Coronavirus.. outlook

[Budz Lightyear]

folks with several of those diseases (ebola for example) would NOT be out shopping etc. many would be too busy dying in isolation. case fatality rates vary from 25% to 90% for ebola.

And yet they are STILL not required to lockdown, wear masks or show passports, etc etc. Yep, Thats the point. There are no restrictions imposed on them other than those imposed by themselves.

Also, this is from ONE MONTH in 2018, so, "Oooops", I guess? Lol You can seach annual mortality rates for other years, they're not hard to find.

 

[armedoldhippy]

And yet they are STILL not required to lockdown, wear masks or show passports, etc etc. Yep, Thats the point.

Also, this is from ONE MONTH in 2018, so, "Oooops", I guess? Lol You can seach your own annual mortality rates for other years, they're not hard to find.

only people known to have ebola in the US were immediately put into quarantine in hospitals. Daily Mail...is that like the National Enquirer? known as an "unlikely source" for the truth in British news circles..."OOOPS" i'd reckon! LOL!

 

[Budz Lightyear]

only people known to have ebola in the US were immediately put into quarantine in hospitals...

So what you're saying is, all the people infected with the many other transmissable and far more severe diseases are free to go about their life as they wish and as their health allowed them, without any restrictions? Ok, yes, thats what I thought.
Also, ypu can very quickly search annual deaths from cold and flu going back decades. If you dont believe that articles headline you could easily check.

 

[star crash]

Why? Omicron is much less severe and gives natural immunity and antibodies against delta and other previous versions... I mean variants. This is the beginning of the end of the pandemic. It is now an endemic. Thats 1.3 million people that now have natural immunity and antibodies. Dont be depressed.

I hope you’re right…

 

[Budz Lightyear]

Daily Mail...is that like the National Enquirer? known as an "unlikely source" for the truth in British news circles..."OOOPS" i'd reckon! LOL!

Double "Oooops"

 

[star crash]

because in spite of being less severe, some folks (not as many, so far) still get bad cases, get sick, and die, as well as giving it to others. natural immunity is not as long lasting like they hoped either. that is why...

good morning hippieim a hippie too ..
I’m so confused about this issue …how can it be safer to not be vaccinated ? that’s what I just don’t understand? As I stated several times I’ve been vaccinated and I haven’t got sick many people around me have..Have a blown my chance to develop any natural immunity ? do you have to catch it in order to get the benefits of natural immunity?

 

[Budz Lightyear]

good morning hippieim a hippie too ..
I’m so confused about this issue …how can it be safer to not be vaccinated ? that’s what I just don’t understand? As I stated several times I’ve been vaccinated and I haven’t got sick many people around me have..Have a blown my chance to develop any natural immunity ? do you have to catch it in order to get the benefits of natural immunity?

Vaccines work on the principle of natural immunity by triggering the body's response to make antibodies. The MRNA vaccines dont work on the virus but work on the spike protein instead. There is a new vaccine being made that works on the older principle, I think its by Novavax (?).
Generally, in the past, vaccine immunity relies on the principle of natural immunity. Thats why you didnt need boosters etc.

 

[Amynamous]

Double "Oooops"

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SARS2 has killed millions per year(globally), surpassing influenza mortality by a factor of ten.
SARS2 attacks the vascular system and can lead to long term health problems for a significant number of those infected.
SARS2 can cause cardiovascular and peripheral vascular health problems and death, weeks or months after initial infection, influenza does not.
Portraying SARS2 as harmless is disingenuous and dangerous.

 

[Budz Lightyear]

SARS2 has killed millions per year(globally), surpassing influenza mortality by a factor of ten.
SARS2 attacks the vascular system and can lead to long term health problems for a significant number of those infected.
SARS2 can cause cardiovascular and peripheral vascular health problems and death, weeks or months after initial infection, influenza does not.
Portraying SARS2 as harmless is disingenuous and dangerous.

99.9% Survival rate.

And that was from previous, more svere variants. We're talking about Omicron compared to flu/cold and the difference in the response from the public and government between Omicron and cold/flu.

Again. 99.9% survival rate and even higher from Omicron.

 

[Amynamous]

99.9% Survival rate.

And that was from previous, more svere variants. We're talking about Omicron compared to flu/cold and the difference in the response from the public and government between Omicron and cold/flu.

Again. 99.9% survival rate and even higher from Omicron.

My calculator disagrees with you and shows a mortality rate of 1.8%, nine times higher than the flu.

 

[Budz Lightyear]

My calculator disagrees with you and shows a mortality rate of 1.8%, nine times higher than the flu.

Your calculator is wrong. And it also isnt making the distinction between "died from Covid" someone whos primary cause of death was Covid, and, "died with Covid" - someone who died within 28 (and in some cases, 90) days of a positive test, even if the death wasnt linked to the virus. It is thought that the deaths from Covid, as the direct result of the virus make up possibly as low as 10% of the deaths recored as Covid on the certifcates. And that is speculation from medical professionals, not me. This could mean survival rates up to 99.98% or higher if the records were accurate.

 

[Amynamous]

Your calculator is wrong. And it also isnt making the distinction between "died from Covid" someone whos primary cause of death was Covid, and, "died with Covid" - someone who died within 28 (and in some cases, 90) days of a positive test, even if the death wasnt linked to the virus. It is thought that the deaths from Covid, as the direct result of the virus make up possibly as low as 10% of the deaths recored as Covid on the certifcates. And that is speculation from medical professionals, not me. This could mean survival rates up to 99.98% or higher if the records were accurate.

Per https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
and per my calculator: 5,515,491/311,604,990=0.018(rounded to two places)

If you’re going to pull the “died from vs died with” argument, you should do the same thing with influenza cases. Very few people die “from influenza”. They die because of the damage that influenza causes, like pneumonia, kidney failure, etc. Viruses can cause severe damage to the human body and people die from those causes. This is why death certificates almost always contain primary and secondary causes of death. Any “doctor” that pretends this isn’t the case simply doesn’t know what he/she is talking about. I’d be happy to explain this further if you are still confused about this.

I have read multiple reports that excess deaths this year have skyrocketed, many of which are cardiovascular related. These excess deaths could easily add 20% to the covid death count. Since covid attacks the vascular system, the resulting damage leads to debris flowing through ones arteries and veins. This debris can “clump together” and form large, small and micro thrombi, leading to heart attacks, strokes, peripheral damage as well as organ damage. Micro clots can circulate for weeks or months before they congregate and cause serious damage. That’s why so many people have died from heart attacks these past two years, even though they may not currently be sick at the time of their death. Some people believe the damage i described can even occur in people who had minor symptoms or were not symptomatic. I predict we will continue to see excess cardiovascular deaths this year and next as a result of the pandemic.

 

[Budz Lightyear]

If you’re going to pull the “died from vs died with” argument, you should do the same thing with influenza cases. Very few people die “from influenza”. .

Very few people die from Covid. Yet we're not locking down people for influenza. Or imposing any restrictions. Especially on people that arent infected. Nor are we doing it for many other infectious diseases. As previously stated you can have any number of infectious illnesses and still be free to go wherever you choose. Plus we dont lockdown the people that don't have those illnesses, "just in case they might catch it. To stop the spread"..

I predict we will continue to see excess cardiovascular deaths this year and next as a result of the pandemic.

I predict the same, but from adverse reactions to the vaccine probably passed off as other things.

 

[Amynamous]

Very few people die from Covid. Yet we're not locking down people for influenza. Or imposing any restrictions. Especially on people that arent infected. Nor are we doing it for many other infectious diseases. As previously stated you can have any number of infectious illnesses and still be free to go wherever you choose. Plus we dont lockdown the people that don't have those illnesses, like measles, or chicken pox, "just in case they might catch it. To stop the spread"..



I predict the same, but from adverse reactions to the vaccine probably passed off as other things.

“Very few” is a relative term. The confirmed mortality rate(CFR) of covid19 is 9 times higher than that of influenza. Epidemiology speaking, that is an extremely high number. If almost 2% of air travel resulted in death, no one would fly. If almost 2% of automobile travel ended in death, most of us would not drive.

The pandemic is due to a novel virus, and stringent public health precautions would be appropriate, although we can debate what those measures should be. In my opinion, the best people to guide us are public health professionals and not professional politicians. And while it is clear that public health officials in the US have made some mistakes and misjudgments, they are doing the best they can with an ever changing environment.

 

[Budz Lightyear]

“Very few” is a relative term. The confirmed mortality rate(CFR) of covid19 is 9 times higher than that of influenza. Epidemiology speaking, that is an extremely high number. If almost 2% of air travel resulted in death, no one would fly. If almost 2% of automobile travel ended in death, most of us would not drive.

The pandemic is due to a novel virus, and stringent public health precautions would be appropriate, although we can debate what those measures should be. In my opinion, the best people to guide us are public health professionals and not professional politicians. And while it is clear that public health officials in the US have made some mistakes and misjudgments, they are doing the best they can with an ever changing environment.

But its not 2% its more ike 0.02% as I previusly said. Also, what do you think the percentage of adverse effects to a vaccine are, 1%? or higher?

I agree that health professionals are the best people to guide us, which is why I only listen to them and why all my information has come from them.

 

[mexcurandero420]

SARS2 has killed millions per year(globally), surpassing influenza mortality by a factor of ten.
SARS2 attacks the vascular system and can lead to long term health problems for a significant number of those infected.
SARS2 can cause cardiovascular and peripheral vascular health problems and death, weeks or months after initial infection, influenza does not.
Portraying SARS2 as harmless is disingenuous and dangerous.

Influenza 1918-1921 killed 40-50 million people around the world, it was just a far more virulent strain than what we have today.There are also Corona viruses which gives only a cold.

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/233018/cells-from-common-colds-cross-protect-against/

 

[armedoldhippy]

good morning hippieim a hippie too ..
how can it be safer to not be vaccinated ? do you have to catch it in order to get the benefits of natural immunity?

it's not, according to prevalent medical advice. there are "theories" with plenty of adherents that say otherwise. and yes, in order to benefit from natural immunity, you would either have to survive it, or have an ancestor that "possibly" could have donated a resistance genetically. i have doubts about how often that might occur.

 

[Amynamous]

But its not 2% its more ike 0.02% as I previusly said. Also, what do you think the percentage of adverse effects to a vaccine are, 1%? or higher?

I agree that health professionals are the best people to guide us, which is why I only listen to them and why all my information has come from them.

I would really like to see a source for 0.02% because the math doesn’t support that. And please note that virtually all death certificates describe primary AND secondary causes of death, with the “secondary” reason being the cause of the “primary” reason. That’s simply the methodology used in medicine. Think of the old joke about someone falling to their death, it’s not the fall that kills you, it’s the sudden stop. The sudden stop is the primary cause of death and the fall would be the secondary cause. If there were no fall, there would be no sudden stop.

As to the percentage of adverse effects related to the vaccines, i suppose it would depend on how one defines “adverse effect”. If we define a sore arm and/or low grade fever and/or headaches and/or tiredness as adverse effects, i bet the percentage would be at least 90%. If we define it as requiring hospitalization or ending in death, then i would imagine it to be less than 1%. Where i’ve been volunteering with covid vaccinations, we encourage people to participate in the CDC vaccination reporting program where they can provide daily/weekly updates as to any adverse effects they may encounter. I was able to interact with lots of people who were returning for their second vaccination, and virtually everyone had minor adverse effects. But i am sure the CDC has a lot more data then i do. I haven’t searched it out though.

 

[Budz Lightyear]

I would really like to see a source for 0.02% because the math doesn’t support that. And please note that virtually all death certificates describe primary AND secondary causes of death, with the “secondary” reason being the cause of the “primary” reason. That’s simply the methodology used in medicine. Think of the old joke about someone falling to their death, it’s not the fall that kills you, it’s the sudden stop. The sudden stop is the primary cause of death and the fall would be the secondary cause. If there were no fall, there would be no sudden stop.

As to the percentage of adverse effects related to the vaccines, i suppose it would depend on how one defines “adverse effect”. If we define a sore arm and/or low grade fever and/or headaches and/or tiredness as adverse effects, i bet the percentage would be at least 90%. If we define it as requiring hospitalization or ending in death, then i would imagine it to be less than 1%. Where i’ve been volunteering with covid vaccinations, we encourage people to participate in the CDC vaccination reporting program where they can provide daily/weekly updates as to any adverse effects they may encounter. I was able to interact with lots of people who were returning for their second vaccination, and virtually everyone had minor adverse effects. But i am sure the CDC has a lot more data then i do. I haven’t searched it out though.

It's widely accepted that only about 1 in 10 adverse reactions are being reported through these voluntary reporting programmes. Given that the current number of serious adverse reactions recorded is over 10,000 it is speculated that the real number could be ten times that.
Also, the serious adverse effects are occurring in young healthy people and even proffessional sports people. Those who are considered in the peak of ohysical health and were not at risk from Covid. Have you seen how many professional sports people have collapsed live on air during games since the vaccine rollout?
A 1% chance of a healthy young person getting a serious adverse reaction or death, to mitigate against a disease that they are not even in the at risk category for.
Not jabbed means a 99% survival rate from Covid and 100% chance of no adverse effects. I like those odds.

 

[Amynamous]

It's widely accepted that only about 1 in 10 adverse reactions are being reported through these voluntary reporting programmes. Given that the current number of serious adverse reactions recorded is over 10,000 it is speculated that the real number could be ten times that.
Also, the serious adverse effects are occurring in young healthy people and even proffessional sports people. Those who are considered in the peak of ohysical health and were not at risk from Covid. Have you seen how many professional sports people have collapsed live on air during games since the vaccine rollout?
A 1% chance of a healthy young person getting a serious adverse reaction or death, to mitigate against a disease that they are not even in the at risk category for.
Not jabbed means a 99% survival rate from Covid and 100% chance of no adverse effects. I like those odds.

I haven’t seen anything that supports the numbers you mention.
I also haven’t seen any evidence that cardiovascular events effecting athletes and others are caused by any of the vaccines.
Personally, i suspect the cardiovascular events you mention are most likely caused by covid19, and there is evidence to support that conclusion. My local LevelOne trauma center was filled to capacity with cardiovascular patients prior to vaccinations. And Covid19 attacks arteries/veins leading to cardiovascular inflammation and clots.

If you have anything that supports your claim of “99.9% survival rates”, i would really, really like to look at it.
Not to be rude, but the math doesn’t support that conclusion.