The Haze Hybrid Thread

[ojd]

Diotte's Outback #8 x Silk S starting to slow down on the stretch at w7. This #11 was the same size as the Plant in the 1 gallon when it went into flower.

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Outstanding structure and open canopy imparted by the NH21 with branches nearly as long as the plant is tall.

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Aside from welcome surprises The goal of the project is to keep Dwight NH21 dominant Outback in tact and adding Very high ocimene levels and little else

Ocimene is a common denominator of incense hazes. Ocimene when fresh is a light herbaceous with a touch of sweetness and orange peel. When ignited it becomes a refined dank frankincense that permeates and saturates the room like a temple. It is almost indistinguishable from frankincense essential oil in a vaporizer.

SILK S has 2-5 times the ocimene of CBH, Nigerian haze and Bandaid types with little else. The little else is as important as the high levels. This adds the frankincense without significant alterations to the other parent letting it take center.

She is zero CBD and was in the top 2 for CBG in the last 2 Piffcons

Just like the Red petiole tracks NH21, the feathery pistils of Silk S are consistently a marker for bringing record ocimene as well.

There seems to be a lot of range from the Outback haze side. Eucalyptus and pine needles opens the sinuses like Vics vapor on some. Dr pepper and maybe root beer hazy effervescence for the darker notes some wood notes and the ocimene that will become frankincense. No noticable savory haze notes like leather or livers. Still months to develop.

Maybe finish in early March.
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This looks nothing like the Outback Haze or the NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness ?

How are you guys trying to rewrite Outback Haze or NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness history ( both the wildest Sativa's most of your will ever grow) to what your showing now stone ? , nothing at all resemblance of either lineage so must be all silk coming though, as Outback Haze is an insane wild Sativa not for most and only for the diehard Sativa junkies.

Why is your plant so tame for such a wild Sativa, doesn't make any sense to me ?.

Your trying to rewrite Nevil's legendary Outback Haze strain and NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness project to this tame hybrid ?



This is Outback Haze x NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness Grown by oldcoolsativa ( a real Sativa Junkie)

How can you say this strain your running shows any of the wild Sativa traits that are known with the Outback Haze or NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness , seriously ? , point out any similar traits I'm all ears

Amazing log done by oldscoolsativa , showing the real Sativa quality's that the Outback Haze and NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness

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[Stoneguru]

This looks nothing like the Outback Haze or the NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness ?

How are you guys trying to rewrite Outback Haze or NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness history ( both the wildest Sativa's most of your will ever grow) to what your showing now stone ? , nothing at all resemblance of either lineage so must be all silk coming though, as Outback Haze is an insane wild Sativa not for most and only for the diehard Sativa junkies.

Why is your plant so tame for such a wild Sativa, doesn't make any sense to me ?.

Your trying to rewrite Nevil's legendary Outback Haze strain and NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness project to this tame hybrid ?



This is Outback Haze x NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness Grown by oldcoolsativa ( a real Sativa Junkie)

How can you say this strain your running shows any of the wild Sativa traits that are known with the Outback Haze or NH21 x Mullumbimby Madness , seriously ? , point out any similar traits I'm all ears

Thank you for the pictures and content @ojd .

It would be wonderful to have more community involvement in sharing pictures of the parental lines. I am cataloging and organizing all Outback related information and pictures on the Post in thread 'Outback Haze #8 x Silk Haze S. (Troll advisory)' https://www.icmag.com/threads/outback-haze-8-x-silk-haze-s-troll-advisory.18133276/post-18864528 thread

It is an essential part of breeding and selecting keepers from the Outback Haze lines in the future as you and Dwight make them available.

Currently the Outback offerings are all locked up in hybrids which effectively returns them to where they were before Nevil did the work. This thread can serve as a resource and aid for anyone selecting keepers or parents from Nevil's work.

This a full picture of the NH21 x MM that you posted above.

Notice the proportions of structure. Minimal branching with massive terminal flowers. Virtually minimal flower sets within the canopy, tight, fenotrigo/foxtail trait, massive yield, minimal stretch. It does look to have the spiral or helical flower sites of NH21 on the terminal flower, but not on the branches

When observing morphological traits it's important to objectively consider them rather than isolate 1 trait for omission of all others

It's also important to consider, examine, cross reference, group the traits of each parent when examining a polyhybrid.

Sharing the pictures of the parents, and links of MM and NH21, Hempy's Thai, NH36 is an essential part of the process to determining dominant traits of progeny. At time the pictures of the parents aren't available so the parental lines can be used as a crude second applying deductive reasoning

This is a picture of MM x Oaxacan
Examining Kanga's MM in this cross we can see it shares the wild fenotrigo/foxtail traits, large terminal flower. Like the NH21× MM top flower we are only given incomplete information about the plant in Doc D's picture. While this is not an Oaxacan morphology per se it would be beneficial to have more pictures of Kangas parental MM plants to further group traits. @Limeygreen , @HEMPY or anyone else have these on file? The goal of this thread is to test Outback Silk, but also use this as a resource for anyone.

Now for cross referencing traits. This is the plant that @ojd corrected me and reported was NH21×MM.
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Zoom in and examine each branch. In the lower left the branches sprawl almost as long as the plant is tall.

There is virtually no additional branching from the branches. It is uniform flower sets evenly sized and spaces all the way to the trunk. An open canopy for full light penetration. There is a slightly offset flower formation that results in a spiral or helical look. There is no indication that this particular plant has the fenotrigo/foxtail trait

Consequently Dwight was surprised that this particular plant was NH21xMM. He went into detail about how Nevil felt that the MM had a tendency to overtake the NH rather that preserve NH in the majority of the progeny The release of the MM were reportedly out of necessity and needing a car at the time.

That aside, I can see how the distinctive MM profile could significantly alter NH. This is the case with most Nevil's Haze and why he dedicated so much of his life to restoring it.

The NH21, Hempy's Thai, and NH36 pictures were all in the post above and more will be posted in this thrwad, but here is the picture of NH21 again for cross referencing morphology.

NH21 dried flower

There is no indication that NH21 was a fenotrigo flower in any way. There is also no indication that accomplishing this was high on Nevil's breeding programs hierarchy.

Examining the NH21 plant and flower reveals quite a bit. There is no Fox tailing and the helical flower site offset of the plant and dried flower depict this as well.

In contrast the NH36 below was said to be a tight faster earlier and heavier yielding version of Nevil's haze.

Hempy's picture of his Thai indicate the wild foxtailing traits you are selecting for. These traits do come up in Nevil's Haze. They are not displayed in the NH21

Here is another picture from Nevil Outback haze. Is it an open bouquet allowing for the full development of trichomes. Yes

Does it have over accentuated fenotrigo traits like MM, Hempy's Thai or even NH36 in the pictures. No. It does not

There is no indication that fenotrigo foxtail traits were central to Nevil's objectives and most of the.

In summary MM seems to contribute wild foxtail flowers, a larger terminal flower and less branching relative to NH21 and NH36.

Outback Silk structure is
×2 NH21/Outback #8
×3 NH36
×1 NH21 Silk S Synergy
×1 outlier

For reference this is Silk S from seed.

 

[harvestreaper]

i like the rusty color of the nh 21

 

[Stoneguru]

i like the rusty color of the nh 21

The NH21 has a distinct sexy slouchy swale into an upward curving swoop I like.

Hempy Thai calyx is similar. Close, but without the beanbag slouch at the base of the calyx

While the NH36 calyx in the post above is quite different.

This Alpine Haze has a similar calyx shape to the NH21.

While this one does not lol. Well hung, but not happy.

I'll post all this and more on the Outback Silk thread to not clutter this one. It would be great to have more people familiar with Nevil's Grail project to post pictures and links and help disseminate and catalog the morphologies as a resource.

 

[el mani]

Mango haze

Salu2

 

[Nexus7]

Just a couple pics for you @Stoneguru

This is @@hempy Thai x NHzf2

You can see clearly the NHz dominance in the flowers!

It's also very similar to the NH21xMM picture posted above which I feel leans heavily to the NHz side ...

 

[@hempy]

The male always dominates and more importantly carries the ancestral memory, that's why if you use a Haze as a father the off spring will lean to the Haze or even throw extremely Haze off spring.

Deliverance Thai x NH flowers heavy to the HzA side.

The Thai flowers are very different.

 

[harvestreaper]

The male always dominates and more importantly carries the ancestral memory, that's why if you use a Haze as a father the off spring will lean to the Haze or even throw extremely Haze off spring.

Deliverance Thai x NH flowers heavy to the HzA side.

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The Thai flowers are very different.

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nie,,,why is it called deliverance thai do it make ya squeal like a pig an play the banjo?lol