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Coronavirus.. outlook

Cuddles

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Well, UK residents have started to get their vaccinnes this week. Many elderly people will be able to spend chirstmas with their families after all. :)
 

aridbud

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Well, UK residents have started to get their vaccinnes this week. Many elderly people will be able to spend chirstmas with their families after all. :)

How COVID-19 Vaccines Work
COVID-19 vaccines help our bodies develop immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19 without us having to get the illness. Different types of vaccines work in different ways to offer protection, but with all types of vaccines, the body is left with a supply of “memory” T-lymphocytes as well as B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight that virus in the future.

It typically takes a few weeks for the body to produce T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes after vaccination. Therefore, it is possible that a person could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 just before or just after vaccination and then get sick because the vaccine did not have enough time to provide protection.

Sometimes after vaccination, the process of building immunity can cause symptoms, such as fever. These symptoms are normal and are a sign that the body is building immunity.

AND still wear masks indoors with family, physical distance, hand washing.
 

Swamp Thang

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Can you fly it off a backyard grass airstrip, and go over 1000 miles non-stop, over roadblocks and cops, with not asking anyone's permission? :D

Just in case a competent pilot is needed, I might as well mention that I happen to have logged many hundreds of hours using Microsoft Flight Simulator to hone my skills, and I will gladly grace that left-side captain's seat, in exchange for a steady supply of good weed.
 

Swamp Thang

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How COVID-19 Vaccines Work
COVID-19 vaccines help our bodies develop immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19 without us having to get the illness. Different types of vaccines work in different ways to offer protection, but with all types of vaccines, the body is left with a supply of “memory” T-lymphocytes as well as B-lymphocytes that will remember how to fight that virus in the future.

It typically takes a few weeks for the body to produce T-lymphocytes and B-lymphocytes after vaccination. Therefore, it is possible that a person could be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19 just before or just after vaccination and then get sick because the vaccine did not have enough time to provide protection.

Sometimes after vaccination, the process of building immunity can cause symptoms, such as fever. These symptoms are normal and are a sign that the body is building immunity.

AND still wear masks indoors with family, physical distance, hand washing.

Sounds like all who get this vaccine, would do well to isolate for another couple of weeks to ensure that they steer clear of infections until that vaccine's immune response kicks in.
 

Sunshineinabag

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The outlook in the US is, Very, Very Bad.

Youtube has censored Chris Martenson for talking about Ivermectin.

Mexican state Chiapas started distributing Ivermectin back in July.

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But you can't talk about it on Youtube because TPTB want to sell Remdesivir in the US.

The US gov. continues to insist that there are no nutritional supplements that have prophylactic/ preventive abilities, relative to Covid19.

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THE BRIGHT SIDE - the US gov is showing its true nature for anyone who can learn from this example.

Ivermectin was an active ingredient in my dogs old flea treatment chews...gave her a weird nerve twitch so I went seresto...haven't looked back since but this is interesting info
 

Cuddles

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Sounds like all who get this vaccine, would do well to isolate for another couple of weeks to ensure that they steer clear of infections until that vaccine's immune response kicks in.
yes, they said that a second (or even a third shot?) is required, so yeah, best to stay in isolation for the time being.
 

Swamp Thang

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Well, UK residents have started to get their vaccinnes this week. Many elderly people will be able to spend chirstmas with their families after all. :)

The fact that this vaccine was developed so fast, and is tested to be nearly 100% effective, is a small miracle of scientific endeavor in and of itself.

Hats off to Phizer, and those other research bodies, for literally saving the human race from creeping annihilation. The scientists who devised these vaccines truly ought to share a Nobel Prize, for the amazing feat they performed under such tight constraints, and at such great personal risk. Those teams could be likened to bomb-disposal experts, of the microbial world.
 

Cuddles

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it was record speed but that is also one of my worries. it´s too fast. usually it takes years 10 or more of testing before a vaccinne is allowed to be widely used.
 

Swamp Thang

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it was record speed but that is also one of my worries. it´s too fast. usually it takes years 10 or more of testing before a vaccinne is allowed to be widely used.

These vaccines were tested in several hundred volunteers, so the odds lean heavily in favor of there being no adverse side-effects.


Were I given the choice between taking the vaccine right away, or waiting a few months to see if there are any downsides to being injected, I'd take the vaccine right away, bearing in mind the near certainty of getting infected, if I delay.

A brave lady of 90 years old, was the first UK recipient of this vaccine upon its release to the general population, and her continued good health will ease the worries of many people who would otherwise remain cautious.
 

mexcurandero420

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Life-threatening fungus discovered in quarter corona patients in ICU

A quarter of seriously ill corona patients are infected with the fungus Aspergillus fumigatus, according to recent research by the Radboud UMC, LUMC and RIVM on lung tissue patients. Contamination with this type of fungi seems to double the mortality risk.

Professor Paul Verweij (Radboud UMC) speaks of a “remarkably high percentage [infections], with major consequences for the chances of survival”. Half of the IC corona patients who contract the fungal infection die. This is an almost twice as high mortality rate as in mold-free patients. According to Verweij, the research results must give rise to an "ad hoc adjustment of the treatment protocols for COVID-19 on Intensive Care."

The science program De Kennis van Nu announced this in a press release. The broadcast of the program tomorrow evening at 10.20 pm is all about the fungi. See here a preview.

Not only with the seriously ill
Doctors are familiar with the aspergillus fungus in the seriously ill, but according to medical microbiologist Ed Kuijper (LUMC and RIVM), it usually concerns people with a seriously impaired immune system, such as leukemia patients. “The fact that it can occur on such a large scale in people with a virus infection is really worrying,” says Kuijper.

Recent research into flu patients had already shown that this group also has to deal with fungus more often than expected. Now it appears to be the same for corona patients. Verweij suspects that the immune inhibitor dexamethasone is the explanation here. This medicine is used in ICU in corona patients to prevent an overreaction of the immune system that can cause complications in the lungs and other vital organs.

Paul Verweij calls the consideration of the use of the drug in some cases “choosing between two evils”, because it also makes patients more sensitive to the deadly fungus. He is therefore in discussion with other microbiologists and infectiologists at the RIVM about an adjustment to the existing treatment guidelines. It is examined whether dexamethasone is necessary in all cases, or, for example, can be stopped earlier in the treatment with its use.

Difficult to treat
Fungal infections are notoriously difficult to treat. Medicines can be tough for the body to process. In addition, the antifungals given in the hospital are almost identical to the antifungals that farmers use to spray their fields. Frequent use on crops makes the aspergillus fungus increasingly insensitive to pest control.

About 15% of patients with an aspergillus infection now have a resistant variant and is therefore virtually untreatable. In such a case, survival rate is less than 20%. In view of this advancing resistance, Minister of Agriculture Carola Schouten is looking at whether the use of anti-fungal agents in agriculture can be curtailed.

NPO1
 

Cuddles

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I´m happy to wait a little while longer,as are my parents who are medical professionals. we´ll wait and see. I hope that it´s safe and no side effects
the british lady, Margaret, is 91 next week, and I hope her and all the others getting it respond well.
 

flylowgethigh

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Fungal infections are bad. And hard to cure. I had one, and it made me cough for years. Mis-diagnosed by MDs who like to keep you sick and coming back, I had to figure it out myself - and get my dentist to prescribe flucanazole.
 

mowood3479

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over 650 today...exactly WHEN was it supposed to "magically go away"? a couple of doubters i know now have relatives in the hospital . i guess it takes seeing someone you know PERSONALLY suffering before it is "real". fucking morons...i guess it is the abstract "them" that makes it easy to dismiss. not so simple when it is your mother/father/grandparent, huh.

Are you arguing with urself?
I think covid is real..
And exceptionally overblown.
It’s become politicized and the govt always jukes the stats
So I don’t trust any of what I hear from fedbois
 

Swamp Thang

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Are you arguing with urself?
I think covid is real..
And exceptionally overblown.
It’s become politicized and the govt always jukes the stats
So I don’t trust any of what I hear from fedbois

It would be interesting to hear from any dying covid patients that are still capable of communicating, whether they would agree with your claim here, that the disease is "overblown".

ICU units are pretty much at full capacity nationwide, so I cannot fathom the basis for any claim that this pandemic is over-stated.

The instinct to hide one's head in the sand and default into denial mode, whenever grim realities become overwhelming, is evidently as powerful as the primal will to live, for so many people. Maybe this is purely a natural defense mechanism to retain sanity when cataclysmic events are in progress, but hey, I ain't no shrink.
 

St. Phatty

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It would be interesting to hear from any dying covid patients that are still capable of communicating, whether they would agree with your claim here, that the disease is "overblown".

ICU units are pretty much at full capacity nationwide, so I cannot fathom the basis for any claim that this pandemic is over-stated.

The instinct to hide one's head in the sand and default into denial mode, whenever grim realities become overwhelming, is evidently as powerful as the primal will to live, for so many people. Maybe this is purely a natural defense mechanism to retain sanity when cataclysmic events are in progress, but hey, I ain't no shrink.

it's the US government that is in denial.

they DO HAVE extremely functional prevention & treatment - that the "medical" industry can't make any money from.

so while the Mexican state of Chiapas is back in the Green after distributing ANOTHER Zinc Ionophore - Ivermectin - door to door, starting at the end of July, the US medical industry is having a Cha-Ching moment.

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