plantingplants
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Thanks milkyjoe, I think they all need some N. I thought they'd be getting it from the coots by now so I didn't feed them after transplant. But the new growth is strange. Here are a few more shots:
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Coots mix test results with fish compost
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plantingplants
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And here are some of the other plants if it helps. I'll put some in the post and link to the rest so it doesn't make this page so heavy.
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FoothillFarming
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Calcium for sure. I would hit them with Pure Protein Dry the day after you hit with Albion. Will help with the uptake of calcium. Hit those with a EWC slurry, top dress with EWC, or hit them with an ACT to help. You using micro pack?
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plantingplants
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Wow thanks. Looks like the soil test and analysis was right. I'll have MicroPak and Albion Ca in a couple days. I have some EWC. Only other stuff on hand is kelp extrAct, fish emulsion. humic acid. It's locked out in the soil right? Is the idea that ewc will add more calcium to bump up the base saturation of calcium? Is it just a matter of adding more of one element t to get a proper ratio, or do some cations have stronger charges and don't get bumped off?
Should I make a humid acid/ewc foliar for the moment and topdress ewc?
This is so cool.
Should I make a humid acid/ewc foliar for the moment and topdress ewc?
This is so cool.
plantingplants
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Thanks milkyjoe.
Avenger, thanks, that's interesting since my iron is high. The Mulder chart shows antagonism with zinc, cu, mn, Ca, and P but those don't seem high enough in my soil to displace Fe? Any idea? Hm there's no iron in micropak.
Avenger, thanks, that's interesting since my iron is high. The Mulder chart shows antagonism with zinc, cu, mn, Ca, and P but those don't seem high enough in my soil to displace Fe? Any idea? Hm there's no iron in micropak.
plantingplants
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Aha ok. I guess I was thinking my P wasn't high enough to do that but it's over 200% of target.
Do you have any suggestion of what form of iron to add to micropak? I wonder why it's not in there. Could be some reaction? I can spray it separate if needed.
Wouldn't there be antagonisms between minerals that are taken up by the same route when foliar fed? Or is the plant able to just take what it wants?
Do you have any suggestion of what form of iron to add to micropak? I wonder why it's not in there. Could be some reaction? I can spray it separate if needed.
Wouldn't there be antagonisms between minerals that are taken up by the same route when foliar fed? Or is the plant able to just take what it wants?
I said iron based soley on the pic of the plants.
So it could just be the lighting playing tricks on my eyes, but it appears to be interveinal chlorosis of the newest growth along with minor twisting. This is typical of iron deficiency in my experience.
Iron defeciency is often not directly related to a lack of elemental iron in the substrate. Frequently it is caused by high substrate pH or over watering(soggy roots). As milkyjoe said, at higher pH (>6.5) iron will combine with phosphorus in the substrate and become unavailable to the plants.
If I was in your position, I would try to get a current reading of the substrate pH, adjust my watering frequency and foliar with Biomin Iron or some similar product. If it is Iron, there should be a noticeable/visual response from the foliar, with in short order.
So it could just be the lighting playing tricks on my eyes, but it appears to be interveinal chlorosis of the newest growth along with minor twisting. This is typical of iron deficiency in my experience.
Iron defeciency is often not directly related to a lack of elemental iron in the substrate. Frequently it is caused by high substrate pH or over watering(soggy roots). As milkyjoe said, at higher pH (>6.5) iron will combine with phosphorus in the substrate and become unavailable to the plants.
If I was in your position, I would try to get a current reading of the substrate pH, adjust my watering frequency and foliar with Biomin Iron or some similar product. If it is Iron, there should be a noticeable/visual response from the foliar, with in short order.
FoothillFarming
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The PPD helps drive the microbes in the soil. If you use a combination of Albion the day before a healthy foliar including Sea Sield or PPD it will greatly help wake up the microbes that are dearly needed to start cycling your soil.
The EWC will help aid that development of microbes as well. An ACT would be even better.
Lots of people being concerned with nutrient deficiencies before their soil has enough micro life to accurately describe what deficiencies they are experiencing. Just get that soil alive, once that happens, then work on deficiencies. IMO.
The EWC will help aid that development of microbes as well. An ACT would be even better.
Lots of people being concerned with nutrient deficiencies before their soil has enough micro life to accurately describe what deficiencies they are experiencing. Just get that soil alive, once that happens, then work on deficiencies. IMO.
plantingplants
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Avenger, it's the lighting. What looks like interveinal chlorosis is actually heavy wrinkling and the shadows in the valleys of the wrinkles.
The main symptoms are wrinkled and twisted chlorotic new growth.
The main symptoms are wrinkled and twisted chlorotic new growth.
plantingplants
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So here's soil test results from shcrews on the same mix after a full season run. Looks good right? He is looking for amendment advice in his thread if anyone wants to help him out. Does this test shed any light on this fresh mix? Looks like maybe the oyster shell takes a while to pop up. Maybe I shouldn't add ca carbonate.
plantingplants
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Lol you're on it, milkyjoe. Thanks!
plantingplants
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Assuming shcrews soil was similar to mine when it was fresh, what does it mean that he only used water and didn't have any problems?
plantingplants
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So micronutrient deficiencies, if not drastic, can just manifest as lowered pest and disease resistance? I believe Shcrews got PM end of season.
Do you know of solid research I could read on that? I'm curious why bugs like healthy plants less.
Do you know of solid research I could read on that? I'm curious why bugs like healthy plants less.
start here...http://blog.nutri-tech.com.au/
Naturally like humans they have evolved to eat the worst garbage available. Especially if a plant has high brix, those bugs say no thanks! No healthy eating for me. I don't want the best when I can have worst.
Its the same thing with Grizzlies if you watch them at fall fishing, they prefer the slimey rotting dead fish on the shore to going into the stream to catch the healthy fish - Not
This line of reasoning is right up there with ACT kills weeds and if you pour kool aid on the roots before harvest then your flowers will be flavored. Yes, let's see that solid research.
