co morbidities, as in they are only counted if a person only has covid and dies, versus covid plus another illness. I don’t know if that is happening here or there, it’s a viewpoint some have though, that only “pure”, covid only deaths, are the true covid deaths

An example of how positivity rates are fudged here would be the state of Florida. They include every negative test an individual has, and there can be several, in their stats to show a low positivity rate overall, to get close to that 5% positivity rate required to open businesses. WHO and Johns Hopkins University, for example, would only count one negative test per individual.

In the beginning they didn’t seem able to test for COVID extensively, up into the March, April, May time frame. How many undiagnosed or misdiagnosed covid deaths seems an open question. It would seem that would no longer the case after the spring.

24 hour turnaround time in testing is a massive factor, that actually lets you properly react to infections. It would be a factor in limiting infections overall, but I don’t see how it would help the death rate stay so significantly. It does seem like it could have an effect on the death rate though

we have a good health care system and everyone is insured fully, so that probably helps keep deaths down a bit.

the big worry right now in the government is the new strains of covid with even higher contagion rate from UK and South Africa. they thought they could contain it, there was 1 guy working at a sky race who brought it into a village and didnt quarantine when they told him to and he contaminated 10 people in the village and now we have the UK versions running around all over Switzerland, in a matter of days.

 

[gaiusmarius]

1% rate sounds low, but taking the USA as an example just substitute your own countries population numbers )

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i was just stating it as a fact, of course any number of deaths is a shame, and 1 % of the world population is a crazy number. but that doesn't make the 1% figure wrong.

also, think about previous pandemics of plague or spanish flue? those guys would be dancing with joy at a 1% mortality rate.

 

[Switcher56]

Basically it's a shit sandwich and were are all going to have to take a bite.

 

[mr.brunch]

i was just stating it as a fact, of course any number of deaths is a shame, and 1 % of the world population is a crazy number. but that doesn't make the 1% figure wrong.

also, think about previous pandemics of plague or spanish flue? those guys would be dancing with joy at a 1% mortality rate.

It’s not so much the deaths (although it’s a lot of people) it’s the extra complications also.

Flu doesn’t give you heart damage , kidney damage etc.

And in 1918 they didn’t have healthcare like we enjoy now- so it’s not really a fair comparison- if they’d had treatments and good care then, the rate would probably be lower than 1% even.

 

[h.h.]

Bears repeating.

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[imiubu]

Last time I saw something similar ^^ there were perforations between each bear

 

[Microbeman]

Last time I saw something similar ^^ there were perforations between each bear

Tear bears...tare bares.

 

[imiubu]

Finally, I'm going to get laid

Yeah buddy... that's what I'm sayin' LOL :yay:

 

[h.h.]

Last time I saw something similar ^^ there were perforations between each bear

I haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.

 

[St. Phatty]

I haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.

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With printing skills like that, whoever made those LSD doses would have NO PROBLEM with intaglio printing (raised ink) and watermarks.

Both are OLD paper technologies that are often pursued in college art programs.

And they are used to print US currency.


So what I'm saying is ==> I wonder if any of those artful printers of the 70's went on to print black white and green images ?

 

[mr.brunch]

I haven’t a clue what you’re talking about.

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My 16 year old self is saying- “ I want those blotters”
My real age self is saying “me too. But I’d need a week vacation”

 

[gaiusmarius]

highways threatened by fast snow fall

highways threatened by fast snow fall

check what the snow ploughs are dealing with on the actual highways here in Switzerland. have not seen so much snow in the city for many winters. it just keeps going, some villages are already totally cut off as the access roads are closed due to avalanches. covering the roads.

https://www.20min.ch/video/schneepfluege-kaempfen-auf-autobahn-gegen-schneemassen-969811074402

 

[Microbeman]

check what the snow ploughs are dealing with on the actual highways here in Switzerland. have not seen so much snow in the city for many winters. it just keeps going, some villages are already totally cut off as the access roads are closed due to avalanches. covering the roads.

https://www.20min.ch/video/schneepfluege-kaempfen-auf-autobahn-gegen-schneemassen-969811074402

Memories...gladly left behind.

 

[mexcurandero420]

A nurse from Tennessee got their vaccine, after three days her right side of her face got swollen.

 

[gaiusmarius]

A nurse from Tennessee got their vaccine, after three days her right side of her face got swollen.

that looks like an allergic reaction. they are warning anyone allergic to any ingredients not to take it. if you think of the millions plus already vaccinated then a few cases of bad reactions are not that bad. no fun for her of course.


today they were scaring the shit out of everyone by showing how the new strain has acted in the UK. they say we are just ahead of the same explosion in cases and the only thing to do now is to tighten everything up, so all non essential business is shut down again and home office is ordered where possible no longer just recommended.

its quite depressing because the case numbers have been greatly reduced and even deaths are half what they were a week ago. but apparently the new mutation will laugh at our attempts to contain it unless we lock down tighter. so starting Monday thats what we are doing. only thing not closing is schools, apparently the experience in spring showed a huge detrimental effect to children's educational development and they feel it must not be done again. they have made another huge financial aid package to compensate everyone they are forcing to close down or stay home. when asked if Switzerland could still afford all this and not put taxes up as was promised with the last batch of money, the finance minister wasn't so quick to dismiss a tax hike might be needed to pay everything. after a few seconds of silence in the room, he said; or maybe we just pay it back really slowly, lol.

 

[mexcurandero420]

that looks like an allergic reaction. they are warning anyone allergic to any ingredients not to take it. if you think of the millions plus already vaccinated then a few cases of bad reactions are not that bad. no fun for her of course.

Zerohedge reported something else

A Nursing Home Had Zero COVID Deaths. Then, It Vaccinates Residents And The Deaths Begin.

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/nursing-home-had-zero-covid-deaths-then-it-vaccinates-residents-and-deaths-begin

Could be that someone who were at the vaccination site was contagious.

 

[Veggia farmer]

Covid thread end at LSD and snowplowing. Oh, yes, we are at stoner forum. LOL.

I wonder how it would be to drive them snowplows during an trip... I remember at least skateboarding is kinda interesting...

 

[gaiusmarius]

interesting...

interesting...

Norway adjusts advice after vaccine deaths but isn’t alarmed

https://apnews.com/article/denmark-...ccine-europe-51e350b246b4bc4ad92e009626c15844

COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) — Norwegian officials have adjusted their advice on who gets the COVID-19 vaccine in light of a small number of deaths in older people, leaving it up to each doctor to consider who should be vaccinated.

The Norwegian Medicines Agency on Thursday reported a total of 29 people had suffered side effects, 13 of them fatal. All the deaths occurred among patients in nursing homes and all were over the age of 80.

The agency listed fever and nausea as side effects which “may have led to the deaths of some frail patients,” Sigurd Hortemo of the Norwegian Medicines Agency said in the body’s first report of the side effects.

More than 30,000 people have received the first shot of the Pfizer or Moderna coronavirus vaccine in the Scandinavian country since the end of December, according to official figures.

“We are not alarmed by this. It is quite clear that these vaccines have very little risk, with a small exception for the frailest patients,” Steinar Madsen, medical director with the agency, told Norwegian broadcaster NRK.

“Doctors must now carefully consider who should be vaccinated. Those who are very frail and at the very end of life can be vaccinated after an individual assessment,” he added.

Earlier this week, the Norwegian Institute of Public Health said that “any side effects of the vaccine will be outweighed by a reduced risk of becoming seriously ill with COVID-19 for elderly, frail people.”

It added that “for very frail patients and terminally ill patients, a careful balance of benefit versus disadvantage of vaccination is recommended.”

In its report, the Norwegian Medicines Agency said that 21 women and eight men had side effects. Beside those who died, the agency said nine had serious side effects without a fatal consequence and seven had less serious side effects. The nine patients had allergic reactions, strong discomfort and severe fever while the less serious side effects included severe pain at the injection site.

Overall, Norway has seen 57,279 cases and reported 511 deaths.

Across the world, officials expect deaths and other severe side effects to be reported after any mass vaccination campaign given the huge numbers of people involved. But determining whether or not the vaccine caused deaths can be very challenging and requires that all other potential causes be ruled out first.

The United Kingdom and the United States have also reported a number of cases of side effects that had fatal consequences.

The European Medicines Agency said Friday that it will receive and consider monthly safety reports from companies authorized to sell vaccines, starting in January with the Pfizer jab.

is it just me, or is 13 deaths out of 30000 1st jabs a lot?

 

[Switcher56]

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