yup. if you are looking at end of life issues anyway, not needlessly dying in the next 5 years may be 5 more years with your family. if you are 70, you aint worried about long term side effects...well, MOST of us wouldn't be.
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Covid 19 mrna Vaccines...Yes/No?
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yup. if you are looking at end of life issues anyway, not needlessly dying in the next 5 years may be 5 more years with your family. if you are 70, you aint worried about long term side effects...well, MOST of us wouldn't be.
That “over 99% survival rate” is only true on younger populations, and seems to not take seriously any less than lethal outcomes.
I know that I did not maintain that the serology test that I had showing antibodies to Covid19 indicated a personal immunity. Indeed, in black print on the test results was a statement that having antibodies does not mean that a re-infection of the disease is not possible.
However, an article I read last week in the Lancet projects some positive data which makes me hopeful for ongoing immunity to this virus. It does also paint a good sign that a vaccine will provide long term protection. Serology tests show individuals with antibodies are still immune to SARS-1 [SARS-CoV] 17 years post recovery.
This is not an in depth examination of the subject but a search using the term "sars immunity 17 years" produces a lot of supportive literature, for those wishing to explore.
My science based belief has always maintained that a vaccination followed by a booster provides lifelong immunity/protection. I have treated all of my animals [and myself] following this understanding; e.g. rabies, parvovirus, hepatitis, etc. Over the past 40 years or so, this has proven effective, whether coincidental or verifiable.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30788-1/fulltext
""Virologists generally agree that media reports of reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 are most likely due to erroneous PCR tests. Hibberd argues that once people produce antibodies against a particular coronavirus, they probably have immunity for life. Indeed, Wang's laboratory has investigated how long immunity against SARS-CoV and Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus lasts. “17 years later, a SARS survivor still has neutralising antibodies against SARS—we found that not only were the antibodies there, but they could still neutralise the SARS virus.” ""
However, an article I read last week in the Lancet projects some positive data which makes me hopeful for ongoing immunity to this virus. It does also paint a good sign that a vaccine will provide long term protection. Serology tests show individuals with antibodies are still immune to SARS-1 [SARS-CoV] 17 years post recovery.
This is not an in depth examination of the subject but a search using the term "sars immunity 17 years" produces a lot of supportive literature, for those wishing to explore.
My science based belief has always maintained that a vaccination followed by a booster provides lifelong immunity/protection. I have treated all of my animals [and myself] following this understanding; e.g. rabies, parvovirus, hepatitis, etc. Over the past 40 years or so, this has proven effective, whether coincidental or verifiable.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30788-1/fulltext
""Virologists generally agree that media reports of reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 are most likely due to erroneous PCR tests. Hibberd argues that once people produce antibodies against a particular coronavirus, they probably have immunity for life. Indeed, Wang's laboratory has investigated how long immunity against SARS-CoV and Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus lasts. “17 years later, a SARS survivor still has neutralising antibodies against SARS—we found that not only were the antibodies there, but they could still neutralise the SARS virus.” ""
in Switzerland:
since the pandemic began here we have had 477 983 documented laboratory confirmed cases.
of that 477 983 some 19 787 had to be hospitalized and some 7583 have passed away.
https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview?ovTime=total
but this is only based on the actual tests done, it does not include the many people who didnt bother getting a test due to having no, or very mild symptoms. so i think im being quite conservative when i say 99% survival rate. even the government has admitted that their could be up to 50% more cases then there are officially laboratory confirmed cases. its only logical in a virus that hit people so differently. some people don't even notice they have it. its called an asymptomatic case if you remember.
Well a survival rate is measuring people who die vs those that don’t
It is quite precise in that way.
There are other measures that might account for less than lethal outcomes
But I’m fairly certain it has nothing to do with survival rate’s “perceived” seriousness level.
I would wonder how many of those 7,583 had health issues that combined with COVID caused death. Seems like they could be mostly “ clean” covid deaths, or your population is healthier than U.S. which doesn’t take much imagination.
From the Switzerland link it says you have a 13.1-13.7 positivity rate average which is higher than the 5% here ( as an example) needed to open businesses. Over 10% is considered high here imo, although there are higher numbers.
With the numbers they have it’s at a bit over 1.5% mortality, with 7,050 being 1.5% of 478,000. I realize there are many uncounted cases of infections, estimates are 4-10 fold here. Likely unattributed deaths to covid as well, at least here, especially in the beginning when it wasn’t as widely tested for. Ideally they would also be testing a symptomatic people and identifying new outbreaks before they happened, and the contact tracing would be in place as well. Takes a week to get test results as it is now on PCR tests, mostly useless for containing infections.
I wasn’t saying one affects the other, but that the less than lethal outcomes are worthy of consideration when discussing possible outcomes.
It seems common to only talk about the fatalities like it’s the only negative outcome.
St. Phatty
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https://www.syracuse.com/coronaviru...sing-home-infects-137-residents-kills-24.html
What happened at this nursing home ?
Probably just a coincidence.
No Covid deaths until they started getting the Vaccine. Then, WHAM, 24 deaths in 3 weeks.
What happened at this nursing home ?
Probably just a coincidence.
No Covid deaths until they started getting the Vaccine. Then, WHAM, 24 deaths in 3 weeks.
Almost.
Outbreak started on the 21st. Shots started on the 22nd. Vaccine takes a week or two to take effect.
pcr test results are delivered in 24 hours here. the numbers actually include anyone who had a positive test in the 4 weeks before death.
also i can not see anyone dieing without covid being considered. asymptomatic cases are impossible to find, but random dead bodies with false cause of death on the death certificate hardly seems possible. and if it happens it's rare. im sure they do autopsies if there are any questions. so if you consider all those factors you will see i was right, it's even less then 1% mortality rate.
St. Phatty
Active member
maybe the old folks are bare-backing.
I hear some rest homes can be REAL swingers joints.
I could understand why they are less concerned about sharing germs.
I hope this still holds true by the time I get placed into one
Finally, I'm going to get laid
Your rates do seem low compared to the rest of the world, and it would be useful if it was easily understood. It’s not a case of low infection rate, which is at 13.1-13.7%, depending on which test is used.
That’s why I was asking if there is an issue with the data collection concerning co morbidities, as in they are only counted if a person only has covid and dies, versus covid plus another illness. I don’t know if that is happening here or there, it’s a viewpoint some have though, that only “pure”, covid only deaths, are the true covid deaths
An example of how positivity rates are fudged here would be the state of Florida. They include every negative test an individual has, and there can be several, in their stats to show a low positivity rate overall, to get close to that 5% positivity rate required to open businesses. WHO and Johns Hopkins University, for example, would only count one negative test per individual.
In the beginning they didn’t seem able to test for COVID extensively, up into the March, April, May time frame. How many undiagnosed or misdiagnosed covid deaths seems an open question. It would seem that would no longer the case after the spring.
24 hour turnaround time in testing is a massive factor, that actually lets you properly react to infections. It would be a factor in limiting infections overall, but I don’t see how it would help the death rate stay so significantly. It does seem like it could have an effect on the death rate though
you got candy strippers? AWESOME! we got candy stripers here. not nearly as exciting...
Throwing ones at Baby Ruth.
